thewulf
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 | | 02/28/2008 9:17 AM |
| At experience it was announced there would be a PHB per year... yikes! Maybe thats why they needed all those cover art images...
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thekidxii
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| | 02/28/2008 11:22 AM |
| I'm out! (no 4e for me)....
I'll keep buying minis for RPG as needed, but I will not be buying core books anually. I understand that this might make sense as a nice revenue stream for them but, "No thanks!"
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| | 02/28/2008 12:25 PM |
| | This has been rumored for some time. It's annoying but even more annoying is not having the druid and barbarian in the first PH. | |
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| | 02/28/2008 2:52 PM |
| Yeah, that's pretty annoying. If I wasn't out long before, I'd be out now.Â
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GuJiaXian
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| | 02/28/2008 3:09 PM |
| | You people are overreacting. The second (and third and fourth...) PHBs will be supplements, just as the PHB2 is in 3.5. | |
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minatoman38
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| | 02/28/2008 3:22 PM |
| I'm wondering more about the series of race and class based supplements. If a PhB is coming out each year with supplementary information for each class and race as well as new classes and races what would be the point of buying race/class supplement books. In the past most of the good stuff from those books would get reprinted anyway. If anything putting out a PhB that combines most of the good bits from those books each year would be easier on the pocket book than buying monthly supplements.
Personally I won't be sorry to see the druid and barbarian go. Or the other classes for that matter.
The Barbarian though reasonable now was a horrible broken class in 1st edition and I've never really forgiven them for the trouble they caused.
The druid is curently a horrible overpowered class that I love to play but hate seeing PCs use one.
Bards I like as a fun roleplaying choice but they are minor option and a player who really wants that kind of them can mimic it with a straight rogue a rogue/cleric or rogue/wizard combination. A rogue who can sing would be better than a bard anyway.
Sorcerer is no longer necessary with the change in the magic system.
Monk I'll miss. They have been a stable minion for my various secret organizations, cults and so forth and it is a shame to lose them. Hopefully the brawny rogue will be able to stand in for them.
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| | 02/29/2008 4:32 AM |
| Posted By GuJiaXian on 02/28/2008 3:09 PM
You people are overreacting. The second (and third and fourth...) PHBs will be supplements, just as the PHB2 is in 3.5.
I want the druid and barbarian in PH1. I'm not overreacting.
[EDIT] - Apparently this post is too similar to my last one so I'll spice it up a bit.
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| | 02/29/2008 4:34 AM |
| Posted By minatoman38 on 02/28/2008 3:22 PMThe Barbarian though reasonable now was a horrible broken class in 1st edition and I've never really forgiven them for the trouble they caused.
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thekidxii
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| | 02/29/2008 4:34 AM |
| Â Â Â Yeah, a bit of knee-jerk, but it still feels like change just for change'$ sake.Â
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    FLGS owner is pretty pissed at WoTC. He is certain that they don't give a rat's ass about the game stores, and this DI stuff is just their (WoTC's) way of grabbing a bigger share of a finite market.
   I'm not going to write off 4e, but it is not something I will invest much time in, nor any money on at this time. I just got back into D&D after 15 years... (2e had just been released and I didn't have the internet to bitch to!) A year of 3.5 just seems too short to me.
   The fluff changes are a real hard pill to swallow, and i think are the biggest hurdel to my moving on... that and my DM said, "No!" ;)
To GJX, QoC, and any other delagate:
   I know I've teased you in chat for being "on the take" but I look forward to hearing about how 4e really works from you and others, once it is released.Â
Stickin' wif 3.5 (for now)
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| | 02/29/2008 4:36 AM |
| Posted By GuJiaXian on 02/28/2008 3:09 PM
You people are overreacting. The second (and third and fourth...) PHBs will be supplements, just as the PHB2 is in 3.5.
I actually don't have a problem with this if the intent is for them to replace the "complete" books. However, not getting all the iconic D&D classes in the first PH is what I'm having trouble with. Now I have to wait a year to play a druid or barbarian. Not acceptable.
[EDIT] - Once again a forum policeman has decreed that I repeat myself. Maybe I should just change my tune and embrace 4E whole heartedly. Yes! That's what I'll do. I LOVE YOU 4E!!! I CAN"T GET ENOUGH OF YOU!!! YOU COMPLETE ME!!!! YOU HAD ME AT 4!!!!!
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berus316
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| | 02/29/2008 8:35 AM |
| I actually kinda like a PHB addendum a year. It's just like the Monster Manual that way.
It shouldn't be too hard to keep track of where the classes are hopefully.
