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Bert the Troll
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 | | 11/27/2007 3:24 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 11/27/2007 1:15 PM Posted By zenthrus on 11/26/2007 9:49 PM Posted By Bert the Troll on 11/26/2007 5:30 PM
I bet it (books, modules, etc) would cost a whole lot more under Paizo And have crappy shipping times  Looking at what they charge for minis already (singles) DDM would get the axe too...
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And the more popluar something was, the more it would cost like the drow outpost Dragon Issue. | |
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| | 11/27/2007 3:38 PM |
| Posted By Bert the Troll on 11/27/2007 3:24 PM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 11/27/2007 1:15 PM Posted By zenthrus on 11/26/2007 9:49 PM Posted By Bert the Troll on 11/26/2007 5:30 PM
I bet it (books, modules, etc) would cost a whole lot more under Paizo And have crappy shipping times Looking at what they charge for minis already (singles) DDM would get the axe too... - And the more popluar something was, the more it would cost like the drow outpost Dragon Issue.
Well, that's just supply and demand 
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| | 11/27/2007 3:55 PM |
| | Unfortunately, that can't explain a $90 Beholder or an $85 Aspect of Orcus. | |
Eye dun no why youse guys think im not relly a person im jimgang from canada but im moving to cali as soon as i get a master card
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| | 11/28/2007 8:16 AM |
| ok things i like
1. new feats
2. rules changes such as comabt,grappling,spellc asting,etc
things im neutral on
1. look of new dragons,beholders,trogs,outsiders
2. the gods-never a big factor. moradin now becomes something else.
3. tieflings as pc characters. dont know enough about them and have never encountered them in D&D. better than gnomes? My personal religious beliefs have no influence in my decision
things i need more info on
1. phb 2. is it needed. if barbarian is core book 2 does my barbarian characer need to reference both phb1 and . If not then im ok with it if i need both then that stinks
things i hate
1. new angel. looks terrible
For those who hope it fails and paizo buy out D&d be careful what you wish for. Hasbro has the resources to create the plastic mins we all love. Paizo does not so more than likely all mins skyrocket in price or game dies. Also if 4th ed fails more than likely they fire all the people who made it and create 5.0. Way to early to speculate | |
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Ghendar
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| | 11/28/2007 8:57 AM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 11/27/2007 3:55 PM
Unfortunately, that can't explain a $90 Beholder or an $85 Aspect of Orcus.
I hope everyone will NOTÂ base their opinion of Paizo on their (admittedly) insane after market DDM singles prices. The sad thing is some poeple are actually buying them at these stupid prices. I love Paizo and wish to support them in general, but whomever priced those DDM singles needs a kick in the head. | |
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Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
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I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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| | 11/28/2007 9:12 AM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 11/28/2007 8:57 AM Posted By Wraithborne on 11/27/2007 3:55 PM
Unfortunately, that can't explain a $90 Beholder or an $85 Aspect of Orcus. I hope everyone will base their opinion of Paizo on their (admittedly) insane after market DDM singles prices. The sad thing is some poeple are actually buying them at these stupid prices. I love Paizo and wish to support them in general, but whomever priced those DDM singles needs a kick in the head.
Agreed. The prices are crazy, and keep me from doing business with them. I'm able to find better places to spend my money than with a gouging company. They do good work, but I always wonder how much more I'm paying than I should.
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| | 11/28/2007 9:55 AM |
| EDIT TO MY ABOVE POST
I meant to say I hope everyone will NOT base their opinion of Paizo solely on their single DDM prices. | |
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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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| | 11/28/2007 9:59 AM |
| | My reason for desiring to see Paizo buy D&D (if that were even possible) is based on the comments I've seen from Erik Mona on their message boards. He seems to understand what I (and a lot of others of a like mind) am looking for in D&D. WotC does not. | |
WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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| | 11/28/2007 10:37 AM |
| Not sure Paizo have the cash for this. In fact I'm pretty sure they don't.
More likely the brand would be bought by Electronic arts or some other videogame company. They would just slap the brand on their latest MMO, and POSSIBLY create a derived pen and paper RPG, or board game, as it was done for world of warcraft.
If a small third party editor was to buy D&D, I'd love it to be Goodman games. In fact, a Paizo/Goodman/Necromancer (and possibly Trolllords) merge would make me very happy. | |
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Bert the Troll
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Adelaide
| | 11/29/2007 4:08 PM |
| I sure do base my opinion of Paizo on their singles prices (and related like the dragon mags price variance).
