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02/16/2006 11:22 PM  
This may belong in off topic, but just for fun I seached ebay for the newest mini the sand giant.

this was seen for the first time yesterday and there are already six being offered, preorder, on Ebay.

http://toys.search.ebay.com/sand-giant_Toys-Hobbies_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR40QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ220

all offered by creep1962??? where have I heard that name before???

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02/16/2006 11:33 PM  
Pre-order singles are a funny concept since the sellers are counting on receiving enough stock in their cases. What happens if they presell more than they pull?

I've purchased from creep1962. Somewhat inconsistent. Orders either took over two months to arrive or arrived in less than a week.

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02/16/2006 11:44 PM  
there were a couple of threads a few weeks after Underdark came out about a couple of presellers,in texas I believe, who couldn't meet there orders and shafted a few of the members here.

I'm pretty sure they are listed in jsugden's signature.


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02/17/2006 12:19 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by maijstral

there were a couple of threads a few weeks after Underdark came out about a couple of presellers,in texas I believe, who couldn't meet there orders and shafted a few of the members here.

I'm pretty sure they are listed in jsugden's signature.




My friend was one of these buyers that did not receive his set. The seller is making it up to him slowly by sending rares to him.

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02/17/2006 1:04 AM  
I don't think it is honest to sell something that you don't for sure have like that.

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02/17/2006 1:44 AM  
I completly agree with you but he does not feel like fighting it and he wants the rares so saelave.

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02/17/2006 1:54 AM  
I refuse to buy anything from Creep1962. His whole game is to overcharge on shipping. He buys minis, and then turns around and sell them with inflated shipping.

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02/17/2006 2:06 AM  
quote:
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I completly agree with you but he does not feel like fighting it and he wants the rares so saelave.



I was directing that comment more at sellers than purchasers. If the purchaser bought something that the seller didn't really have, it is a problem with the seller.

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02/17/2006 2:25 AM  
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I refuse to buy anything from Creep1962. His whole game is to overcharge on shipping. He buys minis, and then turns around and sell them with inflated shipping.

As an FYI, the shipping is clearly listed in his auctions. As shipping costs also include handling costs, it is fairly common for sellers to charge more than the pure cost of materials and shipping charges for the S&H for an auction.

I've purchased from him in the past and had no problems. He does not appear to be related to the Sherman Texas sellers that posed problems in the past (ses_games, ckgames, fantasy_quest_dist).

I purchased a few preorder items from him for WD. Should he prove unreliable, I will make sure people hear about it ...

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02/17/2006 2:28 AM  
Weird. I've purchased from both ses_games and ckgames in the past and have had no problems - I've come to see them as trusted sellers.

What were the issues with them? Worrying.

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02/17/2006 2:50 AM  
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I completly agree with you but he does not feel like fighting it and he wants the rares so saelave.



Reading that made my brain hurt [)]

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02/17/2006 3:03 AM  
I've preordered a case of clix-figures ones from Creep1962 they arrived at me after one set later. That's 3 months later!

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02/17/2006 3:08 AM  
Yeah my only experience with Creep is a bad one. I personally feel his name is very descriptive of the way he treats customers. As Ebay sellers go he's a CREEP!

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02/17/2006 3:12 AM  
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Weird. I've purchased from both ses_games and ckgames in the past and have had no problems - I've come to see them as trusted sellers.

What were the issues with them? Worrying.
Take a strole through my signature.

They have a long and repeated history of selling stuff they do not have. Sometimes they try to get the stuff (and end up shipping months late), and sometimes they fail to ship at all. Some of their transactions have gone through without problems, but an unacceptable number have had significant problems. In addition to selling materials they do not have, they have lied about the status of orders or repeated occassions.

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ses_games has done no business recently and has privatized their feedback.

ckgames has nothing but negative feedback over the last month and is no longer a registered user.

fantasy_quest_dist has made their feedback private, but has 75 negative feedbacks in the last month. The last time I saw feedback before it went private, it appeared that they had stopped filling orders and just walked off with the money they had collected.

These three sellers have no auctions up at this time. As the weeks leading up to a set release are their 'bread and butter' time as a miniatures seller, and they are doing no sales at this time, it does not appear they are in the EBay miniatures business anymore.

