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vanrulzz Underboss
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 | | 02/11/2008 9:18 PM | Alert | Character death is one of the ultimate threats in any RPG, and D&D
is no exception. Besides the obvious, um, “inconveniences” that death
might cause your character and his allies in both the short and long
term—inconveniences which vary based on your level, the current
situation, and of course your attachment to that particular
character—death is a mark of failure. In some hard-to-explain but very
real way, a dead character symbolizes that you just “lost” at D&D. That can prove a bitter pill for many players, and in my experience is even more frustrating than paying for a resurrection.What We HatedEarly in the design process, Rob, James, and I identified a number of ways that we were unsatisified with D&D’s current death and dying rules. For example, we strongly disliked the inability of 3rd Edition D&D’s
negative-hit-point model to deal with combat at higher levels—once the
monsters are reliably dealing 15 or 20 points of damage with each
attack, the chance of a character going straight from “alive and
kicking” to “time to go through his pockets for loose change” was
exceedingly high; effectively, the -1 to -9 “dying” range was
meaningless. Ask any high-level fighter whether he’d prefer the
second-to-last attack from a monster to leave him at 1 hp or -1 hp; I’d
put odds on unconsciousness, and how lame is that? Among other problems, this also meant that characters effectively
had no way to “lose” a combat except by being killed. This removes a
lot of dramatic possibilities for the story—for instance, the classic
scene of the characters being captured and thrown in a cell from which
they have to escape using only their wits and a pack of chewing gum (or
whatever). On top of all that, the game added a complex state of being at
exactly 0 hp, which wasn’t quite like being fully capable but also
wasn’t quite dying. Honestly, though, how often does any character
actually get reduced to exactly 0 hp? Why did the game need a condition
that existed at exactly one spot on the big, broad range of hit point
possibilities? What We WantedWe wanted a death and dying system that added fun and tension at the
table, scaled well to any level of play, and created the threat of PC
mortality (without delivering on that threat as often as 3rd Edition
did). Characters had to feel that death was a possibility in order for
combat to feel meaningful. If it seems impossible to be killed, much of
the tension of combat disappears. However, if the majority of combats
result in death (as is the case for a lot of high-level play in
previous editions), the game is forced to reclassify death as a trivial
obstacle in order to remain playable. 3rd Edition accomplished this
with popular spells such as close wounds, delay death, and revivify—mandatory
staples of any high-level cleric’s arsenal due purely to the
commonality of death. But that removes the tension, and now what’s the
point of death at all? The system also had to be simple to remember and adjudicate at the
table. Being able to keep the rule in your head is important, because
you don’t want to be bogging the game down flipping through a book when
a character is clinging to life by a thread—that should be high-tension
time, not slowdown time! Finally, it had to be believable within the heroic-fantasy milieu of D&D.
(Believability isn’t the same thing as realism—an error which has
ruined more games than I can count.) Put another way, it had to feel
like D&D—one of those tricky “you know it when you see it” things. What We Did About ItBack in 2005, this was obviously a much lower priority than, say,
creating the new model for how classes and races worked, so we put it
on the back burner to simmer. As the months passed, we and other
designers proposed various models that tried to solve the conundrums
set out above, varying from exceedingly abstract to witheringly
simulationist. We playtested every model, from death tracks to life
points, each time learning something different about what worked or
didn’t work. A few times, we even temporarily settled on a solution,
claiming that the playtesters only needed time to get used to our
radical new ideas. Side note to all those would-be game designers out there: When you
hear yourself making that claim, you might be in danger of losing touch
with reality. Sometimes you’re right, and your innovative game design
concept just needs a little time to sink in. (The cycling initiative
system used by 3rd Edition D&D is a good example of that—back in 1999, some very vociferous playtesters were convinced that it would ruin D&D
combat forever. Turned out that wasn’t exactly true.) But every time
you convince yourself that you know better than the people playing your
game, you’re opening the possibility of a very rude (and costly)
awakening. |
Thankfully, our awakening came well before we released the game (or
even before widescale playtesting began, for that matter). Despite some
quite elegant concepts, none of our radical new ideas met all the
criteria necessary, including simplicity, playability, fun, and
believability. The system had to be at least as simple to remember and at least as
easy to play as what already existed. For all their other flaws,
negative hit points are pretty easy to use, and they work well with the
existing hit-point system. It had to be at least as much fun as what already existed, and it
had to be at least as believable as what already existed. In ideal