A company prepared to over charge by that incredbily much, and to a lesser degree over charge on international postage, (lesser becasue everyone seems to want to gain extra profit from overseas 'postage') shows a company that will over charge where ever they can.
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It would be interesting to see what other companies would do with D&D, but I doubt WoTC would want to give it up anytime soon.
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| | 11/29/2007 7:15 PM |
| | I don't think wotc would ever want to give up D&D, I think we're looking at hasbro pushing the money button. | |
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| | 11/30/2007 4:23 AM |
| Posted By Bert the Troll on 11/29/2007 4:08 PM
 and to a lesser degree over charge on international postage, (lesser becasue everyone seems to want to gain extra profit from overseas 'postage') shows a company that will over charge where ever they can.
Are you sure it's overcharging Bert? I ask because postal rates here in the U.S. have recently gone wacky.
I'm in the process of selling off some of my comic collection and shipping overseas is expensive these days.
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Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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| | 11/30/2007 5:07 AM |
| I can definitely vouch that international rates have gone up. Once it gets up to a pound or more the price jumps sky high. When they changed our postage rates last May, they took away every cheap option that existed for overseas shipping. There is one good thing that came of it....they eliminated Surface  | |
Eye dun no why youse guys think im not relly a person im jimgang from canada but im moving to cali as soon as i get a master card
-Jimgang
So, you stand at your grave, Has your soul yet been taken away?
So you can't read what's engraved, Is this Heaven or merely Decay?
Was there a light, enchantingly bright, A Question, just how did it end?
Just let me sift through your calm remains, And tear you away from your skin.
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Bert the Troll
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Adelaide
| | 12/02/2007 5:11 PM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 11/30/2007 4:23 AM Posted By Bert the Troll on 11/29/2007 4:08 PM
 and to a lesser degree over charge on international postage, (lesser becasue everyone seems to want to gain extra profit from overseas 'postage') shows a company that will over charge where ever they can.
Are you sure it's overcharging Bert? I ask because postal rates here in the U.S. have recently gone wacky. I'm in the process of selling off some of my comic collection and shipping overseas is expensive these days.
Comparing price on parcel with price of postage, yeah, I'm pretty sure its over charging. With Piazo too, its not a recent hike.
Handling costs always seem the bulk of postage, and most times (not Piazo alone) it seems morer expensive to 'handle' if it is international.
But I'm just frumpy have had a run of ebay sellers in last few weeks who think thats just dandy to over charge  internationals. Maybe thats to do with recent hikes but more likley imo it's just aholes. | |
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| | 12/03/2007 9:12 AM |
| Posted By Bert the Troll on 12/02/2007 5:11 PM Posted By Ghendar on 11/30/2007 4:23 AM Posted By Bert the Troll on 11/29/2007 4:08 PM
 and to a lesser degree over charge on international postage, (lesser becasue everyone seems to want to gain extra profit from overseas 'postage') shows a company that will over charge where ever they can.
Are you sure it's overcharging Bert? I ask because postal rates here in the U.S. have recently gone wacky. I'm in the process of selling off some of my comic collection and shipping overseas is expensive these days. Comparing price on parcel with price of postage, yeah, I'm pretty sure its over charging. With Piazo too, its not a recent hike. Handling costs always seem the bulk of postage, and most times (not Piazo alone) it seems morer expensive to 'handle' if it is international. But I'm just frumpy have had a run of ebay sellers in last few weeks who think thats just dandy to over charge  internationals. Maybe thats to do with recent hikes but more likley imo it's just aholes.
I know of several people who have pegged their 'handling fees' to the rapidly increasing price of gasoline since they have to drive to the post office.
Last time I shipped overseas it was around USD$18 to ship Global Priority (last year it was only ~USD$8). And that was just to Canada.Â
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| | 12/03/2007 11:11 AM |
| Posted By zenthrus on 12/03/2007 9:12 AM Posted By Bert the Troll on 12/02/2007 5:11 PM Posted By Ghendar on 11/30/2007 4:23 AM Posted By Bert the Troll on 11/29/2007 4:08 PM
 and to a lesser degree over charge on international postage, (lesser becasue everyone seems to want to gain extra profit from overseas 'postage') shows a company that will over charge where ever they can.