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02/17/2006 5:54 AM  
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quote:
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I completly agree with you but he does not feel like fighting it and he wants the rares so saelave.



Reading that made my brain hurt [)]

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Well, so far for the rabies reference. I thought he meant "saliva".

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02/17/2006 6:17 AM  
Concerning creep1962, I have bought items 3 or 4 times from him. There is (still) a pending issue with a rare he has to send to me, but I believe he will do it with my next purchasement (I was the one that proposed this arrangement, so the delay is not his fault).

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02/17/2006 7:09 AM  
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I've purchased from creep1962. Somewhat inconsistent. Orders either took over two months to arrive or arrived in less than a week.



His shipping is frequently slow and his shipping costs a bit high. At one time, he was flatly refusing to combine shipping on his auctions. That put me off right away and I'll not purchase from him again. Especially when there are truly great ebay sellers like Auggest and Hubb.

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02/17/2006 7:36 AM  
I'm not saying it was creep... and I'm pretty sure it wasn't. But I have bought from pre-sale auction for Underdark on singles and will never do it again. It took way too long too get what I wanted because your not the only one that they send, many orders.
It took over a month after the release too get the minis. I could have just bought them straight off someone else at that time.
So I'm warning people..if you buy pre-sale don't expect it on time! Too be honest I think its a waste. Your not getting it any sooner.

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02/17/2006 7:45 AM  
I'll throw my hat into the disliking of Creeps habit's as well.

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02/17/2006 7:53 AM  
got a link to Hubb's ebay store?

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02/17/2006 8:02 AM  
You can check the link at the end for my store, but I was going to comment on the pre-orders. I list 10 of each rare for pre-order and I will 100% guarantee that I will have all 10 of those in stock to send out. I purposefully list below what I will actually get in to be safe. I order 30 cases of each set, which comes out to an average of 15 of each rare, and when you order that many cases the average comes out within 1 or 2 every time. Plus I have to leave room to take my D&D groups figures out of the cases as well. Thankfully my group pays me by helping me sort all 30 cases on the day of release and fill my orders so I can ship on the day after the release pretty much all of my orders. But as for pre-orders I can tell you, that you are safe with me having enough in stock.

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02/17/2006 8:21 AM  
Added Hubb to my "Favorite Sellers list".

Could anyone send the link to Auggie? I've never been able to find him, but I've always heard good things.

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02/17/2006 8:24 AM  
And let us not forget what the CREEP is trying to do right now - artificially set an inflated price for rares in an unreleased set...get everyone "use" to seeing them for $14.95 buy it now before they are even out!

And then charge $3.25 + $1 for each additional? I can't believe anyone on here would One - buy anything from him, and Two - have anything positive to say about him!

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02/17/2006 8:32 AM  
quote:
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I refuse to buy anything from Creep1962. His whole game is to overcharge on shipping. He buys minis, and then turns around and sell them with inflated shipping.



Yup that is his game alright. He tried to hit me with extra shipping charges when i won an auction with 5 minis in it. His line was that the extra shipping was per miniature not per auction (despite what it said in his auction listing).

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02/17/2006 8:47 AM  
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Added Hubb to my "Favorite Sellers list".

Could anyone send the link to Auggie? I've never been able to find him, but I've always heard good things.



Auggies has some good deals:

http://stores.ebay.com/Auggies-Games-n-Movies_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQQtZkm

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02/17/2006 8:55 AM  
My problem with Auggie is that he doesn't ship to Canada. [B)]

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My problem with Auggie is that he doesn't ship to Canada. [B)]



Move to the fun country then [:p][)][:o)]

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02/17/2006 9:32 AM  
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My problem with Auggie is that he doesn't ship to Canada. [B)]



I think he posted here a while pack saying that he would ship anywhere if you asked first. Might want to shoot him an email if you're interested, he is the best minis dealer on ebay if you want recent stuff, IMHO.

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02/17/2006 10:15 AM  
Well the Sherman Texas sellers were all the same operation from what I could tell from the return addresses on the packages they shipped. I bought a decent amount from all three, but suffer some losses towards the end. I suspect that they got overwhelmed and over their collective heads in orders and if they did not have an efficient sales and tracking scheme got cooked. As noted they have gone the private route on feedback, and I generally make it a rule to avoid dealing with anyone on EBAY who has a private feedback.

