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Wraithborne
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09/04/2007 9:39 AM
So, I just saw this on enworld and even with all I'd heard, it blew me away. Greed knows no bounds, apparently. So, how much will a digital booster cost you? Here's the Quote: Q: How will additional miniatures be available on the virtual game table? Answer We are still looking and defining the exact details of how digital miniatures will be available for the game table, and we will provide the relevant information in due time through the dndinsider.com articles. Getting miniatures for the online game table from randomized boosters is certainly envisioned, even if that may not be the only way to get them.

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09/04/2007 9:43 AM
This. Sucks.

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09/04/2007 9:44 AM
Didn't they do something similar with Magic online? I seem to remember one PC product that allowed you to purchase addiitonal electronic boosters.

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09/04/2007 9:46 AM
Well, I'm thinking a Savage Beating would be a fair exechange. Wotc did this with Magic a while back didn;t they? Online virtual cards that you had to shell out $ for?

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PaSquall
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09/04/2007 10:09 AM
Nothing new here. Basically the same as some MMORPGs or similar games/simulators : pay real money to get digital in-game add-ons. There's a game where you can buy digital clothes, glasses and what not (don't remember the name)... And the worst is that SOME PEOPLE WILL PAY FOR THESE.

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09/04/2007 10:53 AM
Any possibility of that quote being misunderstood? They could mean, maybe, scanning in codes from your physical randomized boosters off of the cards or something... Ok, that's far fetched. This sucks. I wouldn't expect anything less from ppl who brought about MtG online - that was the biggest rip off I had ever experienced.

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09/04/2007 11:56 AM
this is getting to be insane. i can hear someone in corporate headquarters right now giving us a Mr Burns "excellent"

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zenthrus
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09/04/2007 1:43 PM
Magic Online works just that way. Pay full retail for a random booster and all you get is a bunch of 0s and 1s. If they follow the MTGO format, however, you'll be able to redeem complete sets of digital objects for a sealed, complete set of physical objects (i.e. if you digitally acquire all of the miniatures in, say, Dungeon of Dread, you could click Redeem and WotC would ship you a physical set of the minis). WotC also likes to release non-redeemable sets (anything out-of-print more than 4 years, the upcoming Masters set, etc.) where all you get is the 0s and 1s. I'd rather buy the physical content in the first place, though.

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09/04/2007 2:33 PM
Whatever. They like losing respect I guess. I guess it shouldn't matter much to me since I won't be spending a penny for a virtual mini. So, if I get this right, you can spend a monthly fee to access the virtual DM thing. And you still don't have minis to populate your dungeons with--even if you have a few thousand at home to use for tabletop games. Sounds like they are trying to write a book on How to Win Customers and Influence People. I don't know what bothers me more--knowing they are going to sell digital minis or that there will be people who post in this thread to defend the idea.

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gss_000
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09/04/2007 2:45 PM
Posted By Corim Danex on 09/04/2007 2:33 PM I don't know what bothers me more--knowing they are going to sell digital minis or that there will be people who post in this thread to defend the idea. And here I thought these forums were open to opinions. Comments like these, whether I agree or not with you, make me want to leave these forums.

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GuJiaXian
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09/04/2007 2:47 PM
I'm not defending the idea...I'm trying to dispel misconceptions. The Virtual DM thing comes with "virtual" minis. The question that is being debated is how to expand that initial selection, not how to distribute the "virtual minis" in the first place.

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09/04/2007 2:52 PM
Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:45 PM Posted By Corim Danex on 09/04/2007 2:33 PM I don't know what bothers me more--knowing they are going to sell digital minis or that there will be people who post in this thread to defend the idea. And here I thought these forums were open to opinions. Comments like these, whether I agree or not with you, make me want to leave these forums. Two words. Thick skin. Repeat them with me, thick skin, thick skin, thick skin. I highly doubt it was Corim's intention to stifle opinion, only that he is annoyed by some opinions. I know where he's coming from but don't let me, Corim, or anyone else stop you from voicing your opinion.