situations, negative hit points create fun tension at the table, and
they’re reasonably believable, at least within the heroic fantasy
milieu of D&D, where characters are supposed to get the stuffing beaten out of them on a regular basis without serious consequences. Every one of our new ideas failed to meet at least one of those
criteria. Maybe they were playable but too abstract to feel fun or
believable, or they were believable but too complicated to remember.
Nothing worked, and I admit we experienced a couple of freak-out
moments behind closed doors. The Breakthrough Eventually
we got it through our heads that there wasn’t a radical new game
mechanic just waiting to be discovered that would revolutionize the
narrow window between life and death in D&D. What we really
needed to do was just widen the window, reframe it, and maybe put in an
extra pane for insulation. (OK, that analogy went off the tracks, but
its heart was in the right place.)
Characters still use a negative hit point threshold to determine
when they move from “unconscious and dying” to “all-the-way-dead,” but
now that threshold scales with their level (or more specifically, with
their hit point total). A character with 30 hit points (such as a
low-level cleric) dies when he reaches -15 hit points, while the
15th-level fighter with 120 hp isn’t killed until he’s reduced to -60
hit points. That may seem like an unreachable number, but it’s important to
remember that monsters, like characters, aren’t piling on as many
attacks on their turn as in 3rd Edition. At 15th level, that fighter
might face a tough brute capable of dishing out 25 or 30 points of
damage with its best attack… or nearly twice that on a crit. The threat
of “alive-to-negative-everything” on a single hit remains in play, but
it’s much less common than in the previous edition. That puts that bit
of tension back where it belongs. The new system also retains the “unconscious character bleeding out”
concept, but for obvious reasons speeds it along a bit. (There’s not
really any tension watching that 15th-level fighter bleed out at a rate
of 1 hp per round for 30 or 40 rounds.) Thanks to some clever
abstractions, the new system also removes the predictability of the
current death timer. (“OK, Regdar’s at -2 hp, so we have 8 rounds to
get to him. Yawn… time for a nap.”) It’s also less costly to bring dying characters back into the fight
now—there’s no “negative hit point tax” that you have to pay out of the
healing delivered by your cure serious wounds prayer. That helps ensure
that a character who was healed from unconsciousness isn’t in an
immediate threat of going right back there (and you’ll never again have
the “I fed Jozan a potion of healing but he’s still at negative hit points” disappointment). Monsters don’t need or use this system unless the DM has special
reason to do so. A monster at 0 hp is dead, and you don’t have to worry
about wandering around the battlefield stabbing all your unconscious
foes. (I’m sure my table isn’t the only place that happens.) We’ve
talked elsewhere about some of the bogus parallelism that can lead to
bad game design—such as all monsters having to follow character
creation rules, even though they’re supposed to be foes to kill, not
player characters—this is just another example of the game escaping
that trap. Sure, a DM can decide for dramatic reasons that a notable
NPC or monster might linger on after being defeated. Maybe a dying
enemy survives to deliver a final warning or curse before expiring, or
at the end of a fight the PCs discover a bloody trail leading away from
where the evil warlock fell, but those will be significant, story-based
exceptions to the norm. Oh, and speaking of zero hit points? You’re unconscious and dying,
just like every new player expects it should be. It’s not as harsh as
the “dead at 0 hp” rule of the original D&D game, but it’s still not a place you want to be for long! Try It Now!If you want to try out a version of this system in your current
game, try the following house rule. It’s not quite the 4th Edition
system, but it should give you an idea of how it’ll feel. 1) At 0 hp or less, you fall unconscious and are dying. Any damage dealt to a dying character is applied normally, and might kill him if it reduces his hit points far enough (see #2). 2) Characters die when their negative hit point total reaches -10
or one-quarter of their full normal hit points, whichever is a larger
value. This is less than a 4th Edition character would have,
but each monster attack is dealing a smaller fraction of the
character’s total hit points, so it should be reasonable. If it feels
too small, increase it to one-third full normal hit points and try
again. 3) If you’re dying at the end of your turn, roll 1d20. Lower than 10: You get worse. If you get this result three times before you are healed or stabilized (as per the Heal skill), you die. 10-19: No change. 20: You get better! You wake up with hit points equal to one-quarter your full normal hit points. 4) If a character with negative hit points receives healing, he returns to 0 hp before any healing is applied. In other words, he’ll wake up again with hit points equal to the healing provided by the effect—a cure light wounds spell for 7 hp will bring any dying character back to 7 hp, no matter what his negative hit point total had reached.) 5) A dying character who’s been stabilized (via the Heal skill)
doesn’t roll a d20 at the end of his turn unless he takes more damage. |
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| yack Commander
 3082 Posts



