Skyscraper
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 | | 08/24/2007 7:44 AM |
| Yes, it is on EnWorld'f first page. James Wyatt is describing a 4E game where he's playing a paladin.
I'll post the entire stuff in another thread, it's worth the read IMO.
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PaSquall
Underboss
1392 Posts
| | 08/24/2007 7:44 AM |
| Posted By Skyscraper on 08/23/2007 3:16 PM It appears like it will be 8 core classes according to the most recent news. Fighter, rogue, cleric, wizard are the 4 class confirmed. 4 spots left, take a pick 
I'm pretty sure I read that the gnome is disappearing too.
I'm gonna dig into ENWorld again...
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nyjastul69
Commander
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Rhode Island
| | 08/24/2007 7:48 AM |
| | I just found that info on ENWorld. I haven't read it all yet, but it looks interesting. | |
You know, I keep thinking that after the new design team gets done with D&D 4e, D&D won't stand for Dungeons and Dragons anymore, because well, that's just not fun. It's old and stuffy. - Originally Posted by BabWryter on Kenzerco.com | |
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Teflon Jeff
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| | 08/24/2007 12:17 PM |
| well, the 4E playtest has a paladin, so that's a pretty good indicator.
Notice it also was Chaos Gnome. They probably don't have subraces statted out yet.
but yeah, i still wouldn't hold my breath on Gnomes making it. they seem rather reduntant, they need to differentiate them from Halflings better. Now Kobolds, that's differentiation!
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Skyscraper
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Montreal
| | 08/24/2007 12:40 PM |
| | Maybe they'll put dog snouts on the gnomes. | |
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| | 08/24/2007 1:58 PM |
| Posted By Skyscraper on 08/24/2007 12:40 PM
Maybe they'll put dog snouts on the gnomes.
Or Dragon horns on dogs?
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IronHammer
Skirmisher
16 Posts
Kentucky
| | 08/29/2007 10:39 AM |
| | Im an old player..I played from basic, to 1ed, to 2ed now on to 3ed...Heck Im still new to 3.5...Personally I think its a bit early for 4th..I also started played MTG in and around Beta...Up until about 4ed thru a few expansions it was flowing pretty good then WOTC started blasting out expansions and sets way,way to fast and i lost interest..Ill never lose interest in D&D..Played it to long..Ill still buy 4th as Ive bought everything else but I just think its a bit soon. | |
I remember playing Elves and Dwarves as a character class.. | |
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Skyscraper
Sergeant
659 Posts
Montreal
| | 08/29/2007 10:57 AM |
| Posted By IronHammer on 08/29/2007 10:39 AM
Im an old player.. [snip]..Ill never lose interest in D&D.. [...]Â
When i was a young boy i swore i'd never marry a girl. Look at me now
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Ghendar
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| | 08/29/2007 10:58 AM |
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Corim Danex
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West Valley City, Utah
| | 08/29/2007 12:04 PM |
| Posted By Skyscraper on 08/20/2007 10:47 AM
Does a new game detract the player base from the old or does it reduce the quantity of published material of the old? Yes, but that's another matter. People get worked up simply because 4E is being announced and they don't feel it is needed, as you say. Why? I'll risk an explanation: it's because it touches on an aura that surrounds a mystical entity that D&D is for some people. That's also why i posted here, to provide my opinion on this: D&D is a great game, but it's just a game, let's not elevate it to a para-religious level where it can't be touched or modified.
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6567 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 08/29/2007 12:16 PM |
| | I wouldn't mind the bard disappearing from the core books. Nobody in my groups ever plays bards. | |
"Look to God and live." Alma 37:47
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Champion of Something, I imagine I will think of something
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Skyscraper
Sergeant
659 Posts
Montreal
| | 08/29/2007 1:12 PM |
| Well, I am aware of several people who have said that they would love to play D&D if they lived by a group. If I were in such an area where it was difficult to find a group of 5 (4 players plus DM) and I had spent the money I have spent on 3.5 and had no interest in 4th edition, what would I do if two people quit 3.5 and bought the 4.0 books? This would end my D&D experience for a while. This is hardly a small issue.
