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| Posted By nyjastul69 on 08/24/2007 9:06 AM Posted By GuJiaXian on 08/24/2007 9:01 AM
I'm
still not sure why everyone keeps saying that all the new
dragons have horns on their noses. We've only seen pictures of the new
green dragon so far. Because rampant, unsubstantiated rumor mongering is fun. 
Looking
carefully at the picture of the Green Dragon, It looks to me like the
rear head spikes stick out on the left and right.. and that the "pointy
nose" is a combination of the regular snout and the protruding horn
behind it. It is an unfortuneate juxtaposition, but looks different
enough to compare it with the head spikes on the right side of the
picture..
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| | 08/25/2007 4:29 PM |
| I'll have to look closely again...
I guess we'll see when 4E comes out. | |
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| | 08/28/2007 8:58 PM |
| I just got around to reading this article:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20070816b
And I must say that the artwork for weapons is beyond terrible. It's pathetic. The weapons are so clunky and oversized as to be comically useless. If the miniatures line follows those weapons, I will likely quit buying cases and quit buying most PC minis. | |
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| | 08/28/2007 9:32 PM |
| | Well, it is basic artwork. They seem slighlty oversized, but I bet it's not as bad as all that. Case in point, the Pentifex Monolith. | |
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| | 08/29/2007 8:37 AM |
| The Pentiflex does have a big sword, doesn't he? I play a paladin in a short multi-session adventure, and he's my mini 
I agree that the weapons on the picture you posted, Corim, appear oversized. This being said, it's quite surprising to see how big some medieval weapons were. I had the privilege of visiting a few castles in several European countries, and some of those swords are just huge! Greatswords in particular are just out there! I wonder if i would be able to wield one at all.
One thing that appears much more exaggerated to me is the weapon weights provided in the PHB. 4 pounds for a long sword? Ha! No way! I would think 15 pounds to be much closer to reality. 4 feet of solid metal with a big hand guard capable of resisting to other swords smashing into it: 4 pounds? I don't think so. Aluminium wasn't invented yet
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| | 08/29/2007 9:57 AM |
| A few notes on weapons:
1) I was right. Anime influences are making their way into 4e (judging by the art in that article) 
2) A real-world longsword (designed for combat) would typically weigh between 2 and 5 pounds. My hand-folded copper-alloy katana weighs ~2.5 pounds and is just about right because of its balance. My Taiji sword weighs roughly 1.5 pounds (it has a real blade, not a wushu flimsy blade).
3) Roman Gladii weighed roughly 1-2 pounds. They were designed for speed and efficiency.
4) Many of the weapons in European museums are display weapons (much like most of the armor is display armor). They were used in tourneys/lists rather than in field combat. In the Tower of London, there is an extensive collection of swords which were field weapons. The blades rarely pass 2 inches in width and about 3.5 feet in length. It's doubtful that their weight is much over 4 pounds (if even reaching that).
Swords (and other implements of battle) were designed to be used for extensive periods of time. Swinging 15 pounds of metal around would limit most combatants to an efficiency peak of around 10 minutes. Swinging 4 pounds of metal around would allow for a much longer (upwards of an hour) length battle. Two-handed swords (greatswords) were primarily used as implements of execution, not as field weapons.
Museum Replicas
Museum Replicas offers a pretty nice assortment of weapons replicating actual museum pieces. The average weight of their swords is around 3 pounds (and they're steel, not aluminum). Their advert occasionally has mini-articles from their resident swordmaster about the reasons why weapons are actually MUCH lighter than most people expect. | |
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| | 08/29/2007 11:00 AM |
| Well, thanks for the precisions Zenthrus, i stand corrected. I admit to being uninformed in this respect.
(As a side note however, i don't think that most weapons i saw were display weapons.)
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| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/28/2007 9:32 PM
Well, it is basic artwork. They seem slighlty oversized, but I bet it's not as bad as all that. Case in point, the Pentifex Monolith.
What exactly are you saying about the Pentifex Monolith? I think this is one of the worst rare PC minis ever made precisely because of the sword size. If 4.0 wpns are like the Monolith, then I repeat my previous comments. I think the oversized wpns are pathetic.
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| | 08/29/2007 12:00 PM |
| | the only dragon artwork weve seen is the green dragon. Guy confirmed that scale will be the same. the baclk and white drawing that out there also mentions what comes in the starter. also from the starter picture of dungeon of dread none of those pcs have oversized weapons. | |
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| | 08/29/2007 1:58 PM |
| Posted By Corim Danex on 08/29/2007 11:48 AM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/28/2007 9:32 PM
Well, it is basic artwork. They seem slighlty oversized, but I bet it's not as bad as all that. Case in point, the Pentifex Monolith. What exactly are you saying about the Pentifex Monolith? I think this is one of the worst rare PC minis ever made precisely because of the sword size. If 4.0 wpns are like the Monolith, then I repeat my previous comments. I think the oversized wpns are pathetic.
