PaSquall
Underboss
1399 Posts
    
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| There are large ones from the beginning, we even have large uncommons now, but why so few tiny ones ? More would be cool, there are many tiny creatures not done.
Are they more difficult to make ? At least the few ones they did were of good quality IMO.
Maybe people are less interested in them ? | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 02/05/2006 3:42 PM |
| A pixie or sprite would be cool.
That being said it almost seems like a ripoff getting a tiny mini when you can get more bang for your buck with a large nasty monster. | | | |
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serithax
Warrior
342 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 3:46 PM |
| Thought about this too and there are only two reasons I can think of.
1. Painting smaller minis is more difficult if you are attempting the same paint quality. The mini is smaller so the same degree of detail requires more precision so this makes tiny harder to paint than a large and will make the painting process cost more. But I'm not sure how likely this would be.
2. Marketing works on the assumption that bigger is better. Large minis tend to be the ones that everyone wants. For various reasons of being impressive to just coincidence, the larger the better in many cases. Think of the top minis in most of the sets and you will see the trend. And to counter think of the duds of past sets such as Champion of Yondalla and Dromite Wilder.
Just my recent thoughts on it and there may be some other production issues too. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 3:56 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jacksonm
A pixie or sprite would be cool.
I believe these are both small monsters. | |
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Darastrix Maekrix
dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 4:02 PM |
| The game isn't filled with a lot of tiny-sized miniatures, either. Currently, the two most wanted are the Stirge (which should be a common tiny!) and the pseudodragon (mostly as a familiar and it won the Tiny minature contest on WotC). The fey would certainly follow right after these two.
From past reports, they are difficult to paint, and the miniatures lose quite a bit when they start adding too many colours to the palette for tiny miniatures. I can imagine the process of painting them slows down as well, since it takes a finer, slower brush to add in details.
Thus far, the quasit and imp are mostly one solid body colour, with minor colour additions. Reasons why the Stirge and Pseudodragon would be relatively easy to produce. | |
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madda
Sergeant
714 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 4:08 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
quote:
Originally posted by jacksonm
A pixie or sprite would be cool.
I believe these are both small monsters.
Most sprites are indeed small (pixies and nixies) but Grig is tiny.
I'd go with Stirge and Pseudodragon for tiny monsters (and a Cat and Homunculus wouldn't make me cry as well).
That said, I fully understand WotC. I'm not sure people are quite as happy getting tiny minis when they can get medium or larger. I know I am and felt great getting Imp and Quasit but I guess most do not. | |
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 4:16 PM |
| I'll be happy to get the pseudodragon and stirge, but beyond that there aren't too many tiny monsters that play a significant role in combat (not counting swarms, which I love to use!).
I do look forward to the flameskull, since I can use it for Acerak the Demilich! | |
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forkedmoon
Underboss
1305 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 4:25 PM |
| | Have you seen the Axis and Allies minis? Really tiny minis rot. | |
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Mrs. Rune
Warrior
230 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 4:32 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by serithax
Thought about this too and there are only two reasons I can think of.
1. Painting smaller minis is more difficult if you are attempting the same paint quality. The mini is smaller so the same degree of detail requires more precision so this makes tiny harder to paint than a large and will make the painting process cost more. But I'm not sure how likely this would be.
I personally like the tiny minis, they are "cute". But that being said, Rune just repainted an imp? and I know he made quite a few comments on how tiny it was and hard to paint. I think that is why he hasn't painted any of the Reaper Familiars I got him yet...
But from a skirmish standpoint, I can't see a qausit standing up to a hill giant[)] Thay probably don't add much to your warband (but I could be wrong!) | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6809 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 02/05/2006 4:36 PM |
| | I like tiny miniatures. I wouldn't want a tiny rare, but I have several imps and quasits for subs for other tiny minis since they are the only two produced so far. | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3403 Posts
Netherlands
| | 02/05/2006 5:04 PM |
| tiny figures are cool, but I'd like to see maximum of 2 per set and no rare tinies.