Are you sure it's overcharging Bert? I ask because postal rates here in the U.S. have recently gone wacky. I'm in the process of selling off some of my comic collection and shipping overseas is expensive these days. Comparing price on parcel with price of postage, yeah, I'm pretty sure its over charging. With Piazo too, its not a recent hike. Handling costs always seem the bulk of postage, and most times (not Piazo alone) it seems morer expensive to 'handle' if it is international. But I'm just frumpy have had a run of ebay sellers in last few weeks who think thats just dandy to over charge  internationals. Maybe thats to do with recent hikes but more likley imo it's just aholes. A lot of ebay sellers overcharge everyone. A major ebay tactic is keeping the auction price low but charging what they want to make as a profit in the shipping cost. Bah. Since I recycle shipping boxes I don't feel a need to tack on a 'handling fee.' I know of several people who have pegged their 'handling fees' to the rapidly increasing price of gasoline since they have to drive to the post office. Last time I shipped overseas it was around USD$18 to ship Global Priority (last year it was only ~USD$8). And that was just to Canada. 
I usually just try to make sure I won't lose money on the shipping, so i estimate a little high. nothing too exorbitant, of course. a dollar or two...
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622 Posts
| | 12/03/2007 12:41 PM |
| I just don't get some people's love affair with Paizo. And I'm speaking as a fan of the company- I own every part of every adventure path.
But c'mon- why the hell would you be more intrigued by Paizo's ownership? By and large, Paizo and WotC intermingle authors on an INSANELY regular basis.
Erik Mona has worked on:
* Expedition to Greyhawk, an excellent 3.5e adventure.
* Faiths and Pantheons, a fairly mediocre FR book.
* Fiendish Codex I, pretty solid book
* Fiend Folio. Meh.
Mike Mearls has worked on:
* Iron Heroes, an intriguing, if flawed, alternate d20 system from Malhavoc
* Arcana Unearthed (Mystic Secrets), which I know nothing about, but it's held in high esteem
* A couple of the best Goodman Games modules
So you have one of the biggies from Paizo having done extensive work for Wotc in the recent past, and one of the head designers for 4e having been intimately involved with two of the most popular third party publishers in existence. Why do you think that Mearls, Wyatt and Baker- all of whom, I might add, are in my top 5 or 10 list of top 3.x designers- would start to suck just because their work is now under the WotC banner? Why would James Jacobs and Erik Mona- both of whom also probably make that list- become so much better under a new company name?
the transition from 2e to 3e involved tons of fundamental shifts in D&D. Saves were completely redone. Armor Class was completely redone. Mutliclassing was so different that you might as well have called it by a different name. Feats, such an integral part of the game nowadays, were added to the game from out of nowhere. Monsters functioned completely differently. The list of changes goes on and on. In some ways, 4e rules changes have actually signaled a return to 1e philosophies (the simplified monster stat blocks, for example, the simplified skill system). What exactly about 4e- which by the way, we haven't even seen yet- makes you think that the departure is going to be even more radical than before?
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Bert the Troll
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3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 12/03/2007 4:10 PM |
| Posted By zenthrus on 12/03/2007 9:12 AM Posted By Bert the Troll on 12/02/2007 5:11 PM Posted By Ghendar on 11/30/2007 4:23 AM Posted By Bert the Troll on 11/29/2007 4:08 PM
 and to a lesser degree over charge on international postage, (lesser becasue everyone seems to want to gain extra profit from overseas 'postage') shows a company that will over charge where ever they can.
Are you sure it's overcharging Bert? I ask because postal rates here in the U.S. have recently gone wacky. I'm in the process of selling off some of my comic collection and shipping overseas is expensive these days. Comparing price on parcel with price of postage, yeah, I'm pretty sure its over charging. With Piazo too, its not a recent hike. Handling costs always seem the bulk of postage, and most times (not Piazo alone) it seems morer expensive to 'handle' if it is international. But I'm just frumpy have had a run of ebay sellers in last few weeks who think thats just dandy to over charge  internationals. Maybe thats to do with recent hikes but more likely imo it's just aholes. A lot of ebay sellers overcharge everyone. A major ebay tactic is keeping the auction price low but charging what they want to make as a profit in the shipping cost. Bah. Since I recycle shipping boxes I don't feel a need to tack on a 'handling fee.' I know of several people who have pegged their 'handling fees' to the rapidly increasing price of gasoline since they have to drive to the post office. Last time I shipped overseas it was around USD$18 to ship Global Priority (last year it was only ~USD$8). And that was just to Canada.Â
- completing a thread high jack -
I don't really mind paying cost of item including postage. I'm aware many do so to avoid what they see as excess fees, and dont really have an issue with that per se.