As for presales, I have picked up some that way in the past, but most of the sellers are now savy enough that you find very few deals out there to jump on. Either they have high enough start bids or BIN's that you will not come out ahead of the game as you once might have been able to, when the whole nature of the market was less well understood. Pricing knowledge has matured for both buyers and sellers so it is harder to find bargains.

Back in DragonEye days, many sellers were preselling all rares at the same price, so you would pay the same for a LFM as a LRD! I know I jumped on a number of the dragon offerings when I saw them, correctly guessing that the LRD would be worth a lot more than average, while the LFM and others would bring the average down.

What I see current presellers doing is a better job of assessing the future market value of the minis in the upcoming set, and pricing them accordingly. Sure we would all like to get the cool minis for cheap, but as a business model, that only leads to one place, private feedback and out of business. If you look at the completed sales of many of the sellers in these auctions, you will find a sizeable number of sales to their credit. The entire buying market does not have the knowledge or insight that the typical die hard poster on this forum possesses.

Taking it back to my Dog Track days, with some work and study of the subject matter, you can beat the house, you can pick the greyhounds who have a much better odds of winning than the tote board is posting. Many players at the track are not betting on knowledge, but on favorite numbers, or colors or even if the dog took a dump before getting in the starting box. Other factors did have demonstatable affect on outcomes in a given race, and those could also be studied and in fact known even before the starting gun went off. Post position is a huge factor in the 5/16 race. The size of the dog played an important role as well. Absolute speed or finish times was a factor, but often trumped by other events. Style of running was the last and most important criteria and that was only available by watching the races in person. Some dogs loved to hug the rail, while other ran wide on the turns. Others had slow starts (which would keep them clear of opening turn collisions), but amazing closing speed. Tying all those factors togther, it was very possible to routinely come home with more money in the pocket than when you left.

Now that more sellers know the market, have done their research, the odds of getting a big score are lower.

As for shipping (AND HANDLING) charges, most sellers are reasonable there. The per mini or per auction charges are usually clearly stated. If you think about how long it takes someone to find, package and put together the labels and the final box, and turn that into an hourly wage, things do not look as crazy. If it takes me 10 minutes to gather the minis and cards for 5 auctions, and another 5 to pack them up, and I charge $3+1+1+1+1 for the five sales, that is $7 for shipping and Handling. Well close to $3 of that goes to postage, leaving $4 for handling and supplies. It is more cost effective to buy new boxes than it is to pay someone to clean up used boxes for reuse. That knocks off some more money. Crank if down or up and it leaves $10 to $20 bucks an hour for wages. Not outrageous by any means.

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02/17/2006 10:27 AM  
I don't think it's just the cost, it's the attitude.

I've bought from some sellers previously mentioned, and would not do so again. I got my mini's between 7 and 28 days, and when asked, you get attitude and rants.
You can't leave a true business experience, because they don't leave feedback unless you leave negative or neutral. At that point they hammer you with negatives. If I only buy 2 or 3 things a month, that 1 or 2 negatives that I didn't deserve hurt me a lot worse then the 1 or two that seller gets compared to his 100-300 a month.

If it was as expensive for some creepy people to ship and handle as they claim, why are the "good" sellers on ebay not forced to do that?
Just compare shipping between Auggie and sme of the previously mentioned sellers.


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02/17/2006 10:55 AM  
Well I'll give my input on the shipping charges. I ship everything priority, base rate for priority is $4.05 now, so that is my starting rate. I now have a flat rate .10 for each additional mini. This helps cover the costs of the weight as it increases, and also helps to offset some of the e-bay and paypal fees. I am not looking at it as paying for my time, as the profit I am turning is paying for that from the figures themselves. I do think some people just get in over their heads. I have felt overwhelmed at times, shoot Tuesday night I had 22 packages to get ready, and part of that is because I do my best to ship within 48 hours of receiving payment, which means you will have your items in under a week after payment if you are in the US. Others I know don't hold to those standards, but that is coming from someone that works in a customer service, Technical service environment every day at work.