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09/04/2007 4:01 PM
Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:45 PM Posted By Corim Danex on 09/04/2007 2:33 PM I don't know what bothers me more--knowing they are going to sell digital minis or that there will be people who post in this thread to defend the idea. And here I thought these forums were open to opinions. Comments like these, whether I agree or not with you, make me want to leave these forums. I was not intending to stifle opinions. I apologize if I offended you. I believe that the forums should be open to opinions being shared. I have felt several times recently that some people have tried to stifle opinions not favorable to 4.0 coming out. I am just fine with the idea that some people will like 4.0 and be open to it. What I haven't liked is when those people have tried to tell people opposed to 4.0 that they shouldn't be against it. I have seen several people express opinions either way--but both sides should be allowed to be expressed. I understand your comment about wanting to leave the forums if they were not open to various expressions of opinions about D&D. I have felt the same thing off and on recently. In fact, there have been several factors over the past couple of years that have made me consider if I wanted to stick around or not. The things that have kept me here are: simple momentum/habit when I get bored, I find myself logging on the chance to trade where I have already established myself there are good interactions with fun people too I love D&D and this is still one of the best places I find to discuss it By the way, gss_000, I have considered you a very good contributor for some time, so please don't take my quickly written comment personally.

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09/04/2007 5:11 PM
Posted By Corim Danex on 09/04/2007 2:33 PM I don't know what bothers me more--knowing they are going to sell digital minis or that there will be people who post in this thread to defend the idea. I've defended most of what I've heard about 4E (not thrilled with them changing the fluff though), but if they try to sell virtual mini's I won't be able to defend it.

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zenthrus
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09/04/2007 5:13 PM
Posted By Corim Danex on 09/04/2007 2:33 PM I don't know what bothers me more--knowing they are going to sell digital minis or that there will be people who post in this thread to defend the idea. Odd, I don't see a post in this particular thread defending the idea...

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Bert the Troll
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09/04/2007 6:14 PM
Ugghh. Not really a big surprise though.

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yack
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09/04/2007 7:02 PM
Excellent just one more reason to dislike the direction they are taking to ruin my game.

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09/05/2007 3:45 AM
Posted By Bert the Troll on 09/04/2007 6:14 PM Ugghh. Not really a big surprise though. No, it really shouldn't surprise anyone.

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09/05/2007 5:51 AM
I can think of two ways I'd be interested in digital minis. 1) If, when I buy a booster, I get to go to a website and enter some code and that buys me "points," that I can then use to buy virtual boosters. That way, every case I buy, every booster I win, gets me some virtual ones. 2) If, somehow, having access to the virtual boosters dramatically improves my competitive play. And, even then, the ratio of dramatic improvement to cost will have to be so wildly in my favor that I doubt they could afford to do it (for example, hundreds of minis per dollar). I will, of course, wait and see what does actually get offered to me. But, if someone simply says, in effect, "Do you want to pay money to get virtual minis?" my answer will be "Not unless the minis are costing me something like a penny each." Dave

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09/05/2007 7:19 AM
The only way this gets massively accepted is if they do it exactly like MTGO. They would have to provide DDM play options (oh wait, vassal is free) So, no, they really can't make this work very well. Only if the boosters are ridiculously cheap (a quarter a piece or something like that) Personally, I think it should be done as follows: When you buy a real pack of DDM, there will be 9 cards (not counting epics): the 8 stat cards, and a 9th code card. They have two options from here: 1. The code card gives you the same 8 digital minis as the booster. 2. Th code card gives you 8 randomized minis in digital form as well. This gives you the sensation of "opening" a second booster. I'm not sure if the 2nd idea woud work, but it's a feasible option. But if they charge large amounts for digital minis, it will kill the digital initiative. No one will use it, because it's too expensive. One other idea that came to me just now. What if part of your subscription fee meant you got one booster, of a set of your choice, per week?

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09/05/2007 7:31 AM
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/05/2007 7:19 AM 1. The code card gives you the same 8 digital minis as the booster. This would likely lead to a secondary market of people trying to sell/trade the codes for good minis.

