Posted By Turboman on 06/07/2008 3:47 PM
After playing 4E I think it is a game made for children, it is so dumbed down anyone can play which makes for a weak game.

Each character class specializes in one of four basic functions in combat: control and area offense, defense, healing and support, and focused offense. The roles embodied by these functions are controller, defender, leader, and striker. The classic adventuring party includes one character of each role: wizard, fighter, cleric, and rogue.
Character roles identify which classes can stand in for each other. For example, if you don’t have a cleric in your party, a warlord serves just as well in the leader role.

Play a dragonborn if you want . . .
to look like a dragon.
to be the proud heir of an ancient, fallen empire.
to breathe acid, cold, fire, lightning, or poison.
to be a member of a race that favors the warlord,
fighter, and paladin classes.

Posted By GuJiaXian on 06/07/2008 6:02 PM
Kaya, you spend an amazing amount of time griping about something you clearly don't enjoy--we get the picture.

Posted By GuJiaXian on 06/07/2008 6:02 PM
Kaya, you spend an amazing amount of time griping about something you clearly don't enjoy--we get the picture.

Posted By vanrulzz on 06/07/2008 9:04 PM
Jeez... I come on here to post about how much I love (most of) the new stuff for 4E, and all I see is the same old complaining... Wow.

NOTE: I am not dead.

Posted By Ghendar on 06/07/2008 6:32 PM

I thought that was my job.

Posted By GuJiaXian on 06/07/2008 9:17 PM

Wow, someone else that enjoys 4th edition.  :)  We should start a "what I DO like about 4e" thread."

Posted By GuJiaXian on 06/07/2008 9:17 PM

Wow, someone else that enjoys 4th edition.  :)  We should start a "what I DO like about 4e" thread."

well the adventures weren't designed very well...  not that they had time...  I was at the table that James Wyatt DM'd and he talked occasionally about how much fun he had designing the adventures...  THE PREVIOUS THURSDAY!  thats (lets count) 1, 2, 3 days before the game day itself he was designing both demo adventures.  So really that shouldn't be a reason you didn't like 4E but a reason you didn't like Game Day.

and that white dragon counts as 5 3rd level monsters as far as challenge...  lol.


Posted By Cthulhufnord on 06/07/2008 11:04 PM
Unfortunatly I won't be posting too much onto that.

I picked up the core rules and played in the @#$%&@ games day demo scenario.  4th ed is distinctly not to my liking.  The fact that today's "demo game for beginners" resulted in a TPK for us didn't help matters.

Posted By greyhaze on 06/09/2008 6:30 AM
So, I guess discussing a A4e is kinda out... let the hostilities commence!

Posted By GuJiaXian on 06/09/2008 7:47 AM
Adding the diagonals back into the game might have a major mechanical impact (I'd have to play around with it), but do you really need a new $35 book to let you add the fluff back in? Heck, you can do that for free! :)

Posted By Ghendar on 06/09/2008 8:18 AM


Except that when fluff changes are made they become default and players expect them to be there. Change that and then whiny players complain because they can't play a Dragonborn. "But it's in the PH????!!!??? Why can't I play it??????"

Additionally, the default 4e fluff is now hardwired into every official D&D release, thus making it harder to swap out for older stuff. I'm not saying it can't be done but it requires some effort and you run the risk of player opposition.  

Posted By GuJiaXian on 06/09/2008 8:44 AM
I agree that it might be harder to incorporate major fluff changes, but as for your hypothetical whiny player, just beat them around the head with your DMG and remind them who's running the game.  :)

Posted By greyhaze on 06/09/2008 8:59 AM
That might not be a bad project for someone. I'll keep my eye out.

Posted By Kaya Kenobi on 06/09/2008 10:10 AM
Teflon Jeff, a third party can't touch greyhawk, forgotten realms, or any of the other settings because they are owned by WotC. Those that do face copyright infringement.

But like most other people, I can care less about fluff. It's more game mechanics than anything.

Posted By wicked cool on 06/09/2008 8:49 AM
Th DM can clearly state up front. this is my houserule campaign and i dont want Dragonborn or Tieflings in it. Its not a a bad idea Greyhaze to have an advanced book for those who need the fluff. It doenst have to cost $35 and could be a PDF. look for someone down the line to probably at ENworld or elsewhere to create 1.