 Ottawa, Canada
 | | 02/12/2008 5:13 AM | Alert | Not sure how I feel about this it almost seems that it lowers your chance of dying which ruins the game. As whats the point of playing if there is no chance of dying. The rules are ok but it looks like they just added more to the rule. Which more rules = complication. Just my opion. | | Champion of the Peryton Vindicated Champion : Pit Fiend, Devourer ATG: Fog Giant DW: Duergar Priest RPG Only!!!! The Drumming Drunkn' DM | |
| The Great Choco Monster Ghendar Warlord
 10645 Posts



 In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
 | | 02/12/2008 5:18 AM | Alert | THERE'S NO SAVE AGAINST HUGE WALL OF TEXT!!!
A little reformatting please? | | The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner and RPG designer from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute and RPGA certified DM named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and THAC0. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons, D&D every night. In the spring we'd make meat helmets for LARP. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag, forced to walk the walk of a thousand four siders, and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe, which was very handy for D&D. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles for LARP. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.
Spreading the love of the Digitus Impudicus Champion of the Spider Eater with rider. I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
| thekidxii Warrior
 327 Posts



 No Yack. I said.. we need a DM not BM!
 | | 02/12/2008 5:33 AM | Alert | Posted By Ghendar on 02/12/2008 5:18 AM THERE'S NO SAVE AGAINST HUGE WALL OF TEXT!!!
Thank you Ghendar! You've made my morning. I don't know if it's the cold meds. or just the mood I'm in but that was funny as hell. Cheers! -kid | | Champion of the dire hippo. Audi Vide Tace "Nothing matters but the weekend, From a Tuesday point of view" -Diamond & Zero | |
| Keoki Sneak
 90 Posts


 Seattle
 | | 02/12/2008 6:35 AM | Alert | So they've traded a ten-round "countdown to death" for a three-round one. Meh. The basic problem remains. I might house rule it this way:
20: You get better. Wake up and gain 1/4 hp. (5%) 11-19: No change. (45%) 2-10: You get worse. Roll this three times and you're dead. (45%) 1: You die. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. (5%)
This seems easier to remember, as well, since 1 and 20 are already well defined as "good" and "bad" results, while No Change can be remembered as any roll with a 1 in the tens spot. Thoughts? | | | |
| thekidxii Warrior
 327 Posts



 No Yack. I said.. we need a DM not BM!
 | | 02/12/2008 7:42 AM | Alert | yeah dying is a problem... your rule seems a good as the other(s)... question: 2-10 roll, Does that have to be 3 in a row? ..or just 3 times? | | Champion of the dire hippo. Audi Vide Tace "Nothing matters but the weekend, From a Tuesday point of view" -Diamond & Zero | |
| The Great Choco Monster Ghendar Warlord
 10645 Posts