I sympathize with the lone 3.5 player who finds himself in the situation where the only group of D&D in the area switches to another edition, but really this is probably a relatively rare exception. Still, assuming that it occurs here and there, when a group decides to play something else i believe that the lone player should rally with the group instead of going away. From my standpoint, the group and friendship outweigh one player's personal game preferences.
And all this is supposing a group that won't accept that this 3.5 player propose a second game in 3.5 in addition to a first game in 4.0.
As for spending zillions of dollars on books and other accessories, i figure that those who did that would not have stopped doing that in the next years and would have been stuck with even greater amounts of material when 4E came out if it came out in 2010 or in 2015. I feel that the problem here is not 4E but buying so many books myself.
Still, i see that it can be frustrating. I have bought a lot of minis and would not like for the new edition to not support them (RPG-wise). However, i feel that all i've bought up to now has been used to the extent that i want it used, and consequently i got my money's worth out of it. The thinking of "i'll buy year's worth of products to ensure that i never lack any" is not a profitable way to go, management-wise, either in a company or personally, in my opinion.
Your final comment actually hits my main point right on the head, so to speak The gist of my intervention here was to say: in the end, yes, this is a small issue. It's just a game. It's just a hobby. There's life going on around us, there are your friends and your family for whom you care and that care for you, there is war, there are people suffering in a city near you for lack of having enough money to eat, there are people doing wonderful things for others. Having a game change from edition 3.5 to 4.0 is a small issue, and i don't think it is reasonable to get into a fit over it. I understand that it can be an annoyance for many, it's the intensity of the initial reaction that i believe is out of proportion.
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Teflon Jeff
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Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/29/2007 1:49 PM |
| Posted By Corim Danex on 08/29/2007 12:16 PM
I wouldn't mind the bard disappearing from the core books. Nobody in my groups ever plays bards.
...and that's the way it's meant to be, lad. Tis for the best. 
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Ghendar
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| | 08/30/2007 4:16 AM |
| Posted By Skyscraper on 08/29/2007 1:12 PM Your final comment actually hits my main point right on the head, so to speak  The gist of my intervention here was to say: in the end, yes, this is a small issue. It's just a game. It's just a hobby. There's life going on around us, there are your friends and your family for whom you care and that care for you, there is war, there are people suffering in a city near you for lack of having enough money to eat, there are people doing wonderful things for others. Having a game change from edition 3.5 to 4.0 is a small issue, and i don't think it is reasonable to get into a fit over it. I understand that it can be an annoyance for many, it's the intensity of the initial reaction that i believe is out of proportion. Sky
People like to use this argument to justify and rationalize telling others to chill out. Doesn't anything in life related to your recreation or entertainment anger you, or annoy you at times? Favorite sports team losing the championship? Favorite TV show canceled? etc
When a favorite product of mine is discontinued, I get upset.
Are those things as important as the homeless folks wandering the streets, or the single mother who can't make rent, or the child with terminal cancer, or the father of four just killed in Iraq? I have yet to meet anyone in life who doesn't get upset at things that could be seen as trivial when compared to these "more imortant things in life"
I say, let them vent. Eventually things will calm down. In the meantime, none of us are obligated to read any post by anyone. Ignore what you want. | |
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Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 08/30/2007 6:46 AM |
| Posted By Corim Danex on 08/29/2007 12:16 PM
I wouldn't mind the bard disappearing from the core books. Nobody in my groups ever plays bards.
My friend Dave plays a bard sometimes. He knows the class abilities and is a pretty effective support character. More than that he roleplays it - including writing a song or poem each session about the session before.
