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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
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The Dark and Forbidding Lands of The Necromancer.
 | | 08/21/2007 8:44 AM |
| Posted By nyjastul69 on 08/21/2007 6:00 AM
My only 'issue' with 4e is the self realization that I'm a fossil and the designers are moving the game to a place that I don't really want to go to. I hope it works out for WotC.
I'm right there with ya Kyle. Let's form a support group!!!!  | |
Ghendar - Bringin' the snark!
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Cthulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 08/21/2007 8:48 AM |
| | I might still be in denial. | |
You know, I keep thinking that after the new design team gets done with D&D 4e, D&D won't stand for Dungeons and Dragons anymore, because well, that's just not fun. It's old and stuffy. - Originally Posted by BabWryter on Kenzerco.com | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 08/21/2007 12:12 PM |
| | I was kind of leery about 4e, but every single change has basically been pointed at things that I have wanted them to change. So I am optimistic, to say the least. | |
I am not gone. | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4462 Posts
| | 08/21/2007 4:48 PM |
| As a Delegate who was at XP, I can say clearly that there was NO Delegate meeting, so first: Any statement was made to the general public, or simply in a conversation one on one... My point being that if the general public is quoting the same thing (2010), seems like it was more likely a misunderstanding.
Further: It is actually ILLEGAL, for a pubicly traded company to reveal much information about future product, as it can have an impact on the companies stock. Being a "long way off" sounds perfectly reasonable (i.e. 15 months...) From an SEC filing kind of thing....
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"Games evolve. Otherwise we'd still be pushing rocks around the dirt. What do you think the cavemen said when some dude showed up with sticks?" - Chairman7w | |
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MerricB
Underboss
2350 Posts
Australia
| | 08/21/2007 6:22 PM |
| Posted By PatEllis15 on 08/21/2007 4:48 PM
As a Delegate who was at XP, I can say clearly that there was NO Delegate meeting, so first: Any statement was made to the general public, or simply in a conversation one on one... My point being that if the general public is quoting the same thing (2010), seems like it was more likely a misunderstanding.
Further: It is actually ILLEGAL, for a pubicly traded company to reveal much information about future product, as it can have an impact on the companies stock. Being a "long way off" sounds perfectly reasonable (i.e. 15 months...) From an SEC filing kind of thing....
Pat E
The General Public isn't saying 2010. Heck, the informed posters aren't saying 2010.
Scott Rouse was misquoted as saying "through 2008", as Olaf notes above.
This delegate who says he was told 2010... this is the first I've heard of this. And I pay a lot more attention to rumours of 4e than most people. It hasn't been discussed at all. We've had a lot of people talking about when 4e would be coming on both Wizards and EN World, and I would have expected to see the "The delegates have been told 2010" at least once.
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PatEllis15
Commander
4462 Posts
| | 08/21/2007 8:15 PM |
| Yea, rereading what I wrote, I wasn't very clear. One guy is claiming 2010 was said. There was No delegate Meeting (Thus "delegates" couldn't have been told anything), and 2010 wasn't said in the D&D Seminar held on Thursday...
Bad rumors....
Pat E
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"Games evolve. Otherwise we'd still be pushing rocks around the dirt. What do you think the cavemen said when some dude showed up with sticks?" - Chairman7w | |
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 09/12/2007 11:35 AM |
| Posted By doubtofbuddha on 08/21/2007 12:12 PM
I was kind of leery about 4e, but every single change has basically been pointed at things that I have wanted them to change. So I am optimistic, to say the least.
Um... They'll show the good stuff, but pass over the bad. However, if you don't like something as a DM, change it. ;) Rule 0!!! | |
Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai.  I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
| Master of the
Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 09/12/2007 6:43 PM |
| Posted By Kaya Kenobi on 09/12/2007 11:35 AM Posted By doubtofbuddha on 08/21/2007 12:12 PM
I was kind of leery about 4e, but every single change has basically been pointed at things that I have wanted them to change. So I am optimistic, to say the least. Um... They'll show the good stuff, but pass over the bad. However, if you don't like something as a DM, change it. ;) Rule 0!!!
Bingo! All you really need are the base mechanics. The extra books are helpful, but truly, everything is optional. | |
Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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| The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
11197 Posts
The Dark and Forbidding Lands of The Necromancer.
| | 09/13/2007 3:43 AM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/12/2007 6:43 PM Posted By Kaya Kenobi on 09/12/2007 11:35 AM Posted By doubtofbuddha on 08/21/2007 12:12 PM
I was kind of leery about 4e, but every single change has basically been pointed at things that I have wanted them to change. So I am optimistic, to say the least. Um... They'll show the good stuff, but pass over the bad. However, if you don't like something as a DM, change it. ;) Rule 0!!! Bingo! All you really need are the base mechanics. The extra books are helpful, but truly, everything is optional.