I'm saying that everyone thought his Sword was egregiously oversized. In reality, it is about standard sized for a two handed sword. The pose doesn't help. I don't think any of these particular weapons are vastly larger than they should be.
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| | 08/29/2007 3:01 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/29/2007 1:58 PM Posted By Corim Danex on 08/29/2007 11:48 AM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/28/2007 9:32 PM
Well, it is basic artwork. They seem slighlty oversized, but I bet it's not as bad as all that. Case in point, the Pentifex Monolith. What exactly are you saying about the Pentifex Monolith? I think this is one of the worst rare PC minis ever made precisely because of the sword size. If 4.0 wpns are like the Monolith, then I repeat my previous comments. I think the oversized wpns are pathetic. I'm saying that everyone thought his Sword was egregiously oversized. In reality, it is about standard sized for a two handed sword. The pose doesn't help. I don't think any of these particular weapons are vastly larger than they should be.
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| | 08/29/2007 3:20 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/29/2007 1:58 PM
I'm saying that everyone thought his Sword was egregiously oversized. In reality, it is about standard sized for a two handed sword. The pose doesn't help. I don't think any of these particular weapons are vastly larger than they should be.
If the Pentifex Monolith was wielding a two-handed sword, then the scale might not be egregious. Considering he's also toting a shield..... 
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| Posted By zenthrus on 08/29/2007 9:57 AM
A few notes on weapons:
 My hand-folded copper-alloy katana weighs ~2.5 pounds and is just about right because of its balance. My Taiji sword weighs roughly 1.5 pounds (it has a real blade, not a wushu flimsy blade).
Okay, that sounds realy bloody cool looking. Any chance we could get a pic of it? | |
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| | 08/30/2007 8:20 AM |
| Posted By Cthulhufnord on 08/29/2007 6:05 PM Any chance we could get a pic of it?
The blade doesn't look very copper-ish. The copper is used mainly to mix with steel creating an alloy that is a bit more flexible than normally mixed steel. As far as looks go, it's basically just kind of a dull silver-ish color with a plain tsuba and wood hilt.
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| | 08/31/2007 5:35 AM |
| | From what I have seen the new facelift is not for me. The Anime influences in the game are a total no no for me. Hate overlarge weapons that ruined FF and now its ruining this game. Bring back the classic fighters and knights!!!! Hate this futuristic looking crap. | |
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| | 08/31/2007 7:29 AM |
| If 4.0 is full of anime oversized wpns, I won't be getting it, even if the mechanics are good. Oversized wpns are not D&D.
I don't know what some people are thinking when they don't take people seriously who say they won't be buying 4.0 and may quit D&D altogether. I have seen several people decide to sell of their collections recently, because they are in fact getting out of the game since 4.0 and DDM 2.0 are coming. | |
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| Posted By Corim Danex on 08/31/2007 7:29 AM
I don't know what some people are thinking when they don't take people seriously who say they won't be buying 4.0 and may quit D&D altogether. I have seen several people decide to sell of their collections recently, because they are in fact getting out of the game since 4.0 and DDM 2.0 are coming.
The problem is a lot of people say that and then when they actually start hearing about stuff in the new editions, they begin to like some of what they see and crack. That's why boycotts won't work. Boycotts work on anger and most never stay angry enough to kepp up with the boycott.
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| | 08/31/2007 5:09 PM |
| Meh, if the art os oversized, I won't worry.
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| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/31/2007 5:09 PM
Meh, if the art os oversized, I won't worry.
Hello, House Rule, it's been a while, hasn't it? My problem with the art being oversized is that the miniatures will have oversized weapons if they are based on the art, and I do NOT want oversized weapons on the PC minis. If it were just art, then it wouldn't matter very much to me.
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| Posted By Corim Danex on 09/01/2007 2:36 PM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/31/2007 5:09 PM
Meh, if the art os oversized, I won't worry.
Hello, House Rule, it's been a while, hasn't it? My problem with the art being oversized is that the miniatures will have oversized weapons if they are based on the art, and I do NOT want oversized weapons on the PC minis. If it were just art, then it wouldn't matter very much to me.
Yup, can't "house rule" a mini.
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| Posted By PaSquall on 09/01/2007 3:18 PM
With a bit of luck and skill with a good cutter, you can possibly fix the problem.
Always an option, but we shouldn't have to do that. I'm with Corim on this one. I suppose if I was 15 again, I'd find these gaudy ridiculous oversized weapons interesting.
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| Posted By PaSquall on 09/01/2007 3:18 PM
With a bit of luck and skill with a good cutter, you can possibly fix the problem.
No. I am not going to spend money on a product where I have to alter the minis to make the wpns proper sizes. I will stop collecting sets. The only time I would alter a mini is for a specific PC I was playing where I wanted a different wpn or other alterations to make it more like my character.
I am not into the idea of spending all the money to collect something where I have to alter multiple figures to make them look halfway decent.