Other than that I've never seen someone play a bard. | |
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Ghendar
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| | 08/30/2007 6:52 AM |
| | Bards are fantastic as a support 5th PC. I've seen them have dramatic effect in combat situations | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3437 Posts
West Virginia
| | 08/30/2007 8:33 AM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 08/30/2007 6:52 AM
Bards are fantastic as a support 5th PC. I've seen them have dramatic effect in combat situations
I've yet to get a chance to play one in 3.x, but played a few in 2e to great effect and hopefully, someday I'll get to be a PC again and play one. | |
Hey Woman, Hey Woman!! Listen here. Since your ol' man ain't got no heart, maybe you'd like to see a real man. I bet you stay up late every night dreamin' you had a real man, don't ya'? I tell you what, bring your pretty little self over to my apartment tonight and I'll show you a real man!
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Skyscraper
Sergeant
659 Posts
Montreal
| | 08/30/2007 8:38 AM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 08/30/2007 4:16 AM
People like to use this argument to justify and rationalize telling others to chill out. Doesn't anything in life related to your recreation or entertainment anger you, or annoy you at times? Favorite sports team losing the championship? Favorite TV show canceled? etc
When a favorite product of mine is discontinued, I get upset.
Are those things as important as the homeless folks wandering the streets, or the single mother who can't make rent, or the child with terminal cancer, or the father of four just killed in Iraq? I have yet to meet anyone in life who doesn't get upset at things that could be seen as trivial when compared to these "more imortant things in life"
I say, let them vent. Eventually things will calm down. In the meantime, none of us are obligated to read any post by anyone. Ignore what you want.
'tis a good point.
To answer your question, i try not to get upset on the basis of a trivial matter including sports team loosing and all. And it works relatively well. I used to be more... volatile. Sports team lost? Some of my friends got an earful. And so on. I wasn't an extreme rage type, mind you. Just too much for my present taste anyway.
Gradually i realized how unpleasant that was for others, and for me even moreso. Many things led to that, for example a friend of mine who was way worse than i was as far as watching sports was concerned, he took out his anger and it affected all of us who watched the game with him. It got to the point where i told him: dude, chill out or else we'll just watch the damn games separately.
This and other things led to a personal years-long evaluation of my psyche and what was indeed worth getting all worked up for, and what wasn't. And how negative reactions influence your entourage, and vice versa. And how your own negative reactions impact on your life.
So... is it natural to react intensely when something like this occurs? I think it is. However, i think it is not desirable. The negative energy that stems from within when we react thusly is baneful for ourselves primarily, and for others too. I find myself enjoying a lot of things a lot more in the last few years, then i used to 10 or 15 years ago.
Do i still react too intensely sometimes? Yes. Do i think myself above this? No. Why am i saying all this to a bunch of strangers? Heh, who knows Many of you leave me with a favorable impression, for what that means on online boards. I believe in sharing what i think, and evolving if possible with the help of interactions with others. And perhaps in rare occurances my own interventions might help others, who knows? I do not hold the truth, not anymore than i believe a single person does. But talking it out might help, sometimes.
So although your point about letting people vent their anger is relevant, and i have nothing against that particular course of action, i also believe that sometimes it is good to share what we think and in the present instance, i think that we have to remain grounded on this particular topic and not let our emotions go up into a boiling point. Not for this. I'll stop insisting though and of course let people be the judge by themselves of what is good or not for themselves.
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IronHammer
Skirmisher
16 Posts
Kentucky
| | 08/30/2007 9:29 AM |
| Posted By Skyscraper on 08/29/2007 10:57 AM Posted By IronHammer on 08/29/2007 10:39 AM
Im an old player.. [snip]..Ill never lose interest in D&D.. [...]Â
When i was a young boy i swore i'd never marry a girl. Look at me now Sky
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Yea, my wife puts up with a huge bookshelf full of D&D stuff clogging up the hallway and source books laying on the back of the toilet...LOL | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6519 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/30/2007 10:54 AM |
| I guess bards are more personal. I've run one, he was fun, but not very effective. Of course, it was a three man party. That may have made a difference.
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