I have no complaints on this. | |
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| | 02/29/2008 8:39 AM |
| | i have no problem with this. If phb2 is only needed for those class's then it wont be necessary to buy them. For those leaving the game then good luck. | |
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| | 02/29/2008 9:09 AM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 02/29/2008 4:36 AM
I actually don't have a problem with this if the intent is for them to replace the "complete" books. However, not getting all the iconic D&D classes in the first PH is what I'm having trouble with. Now I have to wait a year to play a druid or barbarian. Not acceptable. SO which classes did you want again?
Do you always repeat yourself so much - 3 posts all saying the same thing on the first page of a thread no less.
Are you guys also upset that there will also be a MM every year too? The PHB 2/3/etc are such a nebulous thing right now I have no idea what form they will take.
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| | 02/29/2008 9:29 AM |
| A hearty Meh from Teflon. Considering all the splatbooks, it's nice to see some consistency on where new classes will be. There will still be ~ the same amount of books, so meh. A rose by any other name...
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| | 02/29/2008 9:54 AM |
| Posted By Pale Rider on 02/29/2008 9:09 AM Posted By Ghendar on 02/29/2008 4:36 AM
I actually don't have a problem with this if the intent is for them to replace the "complete" books. However, not getting all the iconic D&D classes in the first PH is what I'm having trouble with. Now I have to wait a year to play a druid or barbarian. Not acceptable. SO which classes did you want again? Do you always repeat yourself so much - 3 posts all saying the same thing on the first page of a thread no less.
How else can I get to 10000 posts? You don't like it? Don't read.
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| | 02/29/2008 10:27 AM |
| | Another reason for me to skip 4th ed. thanks for the update though. | |
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| | 02/29/2008 12:59 PM |
| | I d not play this, but it sounds very strange to let players play one of the most famous classes after a year. | |
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| Posted By Pedro on 02/29/2008 12:59 PM
I d not play this, but it sounds very strange to let players play one of the most famous classes after a year.
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| | 03/03/2008 8:47 AM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 02/29/2008 9:54 AM Posted By Pale Rider on 02/29/2008 9:09 AM Posted By Ghendar on 02/29/2008 4:36 AM
I actually don't have a problem with this if the intent is for them to replace the "complete" books. However, not getting all the iconic D&D classes in the first PH is what I'm having trouble with. Now I have to wait a year to play a druid or barbarian. Not acceptable. SO which classes did you want again? Do you always repeat yourself so much - 3 posts all saying the same thing on the first page of a thread no less. How else can I get to 10000 posts? You don't like it? Don't read.
Little touchy on Friday, eh Ghendar?
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| | 03/03/2008 9:37 AM |
| Friday was rough.
Still doesn't erase my annoyance at not being able to play two of my favorite PC classes right out of the gate. OH NOES!!!! Too similar to my previous post. The horror!! The fabric of the universe might unravel.
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thekidxii
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| | 03/03/2008 11:13 AM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 03/03/2008 9:37 AM
Friday was rough.
 The fabric of the universe might unravel.
I couldn't help it... that thread was just begging to be pulled. | |
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| | 03/03/2008 7:01 PM |
| | Ghendar, maybe we should just eat some pie. | |
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| | 03/04/2008 4:22 AM |
| Posted By Thenameless on 03/03/2008 7:01 PM
Ghendar, maybe we should just eat some pie.
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| | 03/04/2008 8:17 AM |
| I do think that Ghendar's point is one of the most legitimate gripes about 4e- 8 classes in the PHB is a bit limiting.
Personally, the barbarian I can leave for a bit later. We already have the fighter, the ranger and the rogue, and I figure you can reproduce the barbarian using a bit of each. That one doesn't bother me.
The druid, on the other hand, is a real loss. As presented in 3.5e he isn't so much a "cleric of nature" as a primal extension of it. Any attempt to mimic it via the cleric is gonna come up far, far short. Hopefully this class'll be put in very, very early.
As for one PHB a year, people are completely misinterpreting what that means. It does NOT mean that you will be paying for a revision of existing material. It appears to me that they are taking the "complete books," the "X compendiums" and all of those other books that have been coming out and are ordering them somewhat more logically.
(1) The new player's handbooks will introduce new power sources. Next year's, for example, may introduce the "primal" power source, and may introduce the Druid as primal leader, the Barbarian as Primal Striker and one or two more classes that use the same source. The one after that may introduce Psionics and the Psion Controller, the Psionic Warrior defender and the Monk striker.
