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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
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San Jose, California
 | | 06/25/2008 2:44 AM |
| Quite personally, dice is chaotic and fun at times while a point buy like a 22 would yield stats like this:
10 - 18
10 - 14
10 - 13
10 - 10
10 - 10
10 - 10
28 point buy would do this:
18
14
14
12
10
10
Going a bit higher would almost simulate true heroes and allow for a
bit more durability in encounters and less rests. I saw how my last two
4e games went... Fight, fight, fight, rest, fight, fight, rest, fight,
fight, rest. Or the minor one I was part of yesterday (Monday) where we
had a near TPK with the standard array. I'm going to test the thought
of a standard array of more like this:
18, 16, 16, 14, 12, 10. This is equal to a 41 point buy and allows
more room for classes that needs one main stat and two good stats as
secondary. Fighters will go with Str, Con, Dex. Rogues and Rangers will
go with Dex, Cha, Con. Paladins and Clerics with Str, Wis, Con.
Warlocks and Wizards with Int, Con, Cha... Three main stats and the
standard array makes them fairly fragile in enounters and expends quite
a number of healing surges and the cleric being turned into a walking
bandaid like he was in 2e.
I find issues with that.
In another month I may start DMing, and once I find the right
formula, which I believe I have, I will have it used. Seriously, I like
dice rolling, it makes for some rather interesting results.
I personally like this chaos:
4d6, reroll once.
5d6, drop the two lowest.
Start with a 6 and roll 3d6 and drop the lowest.
For a super epic campaign, start with a 10 and roll 2d8 dropping the lowest.
Don't bash my love for rolling dice, because that is the fun of DnD.
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wicked cool
Underboss
2151 Posts
| | 06/25/2008 3:07 AM |
| | i wont bash but i dont mind the array. at first i did but most characters only need 1-2 high scores | |
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 06/25/2008 3:12 AM |
| Yeah, I find it to be true as well, except for the ones that depend on several stats to be effective. The Warlock is limited by far, much like the monk is in 3e with the 22 point buy.
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Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
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bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
| | 06/25/2008 5:39 AM |
| After watching multiple groups get mangled in Keep of the Shadowfell, and after watching a lot of character types, I tend to agree that the standard point buy is not cutting it for the challange level of 4E. I'm seeing either groups having to spend their dailys and action points in every encounter and then resting after each, or only wanting to play the more durable player types with lots of healing in order to succeed. Also with the standard point buy the classes that don't use weapons are handicapped by lack of proficiency bonus so badly that they can't diversify between action types. They have to base all their attacks on one stat and then pump that stat to the max.
I've never been a huge fan of power gamer stats and usually been pretty harsh on 3.5 character stat rolls. It's just 4E seems like you need 1 really good stat and then a couple of decent ones to compete with the monsters. Even more so if you want to play a wizard, warlock or implement cleric.
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Loquacious1
Sneak
61 Posts
San Diego, CA
| | 06/25/2008 8:28 AM |
| Our group finally got tot he end battle (with kal-El or whomever) and it pretty much became a TPK. Three different characters surged back up, and in the end, it was just my Rouge and kal El left (who hid by the portal constantly so people wouldn't want to attack him). Two characters had gotten pulled through the portal and anhilliated... so I said "You are going down... if I have to take you with me!!" and Bull Rushed him into the portal. A very Epic ending, but honestly, i'd have never have done it if it wasn't the ONLY way to take him out. I only had three hit points left, so I couldn't have dropped him--he wasn't even bloodied!
So I agree completely that the base array of stats didn't seem quite sufficent for that adventure... of course, it didn't hurt that the adventure was extremely heavy handed, either! My group has been playing for almost two decades, so it's not like we were just green. Ah, well! We'll see how the next one goes :) | | | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 06/25/2008 8:28 AM |
| I like Point buy systems, but I think this one is too low.
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 06/25/2008 1:54 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 06/25/2008 8:28 AM
I like Point buy systems, but I think this one is too low.
Yeah, a 28 point buy might just do it to make the PCs just durable enough not to slaughter them by accident. I don't care for doing TPKs when I'm DMing, but it happens. As it stands, 22 point buy would get you killed almost definitely in 2e, 3e it would be extremely rough if not impossible, and 4e suffers that too. 22 points is just too low considering the fact that con bonuses don't apply at every level, only max damage on criticals, and finally how the monsters all have nearly twice the HP of even the hardiest fighter at equal level.
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Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 06/25/2008 2:56 PM |
| 22 would be for a very low-power, low-fantasy campaign.
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