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09/05/2007 8:06 AM
Posted By Wraithborne on 09/05/2007 7:31 AM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/05/2007 7:19 AM 1. The code card gives you the same 8 digital minis as the booster. This would likely lead to a secondary market of people trying to sell/trade the codes for good minis. I think that even if there were a code with 8 randomized minis (like a 2nd booster of randomized contents), there would be a secondary market for the codes. They would need to have a scratch off code so that you could tell nobody had used the code if it hadn't been scratched off.

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09/05/2007 10:02 AM
Didier Monin, WotC employee, speaks out on this very issue: "I think that you will not find in D&DI anything different than the experience you describe at your game table. "You do not get the miniature out of the Monster Manual book, and if you have some miniatures, you can always use a similar one for a monster you do not have the miniature off. "The V-miniatures are just 3D representation on the D&D game table. They are not always linked to preloaded stats (even if they can have default stats much like the DDM miniature come with a default stat card) "So, when playing through the D&D game table online, you will be able to use your V-mini collection the way you want to. If you decide to not use V-Miniatures, there will be ways to represent the monsters you will be using that will be included in your subscription package."

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09/05/2007 4:11 PM
I think I recall that there will be token type stuff for those who dont want to but Virtual minis. I wonder though, if players can combine colections with DM. Or if you can only use what your DM for the session has purchased. I also guess/speculate that they (WoTC legal dept.) will come down on vassall for copyright infringement once we hit DDM II.

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09/07/2007 8:47 AM
I get the impression that the whole thing is being sorted out. It would be strange if they at least didn't consider the MtGO model. Even though I don't like that model. I didn't pay retail for real cards, why pay retail for virtual ones? With the subscription to DDI I wonder how they could justify high priced Vminis or even random minis (outside of virtual sealed games). Presumably the subscription more than covers the cost of the servers so what exactly is WOTCs overhead on the vMinis? The cost of having a designer make a skin?

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09/07/2007 4:24 PM
Posted By Bert the Troll on 09/05/2007 4:11 PM I think I recall that there will be token type stuff for those who dont want to but Virtual minis. I wonder though, if players can combine colections with DM. Or if you can only use what your DM for the session has purchased. I also guess/speculate that they (WoTC legal dept.) will come down on vassall for copyright infringement once we hit DDM II. Well, I believe that Vassal is protected under fair use, as it's not a profit based venture... Although I am not a lawyer, so it's just an armchair perspective.

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09/09/2007 6:59 PM
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/07/2007 4:24 PM Posted By Bert the Troll on 09/05/2007 4:11 PM I think I recall that there will be token type stuff for those who dont want to but Virtual minis. I wonder though, if players can combine colections with DM. Or if you can only use what your DM for the session has purchased. I also guess/speculate that they (WoTC legal dept.) will come down on vassall for copyright infringement once we hit DDM II. Well, I believe that Vassal is protected under fair use, as it's not a profit based venture... Although I am not a lawyer, so it's just an armchair perspective. - IANAL as well, but the level of profit doesnt matter, and fair use is often restricted to a sample (~10%) and/or parody. A quick look at the vassal site shows (http://www.vassalengine.org/wiki/doku.php?id=faq_licensing) "The artwork and text of a game fall under copyright protection. The copyright owner has the right to restrict distribution of the artwork/text, including posting on the internet ..... However, if the owner of copyrighted material makes a request, we will remove a module from the web site. " Still, if vassal is competive (marketwise) to DDI, then I think DDI needs to be better. I'm pretty sure that DDI will be smoother and easier to use. Though Vassal at least works on any computer OS.