(2) They are making source books for each power source that introduce more abilities per class and, I hope, a couple of new classes for that power source as well. See "Martial Power" on Amazon as an example of this. I have high hopes for the Arcane Power supplement, since there's a TON of design space there- Bards, Necromancers, Illusionists, etc. | |
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| | 03/04/2008 12:54 PM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 03/04/2008 4:22 AM Posted By Thenameless on 03/03/2008 7:01 PM
Ghendar, maybe we should just eat some pie. On it!
I'm not eating any pie that youve been on.
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| | 03/04/2008 12:54 PM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 03/04/2008 4:22 AM Posted By Thenameless on 03/03/2008 7:01 PM
Ghendar, maybe we should just eat some pie. On it!
I'm not eating any pie that you've been on.
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| | 03/04/2008 12:58 PM |
| Hey at least his pies don't contain tentacles in them. 
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 03/04/2008 12:54 PM Posted By Ghendar on 03/04/2008 4:22 AM Posted By Thenameless on 03/03/2008 7:01 PM
Ghendar, maybe we should just eat some pie. On it! I'm not eating any pie that you've been on.
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| | 03/05/2008 4:07 AM |
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Vrecknidj
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| | 03/08/2008 5:31 PM |
| I am never going to be able to keep up with you jerks if you keep posting like this....
[on topic]
I think Teflon Jeff has it right, "A rose by any other name..."
Having a PHB every year is no big deal. It makes sense, it makes them money, and it means that a player won't have to buy every splat book in existence to tweak his characters to the max. Instead, he can just buy each year's Player's book.
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| | 03/10/2008 5:11 AM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 03/08/2008 5:31 PM
Having a PHB every year is no big deal. It makes sense, it makes them money, and it means that a player won't have to buy every splat book in existence to tweak his characters to the max. Instead, he can just buy each year's Player's book.
Dave
If it pans out like you say, then yeah no problem.
However, I don't see how they cannot still release various splatbooks which will continue the trend of giving players new options to tweak their characters. Let's face it, they need to release more supplements than just one PH per year to provide PC options. Well, maybe they don't need to, but they will.
Does anyone really think WotC will not release such books for 4E? If I'm proven wrong, so be it.
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| | 03/10/2008 5:12 AM |
| Posted By Cthulhufnord on 03/04/2008 12:58 PM Hey at least his pies don't contain tentacles in them.  | |
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| | 03/10/2008 4:31 PM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 03/10/2008 5:11 AM Posted By Vrecknidj on 03/08/2008 5:31 PM
Having a PHB every year is no big deal. It makes sense, it makes them money, and it means that a player won't have to buy every splat book in existence to tweak his characters to the max. Instead, he can just buy each year's Player's book.
Dave If it pans out like you say, then yeah no problem. However, I don't see how they cannot still release various splatbooks which will continue the trend of giving players new options to tweak their characters. Let's face it, they need to release more supplements than just one PH per year to provide PC options. Well, maybe they don't need to, but they will. Does anyone really think WotC will not release such books for 4E? If I'm proven wrong, so be it.
I think the splatbooks will come slightly less frequently than otherwise. Of course there's still gong to be "teh awesome fighters book!!1!" or whatever they call it. But it won't have certain rules that only go to PH's. Core classes, for example. Now I don't have to delve into a dozen different book trying to find that cool healer class I wanted. I think they are still going to make the same amount of new rules in a given year, and the same amount of pages of product. I just think now, they have a layout of what goes in which books. And that seems good to me.
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| | 03/10/2008 4:33 PM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 03/10/2008 5:12 AM Posted By Cthulhufnord on 03/04/2008 12:58 PM Hey at least his pies don't contain tentacles in them.
You're not?
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minatoman38
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Minaniuonuma-shi, Japan
| | 03/10/2008 4:42 PM |
| It's kind of funny about those splat books. When I played 3.0 and 3.5 I couldn't get enough of them. I thought my options in the players handbook were just to limited to build my uber druid. Even as a gamemaster I liked the flavor of all the prestige classes and the little tricks I could pull on players with some suprising spells and feats. However that was how I felt initially.
But by the 14th or 15th level of the last campaign I ran I was so sick of all the class breaking feats the heroes had access to as well as one or two really broken new classes and a whole lot of spells I didn't like seeing. Actually most of my frustration with that campaign came from allowing a warmage. Well the warmage and waiting a half hour for the ranger to finish all his attack rolls.
Recently I have been running saga edition and I have this wonderful feeling. The game has been going great with basicly no splat books. The only one I have is an earlier aliens anthology (you really do need aliens)Â and the spaceships of the galaxy book (and modifying ships is a necessary stable of the game). The players seem satisfied with the options (as limited as they are) in the core book for refining the characters themselves and frankly so am I. I don't think I'll need anything else.