Imp, Quasit, and Flameskull are very good choices so far imho, we'll see if there is another one in WotDQ.
D. | |
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spikegif
Warlord
5699 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 5:06 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
I like tiny miniatures. I wouldn't want a tiny rare, but I have several imps and quasits for subs for other tiny minis since they are the only two produced so far.
A tiny rare just would not fly, the small rares are all but worthless. Just think about getting your 2-3 cases and you pull one in each case. you go to your release event and pull another one. The small rares do not trade well and you cannot not give them away, what would you do with the tiny rare? (this all depends on the creature they use though) | |
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Zaukrie
Underboss
2007 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 5:45 PM |
| They wouldn't be a great marketing piece, I don't think. It would be crushing to get a stirge rare, but it probably is very hard to paint, making it likely to be an uncommon.
Plus, having just started to paint, I can say for certainty that big minis are easier to paint. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/05/2006 5:57 PM |
| Tiny minis *can* be hard to paint.
If you had your choice, which would you rather see:
Common stirge - a reddish brown stirge creature with yellow dots for eyes, and no other coloration, except a quick blackwash for shading.
Uncommon stirge - the same figure in structure, but it starts with a black base that has been brushed with reddish/orange paint to give the crevices greater depth, and has been given touches like blood on the probiscus.
I'd pick the common version every time ... | |
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 6:32 PM |
| I couldn't even fathom what a tiny rare would be. It'd have to be some seriously powerful tiny or I'd be pissed. I'm all for tinys personally. I think the Stirge and quite a few other things would be cool to have. Although I can picture the Stirge coming to us in swarm form more likely. Faeries would be cool. Ones that shoot lightning bolts! Yeah that's the ticket!
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dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 6:58 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by spikegif
quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
I like tiny miniatures. I wouldn't want a tiny rare, but I have several imps and quasits for subs for other tiny minis since they are the only two produced so far.
A tiny rare just would not fly, the small rares are all but worthless. Just think about getting your 2-3 cases and you pull one in each case. you go to your release event and pull another one. The small rares do not trade well and you cannot not give them away, what would you do with the tiny rare? (this all depends on the creature they use though)
You could certainly send any of them you don't want to me! [)] | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6809 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 02/05/2006 7:24 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by spikegif
A tiny rare just would not fly
But all the tiny uncommons fly ... [:D] | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6809 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 02/05/2006 7:28 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
Tiny minis *can* be hard to paint.
If you had your choice, which would you rather see:
Common stirge - a reddish brown stirge creature with yellow dots for eyes, and no other coloration, except a quick blackwash for shading.
Uncommon stirge - the same figure in structure, but it starts with a black base that has been brushed with reddish/orange paint to give the crevices greater depth, and has been given touches like blood on the probiscus.
I'd pick the common version every time ...
I definitely vote for the less detailed common. | |
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Thor
Underboss
1938 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 7:28 PM |
| I could dig tiny Stirges if they were commons....
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Sergeant
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 02/05/2006 11:35 PM |
| | i love tiny miniatures even that i hate the "Can´t Make AoO" they are very detailed and i like them a lot, i hope more comes for new settings. [:D] | |
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 2:07 AM |
| I personally like to see a War Falcon or something of the sort. Then have a Falconer mini that has it as a minion. Just because I think it'd be cool.
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 02/06/2006 6:31 AM |
| The arrow hawk could be an interesting idea; Flying!,
the hummunculus is my next idea, what about tiny living spells? | |
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Monsoon28
Underboss
2313 Posts
Toronto
| | 02/06/2006 7:25 AM |
| Well the Quasit and Imp we two of my Must haves in the sets they were released in, in fact while I was opening my case of Angelfire back in the summer, this was pretty much the one mini I was looking forward to from the Uncommon selection.
Mephits are must as well! Sure their small so why haven't seen a single one!
A single tiny (C/UnC) in every set until some of the most popular RPG pieces are done, would make many people happy.
