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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
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6844 Posts

West Valley City, Utah

10/28/2008 5:25 PM
Posted By DC on 10/28/2008 5:21 PM Posted By Corim Danex on 10/28/2008 5:09 PM Posted By DC on 10/28/2008 5:02 PM Few people are also aware that the fire spewing, winged, yahweh-dragon of the hebrews was once presented with an offering 32 Midianite virgins to suplement his daily ration of unbemished lambs and calves (and liqour too, which may be why the Bible says he could spew fire from his mouth. In fact most people have forgotten that Yahweh was originally a benificent storm controlling dragon, no different than the dragons of the Chinese. � Once again, you have demonstrated your lack of culture and regard for others as you have apparently not read the few rules about this website before getting on your pedestal to preach your philosophies. It is against the rules of this site to discuss religion (outside of its direct application to the D&D game). No preaching or pedestal, just an interesting aside to one of the few people here who seems to actually know something about ancient dragon legends and how they were incorporated into the original D&D. But if you want to know more about these things go to Unsolved Mysteries discussion forums and look up the posts of the Draconic Chronicler (DC). I have no interest in finding out any more about your supposedly scholarly studies on ancient history and dragons nor any other material you have produced.

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relientKitten
Warrior
Warrior

201 Posts

Portland, Oregon

10/28/2008 5:28 PM
Not really sure what all of the fuss is about. Alignments did get kind of an overhaul in general (and they really never were a great idea, imho.) The chromatics are blatantly 'evil', so sayeth the 4e MM. The metallics aspire to Bahamut as best they can, but their natures make them greedy and worldly. That doesn't make them evil (notice that the MM never says that metallics are evil like it did for the chromatics; trying to aspire to LG Bahamut is near about impossible for most folks) A chromatic dragon would do something good if it were in their best interest, that doesn't mean they're good dragons. Metallics can do evil if needed or could simply be neutral most of the time and good when they need to. With your Gold Dragon example, eating a bunch of virgins isn't exactly a 'noble' act, so even the good guys can be bad and not fall from goodness. I like whiskers. They need more cat-critters in D&D. I'm Chaotic Lawful. It's not defined in the PHB or DMG or any other book of any edition. And no, Chaotic Lawful is not the same as True Neutral. Does that mean it's not valid? Nope. Maybe someday I'll give my explaination, but I don't want to hijack this silly thread. Let's argue about something better, like what kind of chocolate everyone should mail to me. ^_~

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Wolfgang
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10/28/2008 5:33 PM
Do you have to run PT 3 miles a day every morning? 3 miles!!!! man you lucky bastrd!!! when i was a radio op we had to do 5 every day Do you know what military basic training is all about? when i did mine we had some USMC guys come up and they dropped out after a week they said it was way to hard Do you think you could march 100 miles in four days in full Roman armor as I have done in an archaeological experiment in Nijmegan Holland?, wow when i went in 1991 i never saw anyone in armor but i did have to do it with a 50 LB ruck

