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09/05/2007 11:15 AM  
I don't know if I'll like an over-simplified version of D&D but I don't think it's a mistake to design it that way. They're trying to make more money by appealing to a larger audience.

I'm in the service industry. If you ask any of my employee's why they're nice to stupid people they will tell you that stupid people have money too and we want them to spend it at our restuarant.

WOTC wants to make more money. By designing a game that appeals to only smart people with long attention spans they limit the amount of money that they can make.

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09/05/2007 11:47 AM  
I have honed most of my writing and math skills playing D&D. Obviously I still need some work, but IMAGINE where I'd have been without it!


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09/05/2007 12:05 PM  
Is simplifying just for make slower people more willing to play it? I prefer action being fast, without combats where round takes more than half an hour. I think this is the main purpose of the simplification.

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09/05/2007 4:17 PM  
Posted By nyjastul69 on 09/05/2007 7:45 AM
Posted By Star on 09/05/2007 7:18 AM
Reducing the number of dice you can roll is probably to make it easier for kids to figure out their damage.


But I learned how to add large columns of numbers and quick math in my head by playing D&D, not in math class.
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09/07/2007 4:28 PM  
Posted By Bert the Troll on 09/05/2007 4:17 PM
Posted By nyjastul69 on 09/05/2007 7:45 AM
Posted By Star on 09/05/2007 7:18 AM
Reducing the number of dice you can roll is probably to make it easier for kids to figure out their damage.


But I learned how to add large columns of numbers and quick math in my head by playing D&D, not in math class.
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D&D enables a heck of a lot of learning.


Well, I know of at least one 9 INT barbarian amongst my friends who can do math because of 3E, but couldn't grasp 2E.

I think that the benefits of D&D are there no matter how it's done, as long as it's not an MMO. Anytime you encourage reading and active use of the mind,, you'll see increasing intelligence.


Personally, I think the dice limit is to make for a faster game, not a slower demographic.

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09/07/2007 6:30 PM  
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/07/2007 4:28 PM

Personally, I think the dice limit is to make for a faster game, not a slower demographic.


If it's one or the other then Teflon is probably right. There's no reason it can't be for both reasons though. 

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09/08/2007 3:43 PM  
Posted By Star on 09/07/2007 6:30 PM
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/07/2007 4:28 PM

Personally, I think the dice limit is to make for a faster game, not a slower demographic.


If it's one or the other then Teflon is probably right. There's no reason it can't be for both reasons though. 


Kind of a "what's good for the goos is good for the gander?"

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09/28/2007 6:52 AM  
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/08/2007 3:43 PM


Kind of a "what's good for the goos is good for the gander?"

What's a goos?

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09/28/2007 7:04 AM  
Posted By Ghendar on 09/28/2007 6:52 AM
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/08/2007 3:43 PM


Kind of a "what's good for the goos is good for the gander?"

What's a goos?


Silly Jeff: it's the the singular form of gees.


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09/28/2007 7:12 AM  
Posted By nyjastul69 on 09/28/2007 7:04 AM
Posted By Ghendar on 09/28/2007 6:52 AM
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/08/2007 3:43 PM


Kind of a "what's good for the goos is good for the gander?"

What's a goos?


Silly Jeff: it's the the singular form of gees.








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09/28/2007 7:41 AM  
I think he was trying to type "good".


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09/29/2007 1:02 PM  

Actually, I was trying to type Goose, with an E.

And goos is plural for goo...


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09/29/2007 3:32 PM  
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/29/2007 1:02 PM

Actually, I was trying to type Goose, with an E.

And goos is plural for goo...


Thanks for uh clearing that up.

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10/01/2007 8:01 AM  
Wow, I think it's infectious, I knew you meant "goose" and typed "good" - ack.


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10/02/2007 5:15 PM  
Posted By greyhaze on 10/01/2007 8:01 AM
Wow, I think it's infectious, I knew you meant "goose" and typed "good" - ack.


I'm contagious. ;)

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