 In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
 | | 02/12/2008 9:02 AM | Alert | There. Isn't this better?
Character death is one of the ultimate threats in any RPG, and D&D is no exception. Besides the obvious, um, “inconveniences” that death might cause your character and his allies in both the short and long term—inconveniences which vary based on your level, the current situation, and of course your attachment to that particular character—death is a mark of failure. In some hard-to-explain but very real way, a dead character symbolizes that you just “lost” at D&D. That can prove a bitter pill for many players, and in my experience is even more frustrating than paying for a resurrection.
What We HatedEarly in the design process, Rob, James, and I identified a number of ways that we were unsatisified with D&D’s current death and dying rules. For example, we strongly disliked the inability of 3rd Edition D&D’s negative-hit-point model to deal with combat at higher levels—once the monsters are reliably dealing 15 or 20 points of damage with each attack, the chance of a character going straight from “alive and kicking” to “time to go through his pockets for loose change” was exceedingly high; effectively, the -1 to -9 “dying” range was meaningless. Ask any high-level fighter whether he’d prefer the second-to-last attack from a monster to leave him at 1 hp or -1 hp; I’d put odds on unconsciousness, and how lame is that?
Among other problems, this also meant that characters effectively had no way to “lose” a combat except by being killed. This removes a lot of dramatic possibilities for the story—for instance, the classic scene of the characters being captured and thrown in a cell from which they have to escape using only their wits and a pack of chewing gum (or whatever).
On top of all that, the game added a complex state of being at exactly 0 hp, which wasn’t quite like being fully capable but also wasn’t quite dying. Honestly, though, how often does any character actually get reduced to exactly 0 hp? Why did the game need a condition that existed at exactly one spot on the big, broad range of hit point possibilities?
What We WantedWe wanted a death and dying system that added fun and tension at the table, scaled well to any level of play, and created the threat of PC mortality (without delivering on that threat as often as 3rd Edition did).
Characters had to feel that death was a possibility in order for combat to feel meaningful. If it seems impossible to be killed, much of the tension of combat disappears. However, if the majority of combats result in death (as is the case for a lot of high-level play in previous editions), the game is forced to reclassify death as a trivial obstacle in order to remain playable. 3rd Edition accomplished this with popular spells such as close wounds, delay death, and revivify—mandatory staples of any high-level cleric’s arsenal due purely to the commonality of death. But that removes the tension, and now what’s the point of death at all?
The system also had to be simple to remember and adjudicate at the table. Being able to keep the rule in your head is important, because you don’t want to be bogging the game down flipping through a book when a character is clinging to life by a thread—that should be high-tension time, not slowdown time!
Finally, it had to be believable within the heroic-fantasy milieu of D&D. (Believability isn’t the same thing as realism—an error which has ruined more games than I can count.) Put another way, it had to feel like D&D—one of those tricky “you know it when you see it” things.
What We Did About It Back in 2005, this was obviously a much lower priority than, say, creating the new model for how classes and races worked, so we put it on the back burner to simmer. As the months passed, we and other designers proposed various models that tried to solve the conundrums set out above, varying from exceedingly abstract to witheringly simulationist. We playtested every model, from death tracks to life points, each time learning something different about what worked or didn’t work. A few times, we even temporarily settled on a solution, claiming that the playtesters only needed time to get used to our radical new ideas.
Side note to all those would-be game designers out there: When you hear yourself making that claim, you might be in danger of losing touch with reality. Sometimes you’re right, and your innovative game design concept just needs a little time to sink in. (The cycling initiative system used by 3rd Edition D&D is a good example of that—back in 1999, some very vociferous playtesters were convinced that it would ruin D&D combat forever. Turned out that wasn’t exactly true.) But every time you convince yourself that you know better than the people playing your game, you’re opening the possibility of a very rude (and costly) awakening. |
Thankfully, our awakening came well before we released the game (or even before widescale playtesting began, for that matter). Despite some quite elegant concepts, none of our radical new ideas met all the criteria necessary, including simplicity, playability, fun, and believability.
The system had to be at least as simple to remember and at least as easy to play as what already existed. For all their other flaws, negative hit points are pretty easy to use, and they work well with the existing hit-point system.
It had to be at least as much fun as what already existed, and it had to be at least as believable as what already existed. In ideal situations, negative hit points create fun tension at the table, and they’re reasonably believable, at least within the heroic fantasy milieu of D&D, where characters are supposed to get the stuffing beaten out of them on a regular basis without serious consequences.
Every one of our new ideas failed to meet at least one of those criteria. Maybe they were playable but too abstract to feel fun or believable, or they were believable but too complicated to remember. Nothing worked, and I admit we experienced a couple of freak-out moments behind closed doors.