And as for Zenako's comments about prices being set a little more for future demand, I try my best to anticipate the market, I set prices and I modify as the market demands, especially on new releases. Some items will go up, some will go down. The Chimera is gonna continue to go up from my estimates, but prices in general for the rares are staying about 9.95 almost across the board, there are a few exceptions...the wardrummer for example, but beyond that they are selling well and demand will continue to keep the prices up. Yeah some people will offer incredible deals and won't make much money off of their deals, those will sell out and the prices will return to the were everyone else is offering at. After the release prices will drop, and settle into a more reasonable area as well. The fact remains that if people want specific figures quickly after the release they are going to pay higher prices, if they want to wait a month after release they can probably find a better deal, but it may be they are looking for one of the hot figures that has actually gone up. Anyway enough ranting and back to work for me. And darn it someone needs to get ahold of the set poster so I can get everything up and listed on E-bay! :P

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02/17/2006 10:58 AM  
For the first time ever I bought presale with underdark, I bought from auggie and had no problems.

A few of the minis I knew I wanted mulitiples of so I figured I would buy a couple of them before the set came out. I ordered a week befroe the set release,just after prerelease, and got my minis about a week and a half after the release.

One problem I had with preordering was if I pulled to many of a mini I preordered. It massively backfired on me with the battle plate marshal, I wanted two and since I ordered two cases I figured odds were with me I would pull only one but I pulled 3 so now i'm slapping my head for paying for one on ebay, I only paid 4 bucks so it wasn't to bad just the priciple of the thing.

There is a couple of mini's I will preorder from auggie again,provided he offers them, my original comments were about mini's being offered for sale miniutes after they are previewed, I thought it was funny.
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02/17/2006 11:06 AM  
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quote:
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I completly agree with you but he does not feel like fighting it and he wants the rares so saelave.



Reading that made my brain hurt [)]

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quote:
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My problem with Auggie is that he doesn't ship to Canada. [B)]


I have ordered from him before... maybe you just need to ask him to ship? The options I think are set up US or "rest of world" so maybe he's not cool shipping to europe, but will ship to us.


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02/17/2006 11:50 AM  
Shipping to Canada is intrinsically no more expensive than shipping to the US, however, you cannot use Delivery Confirmation for international packages. That might be the root cause. Too many people can claim to have never recieved your package. With DC you at least have recourse to the information that it was delivered to the destination on the shipping label. There are some rather expensive insured shipping options, but very few buyers are interested in those type of costs.

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02/17/2006 12:15 PM  
There's also an additional time factor in shipping to CANADA. There is a form to fill out and describe the product etc.... Once again, time is money.

But I know I get nervous shipping to Canada myself because of the lack of DC thing.

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02/17/2006 12:47 PM  
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quote:
Originally posted by Marjorie

My problem with Auggie is that he doesn't ship to Canada. [B)]


I have ordered from him before... maybe you just need to ask him to ship? The options I think are set up US or "rest of world" so maybe he's not cool shipping to europe, but will ship to us.



I ordered from him as well, so Europe isn't a problem either. he just has some other fees for shipping oversees, which is perfectly normal. shoot him an e-mail and everything will be fine.

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02/17/2006 12:57 PM  
That is good to hear, I had seen Auggie's website and noticed the great price but the refusal to ship to Canada. Now I know, thanks. Greyhaze, do you remember her rates for Canadian shipping/ combined shipping ?

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02/17/2006 3:28 PM  
Well, charging an additional $1 for each mini in shipping/handling is absurd, i don't care what business model Zenako is using...

i just got a shipment of ~100 minis and the postage on the box was $2.69. I paid a $3.50 flat rate shipping charge to the seller.

If someone needs to charge more then that...[v]

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02/17/2006 3:37 PM  
Good customer service/relations is worth more than a couple of bucks in handling fees. I've done a lot of business with Mr. Vianey (aka Auggie) and have ALWAYS been surprised at how far he goes out of the way to ensure your transactions are smooth.

Whenever I sell on ebay I always charge the flat-rate for Priority (domestic or global) and try not to ship to countries that won't allow Priority mail.

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