What makes me grumpy is that the cost gets bumped up a lot for international. So what for a US based customer might pay actual postage + $5 for handling, I often get (or quoted) charged actual postage plus $15-20 for handling.
To be fair, I have had a couple of sellers reimburse me when postage was too high, but most just want to gouge.Â
Eg last auction, 'flat rate international postage' charge to me $26 USD, actual postage on parcel: $7.20 USD.
Anyhow, 'nuff said
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, I might add, are in my top 5 or 10 list of top 3.x designers- would start to suck just because their work is now under the WotC banner?
I think that who you publish under has a big influence on what you produce. Gygax under TSR springs to mind as the most obvious.
You always write differently to where you intend it to go. Writing to an computer game magazine requires different tone to a RPG magazine.
Piazo often have more ... 'controversial' (for lack of a word), better content on their product range, seem to be less PG orientated.
There are company directions, and design briefs. The quality of writing can suffer if imagination isn't allowed adequate freedom of expression.
It may be a false impression, but I think if writing a module for Piazo over WoTC, for example you might have more freedom to have lizardmen tribes that acted quite differently to the Monster manual.
the transition from 2e to 3e involved tons of fundamental shifts in D&D.
I agree. I'd be surprised if there wasnt big shifts. | |
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Olaf the Stout
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| | 12/03/2007 9:49 PM |
| I like the adventures that Paizo put out but I don't think that they would have anywhere remotely close to the amount of money needed to buy the D&D license. Â In regards to their mini singles pricing, anyone that does a tiny little bit of price checking on the internet will be able to see that Paizo's prices are much higher than most other places you can buy singles from on the net.
Here is what Lisa Stevens, Paizo CEO said on the Paizo messageboards about how she goes about setting the prices for D&D minis singles: The prices on paizo.com are true market prices. About every month or so, I look at the mini sales. If a mini is just sitting there and not selling, I drop the price a bit. If the mini is selling out quickly, then I bump the price up a bit. If it seems to have steady but unremarkable sales, then they price stays where it is. In this way, the market forces of supply and demand on paizo.com dictate the prices for the minis. I don't bother comparing our prices to any other website or eBay. They are strictly driven by whether somebody is wiling to buy a miniature for the price listed here. So the prices are set by our customers. I think that is a pretty fair and democratic way to sell singles. :) -Lisa
So if what she is saying is true (and I have no reason to believe that she is lying about this) there must be quite a few people out there that are paying these crazy prices. Oh well, at least most of us here know better.
As for Paizo's shipping costs, I previously found their shipping costs to be very expensive compared to a couple of other places I buy stuff from over the internet (I'm also in Australia). However, since the recent change to the US postage system the Paizo shipping costs have come down.
In addition to that, the US postage system seems to have eliminated sea mail as a postage option. Prior to the change I made a few orders of gaming stuff from a US store online and got it shipped via sea mail. It would take up to 13 weeks to get here but the shipping costs weren't too bad.
Now I no longer have that option. The same store can only ship it to me fast or faster. It takes just over a week for thing to get to me in Oz now but it costs a lot more. That combined with the lower shipping costs at Paizo have brought them roughly into line with other online stores for me at least.
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| | 12/04/2007 9:00 AM |
| Yeah, people are buying them. It's easy to find, and the casual RPG layer doesn't want to bother finding the better shops, expecially if they aren't in the community, they don't have the chance to hear the best places/prices.
As P.T. said, there's one born every second.
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| | 12/04/2007 9:37 AM |
| Right, I'm going to start a thread pol under general discussion whether or not Maxminis members have bought singles from them.  Bwt, just to go back onto topic. Shouldn't we start a new Thread for December? | |
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Olaf the Stout
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| | 12/05/2007 2:38 PM |
| For anyone that is interested, here is the actual messageboard thread that I got my quote from Lisa Stevens, Paizo CEO, from:
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/community/gaming/dnd/archives/dDMinisAreTheyReallyWorthThat&page=1
Lisa's post is about 2/3's down the page.
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| | 12/12/2007 5:22 PM |
| cool, thanks.
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