PS: While I'm against the idea of a cat mini, I'm totally happy with the idea of a Tressym mini! | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 8:37 AM |
| I'm certainly interested in more tiny creatures. What I'd love to see are familiars for the skirmish game. Somthing that perks up spell casters (perhaps spellcasters whose cost is less than 50 pts or something...).
Pseudodragon is obviously my first choice!
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Sharn Inquisitor
Underboss
1623 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 8:58 AM |
| | I would speculate that the reason for less tiny figures simply has to do with the fact that I assume they are more difficult to sculpt. That, and a box of DDM aren't exactly cheap when you think about it, and too many tiny figures might beg the question, why the same price? | | | |
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kyrin
Commander
3168 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 9:08 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sharn Inquisitor
I would speculate that the reason for less tiny figures simply has to do with the fact that I assume they are more difficult to sculpt. That, and a box of DDM aren't exactly cheap when you think about it, and too many tiny figures might beg the question, why the same price?
And yet, when there's the possibility of THREE larges in a booster, we DON'T ask, "Why not a higher price?" Funny how that works...
For my part, I don't much care about tinys in this set, since Shoe has said my beloved Stirges will not be in this set. [:(] *Snif*
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 9:21 AM |
| I think that one tiny mini per set would be great. Maybe even two!
We could really use a few for some fun like the stirges, but I like Pat's idea for the familiars. Give them some sort of bonus if they start play next to a spell caster, or better yet give the spell caster the bonus. This could be fun and add to the game. | |
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Sharn Inquisitor
Underboss
1623 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 9:43 AM |
| | Don't cry, dry your eye. I wouldn't mind a tiny in each set, that would be great by me. Lord knows, they are easier to store than behemoth larges like the Balor, etc. | | | |
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Marjorie
Underboss
1141 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 10:25 AM |
| I love the well-detailed small and tiny figs, and I think we could use more tinies. The Imp was a must-have fig for me, and I"m thinking the flameskull will be as well.
I would love to see some tiny mephits, fey and familiars in the game. | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 02/06/2006 10:28 AM |
| | I´m wondering how familiars would work for skirmish game??? [:0] they would be an excellent RPG resource. | |
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 02/06/2006 11:45 AM |
| | I am surprised that most of the familiars in the PHB haven't been made yet. They would be excellent additions to the skirmish games (adding a small perk to spellcasters, HP, Ac bonus, movement, save bonus etc) and every PRG game I've played in has had a need for familiar miniatures (otherwise they are forgotten!). A stirge common would be very welcome too. I wouldn't want a rare tiny but uncommon would be OK with me (and I have loved the 2 tiny miniatures I have gotten so far). | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1366 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 12:51 PM |
| | The only tiny rare I can imagine is the aforementioned demi-lich. It would be a rare in terms of its power, but I don't know if the quality would be high enough to make it feel like a good rare. Ulmo and the dromite come to mind as small rares whose quality I wasn't impressed with. | | | |
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Zoons
Underboss
1066 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 1:39 PM |
| I think 1 tiny each set or two would be great. I wouldn't want to be at a tourney and open multiples though, so I'd like to see one as the max. I can't think of any really necessesary RPG pieces that would need to be rare and tiny.
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Darastrix Maekrix
dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 6:23 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by johnny.quest
The only tiny rare I can imagine is the aforementioned demi-lich. It would be a rare in terms of its power, but I don't know if the quality would be high enough to make it feel like a good rare. Ulmo and the dromite come to mind as small rares whose quality I wasn't impressed with.
Even then, I'd be happy with it as an uncommon. It's a skull with gems in its sockets. Even if it had an epic card, I would really be annoyed with a tiny rare. I simply could not see it as a viable choice. | |
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yack
Commander
3270 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 02/06/2006 9:09 PM |
| Pseudodragon is next must on my tiny list then Striges, then mephits.
The Flame skull was a nice suprise and I want about 4 of them. | |
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