Fine in theory, more problematic in reality. I've found that the more you house rule things, the smaller your player base becomes. Fine, some will say, get new players. Again, fine in theory, more problematic in reality. I have a group of guys that I want to game with. I don't want to find another group.
A lot of players don't want changes. They want to play what's in the books. Not to mention that if I, as the DM, decide I don't like a certain class and forbid it in my game, I'm the bad guy because I'm taking choices away from my players. And isn't that the point of modern D&D anyway, giving players more choices not restricting them?
I can just see the arguments already as I disallow the Teifling only to have players whine because it's now core. Well, it's not my core.
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Ghendar - Bringin' the snark!
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Cthulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 09/13/2007 5:22 PM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 09/13/2007 3:43 AM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/12/2007 6:43 PM Posted By Kaya Kenobi on 09/12/2007 11:35 AM Posted By doubtofbuddha on 08/21/2007 12:12 PM
I was kind of leery about 4e, but every single change has basically been pointed at things that I have wanted them to change. So I am optimistic, to say the least. Um... They'll show the good stuff, but pass over the bad. However, if you don't like something as a DM, change it. ;) Rule 0!!! Bingo! All you really need are the base mechanics. The extra books are helpful, but truly, everything is optional. Fine in theory, more problematic in reality. I've found that the more you house rule things, the smaller your player base becomes. Fine, some will say, get new players. Again, fine in theory, more problematic in reality. I have a group of guys that I want to game with. I don't want to find another group. A lot of players don't want changes. They want to play what's in the books. Not to mention that if I, as the DM, decide I don't like a certain class and forbid it in my game, I'm the bad guy because I'm taking choices away from my players. And isn't that the point of modern D&D anyway, giving players more choices not restricting them? I can just see the arguments already as I disallow the Teifling only to have players whine because it's now core. Well, it's not my core.
Actually, if there's a problem, the DM has every right to change or ban something. As a DM, I don't allow wish to be freely taken. You have to quest for it. Same goes for Miracle. And the 3.0 Haste still works fine, because players I have DMed for or gamed with never broke it. And what about changes that are beneficial? I don't like how they did sorcerers, so I allow metamagic feats to apply normally with a sorcerer. Which means if a sorcerer wishes to quicken a spell, she can. Whatever is broke, or just doesn't work, I fix. And there's really never any complaints. After all I have no players casting walls of iron and fabricating them into an armload of weapons to sell. I have no players that multiclass with 5 different classes so at 5th level they're an unstoppable monster. I have no players that argue with me when I make a ruling. If they have a problem, they bring it up after the session. Of course, I won't make a ruling just to hurt another player. So am I fair? Yes. Do I put up with BS? No. So, come up with something cool, then by all means do so! But come up with something that the rules obviously didn't intend, I will make my rule 0 then. | |
Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
| Master of the
Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 09/15/2007 8:01 AM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 09/13/2007 3:43 AM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/12/2007 6:43 PM Posted By Kaya Kenobi on 09/12/2007 11:35 AM Posted By doubtofbuddha on 08/21/2007 12:12 PM
I was kind of leery about 4e, but every single change has basically been pointed at things that I have wanted them to change. So I am optimistic, to say the least. Um... They'll show the good stuff, but pass over the bad. However, if you don't like something as a DM, change it. ;) Rule 0!!! Bingo! All you really need are the base mechanics. The extra books are helpful, but truly, everything is optional. Fine in theory, more problematic in reality. I've found that the more you house rule things, the smaller your player base becomes. Fine, some will say, get new players. Again, fine in theory, more problematic in reality. I have a group of guys that I want to game with. I don't want to find another group. A lot of players don't want changes. They want to play what's in the books. Not to mention that if I, as the DM, decide I don't like a certain class and forbid it in my game, I'm the bad guy because I'm taking choices away from my players. And isn't that the point of modern D&D anyway, giving players more choices not restricting them? I can just see the arguments already as I disallow the Teifling only to have players whine because it's now core. Well, it's not my core.
I guess you need to decide which is more important. Your vision of the game, or playing games with your friends. Everyone makes those choices. | |
Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
"Rejoice, for bad things are about to happen." | |
| The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
11197 Posts
The Dark and Forbidding Lands of The Necromancer.
| | 09/15/2007 4:32 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/15/2007 8:01 AM
I guess you need to decide which is more important. Your vision of the game, or playing games with your friends. Everyone makes those choices.
True enough.
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Ghendar - Bringin' the snark!
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Cthulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
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