The Breakthrough Eventually we got it through our heads that there wasn’t a radical new game mechanic just waiting to be discovered that would revolutionize the narrow window between life and death in D&D. What we really needed to do was just widen the window, reframe it, and maybe put in an extra pane for insulation. (OK, that analogy went off the tracks, but its heart was in the right place.)
Characters still use a negative hit point threshold to determine when they move from “unconscious and dying” to “all-the-way-dead,” but now that threshold scales with their level (or more specifically, with their hit point total). A character with 30 hit points (such as a low-level cleric) dies when he reaches -15 hit points, while the 15th-level fighter with 120 hp isn’t killed until he’s reduced to -60 hit points.
That may seem like an unreachable number, but it’s important to remember that monsters, like characters, aren’t piling on as many attacks on their turn as in 3rd Edition. At 15th level, that fighter might face a tough brute capable of dishing out 25 or 30 points of damage with its best attack… or nearly twice that on a crit. The threat of “alive-to-negative-everything” on a single hit remains in play, but it’s much less common than in the previous edition. That puts that bit of tension back where it belongs.
The new system also retains the “unconscious character bleeding out” concept, but for obvious reasons speeds it along a bit. (There’s not really any tension watching that 15th-level fighter bleed out at a rate of 1 hp per round for 30 or 40 rounds.) Thanks to some clever abstractions, the new system also removes the predictability of the current death timer. (“OK, Regdar’s at -2 hp, so we have 8 rounds to get to him. Yawn… time for a nap.”)
It’s also less costly to bring dying characters back into the fight now—there’s no “negative hit point tax” that you have to pay out of the healing delivered by your cure serious wounds prayer. That helps ensure that a character who was healed from unconsciousness isn’t in an immediate threat of going right back there (and you’ll never again have the “I fed Jozan a potion of healing but he’s still at negative hit points” disappointment).
Monsters don’t need or use this system unless the DM has special reason to do so. A monster at 0 hp is dead, and you don’t have to worry about wandering around the battlefield stabbing all your unconscious foes. (I’m sure my table isn’t the only place that happens.) We’ve talked elsewhere about some of the bogus parallelism that can lead to bad game design—such as all monsters having to follow character creation rules, even though they’re supposed to be foes to kill, not player characters—this is just another example of the game escaping that trap. Sure, a DM can decide for dramatic reasons that a notable NPC or monster might linger on after being defeated. Maybe a dying enemy survives to deliver a final warning or curse before expiring, or at the end of a fight the PCs discover a bloody trail leading away from where the evil warlock fell, but those will be significant, story-based exceptions to the norm.
Oh, and speaking of zero hit points? You’re unconscious and dying, just like every new player expects it should be. It’s not as harsh as the “dead at 0 hp” rule of the original D&D game, but it’s still not a place you want to be for long!
Try It Now!If you want to try out a version of this system in your current game, try the following house rule. It’s not quite the 4th Edition system, but it should give you an idea of how it’ll feel.
1) At 0 hp or less, you fall unconscious and are dying. Any damage dealt to a dying character is applied normally, and might kill him if it reduces his hit points far enough (see #2).
2) Characters die when their negative hit point total reaches -10 or one-quarter of their full normal hit points, whichever is a larger value. This is less than a 4th Edition character would have, but each monster attack is dealing a smaller fraction of the character’s total hit points, so it should be reasonable. If it feels too small, increase it to one-third full normal hit points and try again.
3) If you’re dying at the end of your turn, roll 1d20. Lower than 10: You get worse. If you get this result three times before you are healed or stabilized (as per the Heal skill), you die. 10-19: No change. 20: You get better! You wake up with hit points equal to one-quarter your full normal hit points.
4) If a character with negative hit points receives healing, he returns to 0 hp before any healing is applied. In other words, he’ll wake up again with hit points equal to the healing provided by the effect—a cure light wounds spell for 7 hp will bring any dying character back to 7 hp, no matter what his negative hit point total had reached.)
5) A dying character who’s been stabilized (via the Heal skill) doesn’t roll a d20 at the end of his turn unless he takes more damage.
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| | The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner and RPG designer from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute and RPGA certified DM named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and THAC0. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons, D&D every night. In the spring we'd make meat helmets for LARP. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag, forced to walk the walk of a thousand four siders, and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe, which was very handy for D&D. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles for LARP. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.
Spreading the love of the Digitus Impudicus Champion of the Spider Eater with rider. I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
| vanrulzz Underboss
 2159 Posts