Hopefully, with comments about the artwork ahead of time, they will be able to fix the problem before it's made into plastic and/or printed in books.
This is precisely why I am opposed to 4.0 initially--because I am concerned that the money I spent on minis and on products will not work with the later stuff. I don't intend to collect minis in the future if they are radically different from what I like about D&D. I will be forced into being selective about getting singles and/or cut off entirely the purchase of future minis. It would have been one thing if WotC had focused their miniatures line on completing the 3.5 Monster Manual I instead of throwing a bone here and there for MM1 while spending a big portion of each set on Eberron and other books. Then I would at least have had a relatively consistent set of minis to play 3.5 with. I really dislike the idea of waiting for 5 years more to get all the core creatures as miniatures.
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| Posted By Corim Danex on 09/01/2007 3:40 PM Posted By PaSquall on 09/01/2007 3:18 PM
With a bit of luck and skill with a good cutter, you can possibly fix the problem. This is precisely why I am opposed to 4.0 initially--because I am concerned that the money I spent on minis and on products will not work with the later stuff. I don't intend to collect minis in the future if they are radically different from what I like about D&D. I will be forced into being selective about getting singles and/or cut off entirely the purchase of future minis.Â
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| Posted By Corim Danex on 08/28/2007 8:58 PM
I just got around to reading this article:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20070816b
And I must say that the artwork for weapons is beyond terrible. It's pathetic. The weapons are so clunky and oversized as to be comically useless. If the miniatures line follows those weapons, I will likely quit buying cases and quit buying most PC minis.
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| | 09/03/2007 4:20 PM |
| Well, there's plenty of DDM available from the first 14 sets with normal weapons... Â But I don't think the Minis will get that crazy, They wouldn't sell nearly as well... | |
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| | 09/03/2007 11:16 PM |
| | If the minis do start going more Anime, wouldn;t that make them easier to paint? The Eyes in particular. | |
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| | 09/04/2007 12:04 AM |
| The basic problem that I have with D&D going towards more anime artwork is that in every anime movie I've ever seen there's always a fight between two robots. Even the ones that are supposed to be love stories.
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| | 09/04/2007 7:49 AM |
| As I once said in a thread unfavorably comparing the work of Sutherland and Trampier with the (ahem) excellent artists of today:
"Modern fantasy art: Weapons drawn without reference to actual weapons, women drawn without reference to actual women."
To quote Stan the Man: 'Nuff said.
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| Posted By kyrin on 09/04/2007 7:49 AM
As I once said in a thread unfavorably comparing the work of Sutherland and Trampier with the (ahem) excellent artists of today:
"Modern fantasy art: Weapons drawn without reference to actual weapons, women drawn without reference to actual women."
To quote Stan the Man: 'Nuff said.
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Quite true.
I'm also a big comic fan and some of the comics I enjoy most were war comics put out by DC in the 60's and 70's. One of my all time favorite artists was (and still is) a guy by the name of Russ Heath. He drew some of the most realistic WW2 equipment you could imagine. Highly detailed and accurate stuff. He studied the actual equipment so he knew what he was drawing.
Why can't WotC do that with modern D&D art. I know some weapons don't have a historical counterpart but many do. What's so boring about portraying realistic weapons without all the exaggeration? | |
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| Posted By Ghendar on 09/14/2007 5:41 AM
What the hell is that thing? A sword/pistol combo?
Yes. That was the last version of FF that I played, not because of that though.
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| Posted By Ghendar on 09/14/2007 5:41 AM
What the hell is that thing? A sword/pistol combo?
Yep. A gunblade.
(fits nicely for 5th edition  )
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| | 09/14/2007 10:23 AM |
| Weapon size doesn't bother me too much. After all, one of the biggest Fantasy themed influences of my early gaming years was Conan the Barbarian. There's a guy who has no problem with axes as big as he is!
What I would find disturbing is if the art started to reflect the Big Eyes, Small Mouthed look, or if the males were 3 times as tall as the females of any given race.
So far the monsters haven't really dissapointed me. The green dragon was kinda wierd but I didn't care much for his former look either. The beholder is OK, though I do like the 3.5 ed. better and I hated the droopy-nose look that the 3.5 troll had. This new troll is not too bad, though his head does seem a bit too large.
Of course having 'set' looks to monsters makes sense to me, but I'm used to the days of 2.0 where the monster (or at least the mini) looked like whatever line of metal minis the FLGS carried at the time. If you wanted a green dragon you picked up a dragon (any dragon, regardless of the painted box cover) and then took it home and painted it green. *sigh* Guess I'm just getting too old for this... | |
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Liashe
Skirmisher
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| | 09/14/2007 12:33 PM |
| | I think the art work should go back to a more traditional look along the line of Larry Elmore’s or Clyde Caldwell’s work. I don’t want to see any anime and a less comic book look to 4e would be preferred. I also hope the female shifters in Eberron are more bestial and less another word starting with b that I will not use. Let’s just say the art work is good but too male.  | | | |
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