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09/10/2007 1:01 AM
Posted By Bert the Troll on 09/09/2007 6:59 PM I'm pretty sure that DDI will be smoother and easier to use. Your faith is vast. I remember the previous WotC digital initiative. It was called Master Tools/E-tools. It sucked when it launched, was licensed out to third party (since WotC decided not to formally support it), then snatched back when WotC decided to try their hand at digital initiative again (Fall '06--should have been a stronger indicator that 4e was coming, but it seems most everyone missed that clue). I expect Vassal will end up smoother and easier to use. I also expect that WotC will move to dismantle Vassal just prior to or just as 4th ed. drops. I wouldn't mind being wrong, but I'm not holding my breath, either

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09/10/2007 4:07 AM
It better be smooth or it will fail miserably. In the recent past, Wizards.com has not been the most stable web site.

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09/10/2007 8:10 AM
The last DI I remember was the player character generator that came free with the book. It was third party, and free. It failed cause it wasn't bringing in money and was third party. I don't believe wotc will fall through like this if they're collecting some kind of income and doing it by hand. Afterall, if you want something done right - get money for it. ;)

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09/10/2007 8:48 AM
In general, I am increasingly excited about 4e. I like a lot of what I'm reading. For instance, largely doing away with Vancian spellcasting, balancing the non-spellcasting vs. spellcasting classes better, etc. all appeal to me. I'm also very interested in the virtual gaming table, because I'll be able to re-establish the best gaming group I've ever had even though we're scattered all over the country. However, the notion of paying money for virtual miniatures is beyond the pale and really smacks of greed. We'll see how it plays out, but if things go as was implied (paying money for virtual boosters), then there is zero chance that I'll participate. I'm highly disappointed that they're likey going this route. IMO a all of the virtual minis should just be available as part of the monthly subscription cost. It's not like DDM where the product is tangible and usable for collection, display, skirmish and RPG purposes.� I'm curious what happens if you let your DDI subscription expire for a year and then want to rejoin? Do you lose access to your virual minis?� Are you able to pool V-miniatures among your gaming group or can you only use one person's set (i.e. the DM's) for a particular adventure?� There are still a lot of things that need to be defined.� In any case, if they charge anything beyond the subscription cost for these images, I won't be joining in.

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09/10/2007 8:52 AM
Posted By Lab Monkey on 09/10/2007 8:48 AM There are still a lot of things that need to be defined. Exactly. We really don't know enough to make educated decisions, and most of this thread's content is just rampant speculation. And we all know what happens when we assume...

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09/10/2007 9:14 AM
Posted By Lab Monkey on 09/10/2007 8:48 AM I'm curious what happens if you let your DDI subscription expire for a year and then want to rejoin? Do you lose access to your virual minis?� Are you able to pool V-miniatures among your gaming group or can you only use one person's set (i.e. the DM's) for a particular adventure?� There are still a lot of things that need to be defined.� Apparently trading will be available. But, imagine being able to loan out u'r virtual minis... what if someone forgets to check it back in, will it then be locked so no one else can use it? If you can pool them, you must either have them on "shared" or not, which means if the community shares, then everyone would have access anyways... Virtual boosters is a freakin terrible idea.

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09/10/2007 4:29 PM
Posted By zenthrus on 09/10/2007 1:01 AM Posted By Bert the Troll on 09/09/2007 6:59 PM I'm pretty sure that DDI will be smoother and easier to use. Your faith is vast. - Its more that I feel Vassal isn't a well designed (for mini play) program than because I expect the WoTC one to be wonderful. Its (vassall) isnt really designed for end users, (ie the clueless) where as I think the windows only, and more directly designed for minis, WoTC one will be. Regardless, I wont be buying into it. There is Openrpg which is free as well that interests me more, and has been around for a while (ie time tested). Skype works well enough despite not being dedicated for RPG use, and I have a friend from Brazil who still games with friends via it. I think they need two web cams (one for table with minis) and it is messy as most of the players are in a room together with only two playing remotely. They use teh whiteboard type features for maps, which are better than the way I used to scrawl maps in rl. Heck, I used to do games with IRC chat. Even MS net meeting. All the bells and whistles aren't as good as the game. But then again, playing online only will suit a lot of people. I doubt the WoTC one will ever be good enough for _me_ to pay for it, let alone a monthly fee. But I think it will be adequate.

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