With this new enlightenment I look forward to the new edition. Sure as a player I'll miss the druid since it is my favorite class (I like power gaming) but as  a DM I can do without it. I'm sure a reasonably nature themed cleric will be possible (it won't be the power house the druid was but it should still have flavor) and I'm sure a fighter or ranger can be made to feel like a barbarian if that is what I player wants.
1st edition (Yes I know it was by a different company) played just fine without the barbarian as a core class and without the druid as a playable at 1st level class. I'm inclined to think less is more in this case. All these splat books will be coming out but I for one will not be buying them (unless I am a player in a campaign...then I will buy anything I can to uber up my character). Why bother, even a PhB2 with a druid or barbarian would not be welcome. | |
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| | 03/11/2008 12:14 PM |
| Posted By minatoman38 on 03/10/2008 4:42 PM
It's kind of funny about those splat books. When I played 3.0 and 3.5 I couldn't get enough of them. I thought my options in the players handbook were just to limited to build my uber druid. Even as a gamemaster I liked the flavor of all the prestige classes and the little tricks I could pull on players with some suprising spells and feats. However that was how I felt initially.
But by the 14th or 15th level of the last campaign I ran I was so sick of all the class breaking feats the heroes had access to as well as one or two really broken new classes and a whole lot of spells I didn't like seeing. Actually most of my frustration with that campaign came from allowing a warmage. Well the warmage and waiting a half hour for the ranger to finish all his attack rolls.
Recently I have been running saga edition and I have this wonderful feeling. The game has been going great with basicly no splat books. The only one I have is an earlier aliens anthology (you really do need aliens)Â and the spaceships of the galaxy book (and modifying ships is a necessary stable of the game). The players seem satisfied with the options (as limited as they are) in the core book for refining the characters themselves and frankly so am I. I don't think I'll need anything else.
With this new enlightenment I look forward to the new edition. Sure as a player I'll miss the druid since it is my favorite class (I like power gaming) but as  a DM I can do without it. I'm sure a reasonably nature themed cleric will be possible (it won't be the power house the druid was but it should still have flavor) and I'm sure a fighter or ranger can be made to feel like a barbarian if that is what I player wants.
1st edition (Yes I know it was by a different company) played just fine without the barbarian as a core class and without the druid as a playable at 1st level class. I'm inclined to think less is more in this case. All these splat books will be coming out but I for one will not be buying them (unless I am a player in a campaign...then I will buy anything I can to uber up my character). Why bother, even a PhB2 with a druid or barbarian would not be welcome.
This does a good job of expressing something that I haven't been able to put my finger on lately. I think 4E will have a more gradual power creep curve. 3E and 3.5 jumped the power pretty high, pretty early. I'm hoping 4E does the opposite, with gradual increases in power.
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| | 03/13/2008 1:51 AM |
| Posted By minatoman38 on 03/10/2008 4:42 PM
1st edition (Yes I know it was by a different company) played just fine without the barbarian as a core class and without the druid as a playable at 1st level class. I'm inclined to think less is more in this case. All these splat books will be coming out but I for one will not be buying them (unless I am a player in a campaign...then I will buy anything I can to uber up my character). Why bother, even a PhB2 with a druid or barbarian would not be welcome.
In D&D games I've gm'ed, I've only allowed the 3 core books. In future, I might allow an additional campaign -specific book and PHB2 - but I'd like to check them first. While new classes may give a lot of variety, I think some variety would be welcome. With 4 of the old basic classes gone, I'll probably miss bard, barbarian, druid & monk. Hopefully phb2 has these all, in addition to a few other interesting (but balanced) ones.
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| | 03/13/2008 8:09 AM |
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| | 03/13/2008 11:06 AM |
| I like the flavor of the favored soul, if not the actuality of it. It tried to be an option for divine players, but the Cleric is just so GOOD!
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| Posted By Vrecknidj on 03/08/2008 5:31 PM
I am never going to be able to keep up with you jerks if you keep posting like this....
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I think Teflon Jeff has it right, "A rose by any other name..."
Having a PHB every year is no big deal. It makes sense, it makes them money, and it means that a player won't have to buy every splat book in existence to tweak his characters to the max. Instead, he can just buy each year's Player's book.
Dave
They will crank out basically every book they did for 3.5e all over again. Here is one of the 1st Martial Power on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Martial-Power-D-Rules-Expansion/dp/0786949813/ref=wl_it_dp?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2HKQ8B9Q4JIN8&colid=3K70X6FC0YUQ7
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