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DC
Sneak

63 Posts

10/28/2008 5:41 PM
Posted By Corim Danex on 10/28/2008 4:50 PM Posted By DC on 10/28/2008 4:32 PM ...but it would seem the new waves of youngsters hired to write/develop D&D want to throw out everything that came before and make up something completely new, all because of massive egos. ... But it is a moneymaking scheme as well.� They are trying to popularize 'dragonborn' reptilians now, and not surprisingly, every figure is rare and very expensive. So in order to have some of these figures in their game, people are paying 8 - 10 dollars for a five cent piece of plastic. History is hardly taught in schools anymore, so young people today have little respect and regard for it. So I suppose 'D&D fantasy history' should not have any more respect and regard for young people than real history, even if they think they are fans of the game. First, I haven't been posting in the 4e forum for months as 4e supporters told me to stop posting here. Second, I agree with your initial premise: that it is a bad thing that 4e designers decided to abandon alignment for the dragons (and a lot of other things for that matter). Third, you are being typical of your style in the other thread about D&D & Military, undercutting your case by how insulting you are. Fourth, I think the all new game has more to do with moneymaking than massive egos, though I don't know the designers well enough personally to know about the ego part. This has more to do with the overlords at Hasbro telling them to make more money or the staff would be fired or some such. Fifth, about the veritable smorgasborg of dragons and dragon types to kill: I agree that it's lame that it's becoming such that a very high percentage of the game is dragon type when dragons were supposed to be special and rare. Sixth, none of the minis are really 5 cent pieces of plastic, due to the costs involved to make them. You might value them at 5 cents, but I don't see any of the minis actually selling for that price on any price lists. Once again, you are showing a profound ignorance of the issues or a laziness to look things up (very unscholarly of one who supposedly appears on scholarly television programs). Seventh, in an earlier post, you decried that wizards could be powerful and fly. What do you expect them to be? Old geezers with walking sticks, cloaks, a love of reading exotic texts, and experts on herbal remedies for arthritis? Glad to see we do agree on so many things. But when I referred to "a five cent figure" I refer to the actual cost of the figure to make in China. Yes, I also design historical figures for several companies including one in China. In fact, I may be able to offer some assistance in this field if WotC goes belly up, and there is this "Guild" thing that wants to continue producing figures for their own game. But sorry, better fantasy writers than anyone at WotC, like Brooks and Goodkind, have their wizards enlist the help of dragons if they want to fly. That;s just the way it is. Anything else is adolescent comic book, superhero nonsense.

Lord_rock
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2045 Posts

Portland OR

10/28/2008 5:45 PM
someone please lock this thread and save us all from the pain and suffering we are currently being subjected to.

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Almacov
Skirmisher

47 Posts

Canada

10/28/2008 5:46 PM
Tell me about it. Flight. Sheesh. Practically like parting a sea. Adolescent comic book, superhero nonsense...

Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
Warlord

6844 Posts

West Valley City, Utah

10/28/2008 5:49 PM
The very idea that you accept that wizards and magic would be part of the genre than turn around and say what they can and cannot do is absurd. You act as though magic is something that can be engineered according to set rules and limits that must conform to your concept or it's unacceptable. You are trying to incorporate laws of physics to magic--your own laws. I'm sure if there is anything possible out there in the world you have done it and can do it. And you can do it better than anyone else who has lived before you or will live after you. We might as well get down on our fingers and toes and worship you. I'm surprised I lived this long without your help. I'm surprised that I have been playing D&D for a number of years and enjoying it without your keen tutelage and refinement.

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Bert the Troll
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3964 Posts

Adelaide

10/28/2008 5:50 PM
Posted By Almacov on 10/28/2008 3:49 PM Thread locked to spare people from ignorance/self righteousness overload? Anyone? Posted By Lord_rock on 10/28/2008 5:45 PM someone please lock this thread and save us all from the pain and suffering we are currently being subjected to. What ya know, sometimes I do listen. click Also, the best way to get mod attention is to report a post via the alert thingajig.

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DC
Sneak

63 Posts

10/28/2008 5:53 PM
Posted By Wolfgang on 10/28/2008 5:33 PM Do you have to run PT 3 miles a day every morning? 3 miles!!!! man you lucky bastrd!!! when i was a radio op we had to do 5 every day Do you know what military basic training is all about? when i did mine we had some USMC guys come up and they dropped out after a week they said it was way to hard Do you think you could march 100 miles in four days in full Roman armor as I have done in an archaeological experiment in Nijmegan Holland?, wow when i went in 1991 i never saw anyone in armor but i did have to do it with a 50 LB ruck My.... someone here actually knows something about what I am talking about. I never would have guessed it on this forum. We did the Nijmegen March in full Roman armor in 1985 and 1986, as i remember, and it was documented in "Soldiers" Magazine, but if you are Canadian you might not be familiar with it. The experiment was so appropriate for Nijmegen because this city is the site of an important Roman fortress. In fact, when we crossed the finish line on the last day, the director of Museum Kam, Dr. Hubrecht, gave us all a swig of wine from original Roman cups! 50 pound rucks are child's play compared to fifty pounds of roman armor PLUS toting an 18 pound shield in one hand all the way, plus the pilum in the other. BTW, since you are such a draconian fan, did you notice my Avatar?

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