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 | | 02/12/2008 9:10 AM | Alert | | yes it is better, ikm srry for the bad formatting | | TENTACLES!!!!! STRANGE TEMPLES!!!! FREE PIE!!!! IM CRZY KEWL!!!! | |
| The Great Choco Monster Ghendar Warlord
 10645 Posts



 In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
 | | 02/12/2008 11:49 AM | Alert | s'okay. 
I will have to take your pie though. | | The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner and RPG designer from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute and RPGA certified DM named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and THAC0. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons, D&D every night. In the spring we'd make meat helmets for LARP. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag, forced to walk the walk of a thousand four siders, and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe, which was very handy for D&D. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles for LARP. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.
Spreading the love of the Digitus Impudicus Champion of the Spider Eater with rider. I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
| berus316 Sergeant
 602 Posts



 Markham, Ontario Canada
 | | 02/12/2008 11:55 AM | Alert | I like the changes well enough. I really like getting rid of the count down to death. It breaks the illusion of reality.
Not sure how I feel about the 3 rolls of doom but hey... give it a shot, how bad could it be? | | Champion of the Aspect of Gruumsh Nemesis of Gnomes and Warforged
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| Master of the Awesome Sauce Teflon Jeff Warlord
 5329 Posts



 Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
 | | 02/12/2008 4:08 PM | Alert | Posted By Ghendar on 02/12/2008 11:49 AM s'okay.  I will have to take your pie though.
I'm sure he'll be okay with it, it's why it's free.
| | Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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| vanrulzz Underboss
 2159 Posts



 ¯\(°_o)/¯
 | | 02/13/2008 5:04 PM | Alert | Posted By Teflon Jeff on 02/12/2008 4:08 PM Posted By Ghendar on 02/12/2008 11:49 AM s'okay.  I will have to take your pie though. I'm sure he'll be okay with it, it's why it's free. teflon is correct
| | TENTACLES!!!!! STRANGE TEMPLES!!!! FREE PIE!!!! IM CRZY KEWL!!!! | |
| The Great Choco Monster Ghendar Warlord
 10645 Posts



 In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
 | | 02/14/2008 10:57 AM | Alert | It may be free but it's all mine. NO PIE FOR YOU!!!
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| The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner and RPG designer from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute and RPGA certified DM named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and THAC0. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons, D&D every night. In the spring we'd make meat helmets for LARP. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag, forced to walk the walk of a thousand four siders, and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe, which was very handy for D&D. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles for LARP. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.
Spreading the love of the Digitus Impudicus Champion of the Spider Eater with rider. I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
| Master of the Awesome Sauce Teflon Jeff Warlord
 5329 Posts



 Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
 | | 02/15/2008 4:43 PM | Alert | The Pie is a lie.
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| The Great Choco Monster Ghendar Warlord
 10645 Posts



 In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
 | | 02/16/2008 9:14 AM | Alert | | Has pie been lying to you again? Is it telling you its apple when it's really blueberry? I'd be mighty pissed if that were the case. | | The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner and RPG designer from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute and RPGA certified DM named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and THAC0. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons, D&D every night. In the spring we'd make meat helmets for LARP. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag, forced to walk the walk of a thousand four siders, and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe, which was very handy for D&D. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles for LARP. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.
Spreading the love of the Digitus Impudicus Champion of the Spider Eater with rider. I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
| Duke of Spoils greyhaze Warlord
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 | | Knight of the Round Table Thenameless Warlord
 7965 Posts



 The Fortress of Solitude
 | | 02/17/2008 11:22 AM | Alert | | Our 3.5 campaign has adapted both this, and the rules on being "bloodied". We like them both very much. | | Over 270 successful online DDM trades. | |
|  zenthrus Commander
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 SLC, UT
 | | 02/17/2008 3:55 PM | Alert | I'm still waiting for the save-game feature to be implemented  | | Knight Warlord a.k.a. Commander (#32) in only 6 months. Where's my pie? Champion of Dwarven Thunderlashers Knight of the Large Dire Chicken Have/Want List Trade References | |
| Shottglazz Sergeant
 827 Posts



 Quinte West, Ontario, Canada
 | | 02/19/2008 8:31 AM | Alert | Posted By zenthrus on 02/17/2008 3:55 PM I'm still waiting for the save-game feature to be implemented  My funnybone thanks you. My keyboard (recipient of spit-out coffee) does not...
| | Shottglazz "Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand; I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me."
Completed trades ( 40 ): Pikel, Darrell, JeffDHarvey, BiggPappa001, Ghendar, Valinrook X2, Wolfgang x2, Wraithborne x4, Mr Ruffles, Anothermullen, CKissee x3, Browns_Scoundrel, Kyrin, GuJiaXian x2, Tyngfumv, Basic_Aim, Mickey Mouse, Berus316, Crisisman, Zoons, Rockfrd, Sterling40 x2, Brucemc, 2007 Magical Mystery Trade, Redskullz x2, Stephengroy, Lyus_Sleyden, Foolforthought, 2008 Magical Mystery Trade, Kilsek Pending trades ( 1 ): Generic Fighter WotC trades ( 1 ): Red_Deceiver Bad trades ( 2 ): LeftEyeofGruumsh, Yotebeth | |
| The Great Choco Monster Ghendar Warlord
 10645 Posts



 In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
 | | 02/19/2008 9:42 AM | Alert | Posted By greyhaze on 02/16/2008 8:45 PM But, you'd still eat it wouldn't you? ... I would... mmm blueberry... Of course. Eating pie is one of my favorite activities.
| | The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner and RPG designer from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute and RPGA certified DM named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and THAC0. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons, D&D every night. In the spring we'd make meat helmets for LARP. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag, forced to walk the walk of a thousand four siders, and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe, which was very handy for D&D. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles for LARP. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.
Spreading the love of the Digitus Impudicus Champion of the Spider Eater with rider. I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
| The Great Choco Monster Ghendar Warlord
 10645 Posts



 In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
 | | 02/19/2008 9:43 AM | Alert | Posted By zenthrus on 02/17/2008 3:55 PM I'm still waiting for the save-game feature to be implemented 
Since the 4E mantra is fun, fun, fun, I'm surprised it hasn't been implemented yet. After all, dying aint fun, is it?
| | The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner and RPG designer from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute and RPGA certified DM named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and THAC0. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons, D&D every night. In the spring we'd make meat helmets for LARP. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag, forced to walk the walk of a thousand four siders, and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe, which was very handy for D&D. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles for LARP. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.
Spreading the love of the Digitus Impudicus Champion of the Spider Eater with rider. I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
| yack Commander
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 Ottawa, Canada
 | | 02/19/2008 10:19 AM | Alert | | Wow now that was funny classic "save-game option" hahahahahahaha it makes me cry cause the game is leaning that way and it's true. :( | | Champion of the Peryton Vindicated Champion : Pit Fiend, Devourer ATG: Fog Giant DW: Duergar Priest RPG Only!!!! The Drumming Drunkn' DM | |
| thekidxii Warrior
 327 Posts



 No Yack. I said.. we need a DM not BM!
 | | 02/20/2008 9:24 AM | Alert | | there is no save againsts 4e | | Champion of the dire hippo. Audi Vide Tace "Nothing matters but the weekend, From a Tuesday point of view" -Diamond & Zero | |
| Master of the Awesome Sauce Teflon Jeff Warlord
 5329 Posts



 Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
 | | 02/20/2008 12:40 PM | Alert | Save game from players? Not possible.
I'm waiting for the reset button.
And the bluberry claimed it was Boysenberry. Dastardly!
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| Pedro Commander
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 Czech Republic
 | | 02/21/2008 3:50 PM | Alert | Posted By zenthrus on 02/17/2008 3:55 PM I'm still waiting for the save-game feature to be implemented 

What I am not getting is the "You get better! And all of a sudden, you wake up and heal yourself thing"
*desperate whisper* "Ohh, are these my intestines...oh, how red they- *falls unsconcious to the ground*
*on dice roll later*
"Wooo, this belongs here and that part over there *quarter of life miraculously restored*...and now I'll just use this belt of mine and tighten it up a little more so my inner organs don't fall out when I take my sword and charge that big horny demon-beast again like nothing really happened." Who needs clerics, really?
What about it just removes one of those 3 "you get worse" conditions. | |
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| Knight of the Round Table Thenameless Warlord
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 The Fortress of Solitude
 | | 03/03/2008 7:05 PM | Alert | | Yeah, that one doesn't make sense to me either. | | Over 270 successful online DDM trades. | |
| Puggins Sergeant
 593 Posts




 | | 03/04/2008 8:28 AM | Alert | That ones easy to get, actually. Cue any random action movie where the hero and his/her sidekick are ambushed by bad guy assassin. Bad Guy surpises the duo and knocks the hero unconscious. Side kick draws his weapon and fights as best he could for a while, ultimately losing his weapon and his footing. He stares in terror as the villain's sword arc's down... only to be intercepted by the hero's, who has regained consciousness and is ready to go (rolled a 20, executed a second wind). See Highlander's final fight for a perfect illustration.
Damage could be lethal, or it could be temporary- merely a sudden shock that a hero could shrug off after a few seconds. So a hero is more likely to recover consciousness (14%) than he is to die (12%) in the first three rounds after getting knocked out, but the longer he stays down, the more likely he is to have sustained a serious and life-threatening injury. If anything, this is MORE accurate than the klugy countdown to -10 that previous editions had. For the first time, 4e models temporary knockouts. | | References: http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7231 | |
| Master of the Awesome Sauce Teflon Jeff Warlord
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 Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
 | | 03/04/2008 12:56 PM | Alert | Sure, lot's of times people recover from knockout concussions and are fine... see any 50 year old football player with history.
On the other hand, we're playing a game where you make destructive balls of fire out of sulphur and guano. The laws of physics left the building a while ago.
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