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02/23/2006 3:55 AM  
I figure with 4 warforged in Wardrums, I don't mind 1 or even 2, they are kool for skirmish, but 4 is redonkulis. Especially for people who don't play ebberron. Does anyone play Ebberron?

So I think there were 6 Giant types in GOL. So because of the 4 warforged overkill, I would like to see 10 dragon types in WotDQ.
even one draconian would make of for it, but...

here is the wishlist

The dark queen
Platinum dragon
Huge blue dracolich
Large green
Large black
Large White
Huge Blue (more likly to be a HUGE green, because of the dracolich)
medium or small copper
large Gold
Huge Silver (actually a huge CG dragon is more likly.)

not likly but there is the WotDQ wish list.

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02/23/2006 4:01 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by KAGE

Especially for people who don't play ebberron. Does anyone play Ebberron?


LOTS of people play Eberron.

quote:
Originally posted by KAGE

So I think there were 6 Giant types in GOL. So because of the 4 warforged overkill, I would like to see 10 dragon types in WotDQ.
even one draconian would make of for it, but...


Going overboard in retaliation is just silly. If the designers can come up with 10 dragons that we will really be able to use then that's great, but don't make 10 dragons just for the sake of getting back at those who play Eberron.

It's deja vu all over again.
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02/23/2006 4:20 AM  
Instead of "getting even," what about balancing out some old with the new?


Instead of Warforged and goblins, how about:

Knights of Solamnia:
Knight of the Crown (C)
Knight of the Sword (U)
Knight of the Rose (R)

Knights of Neraka:
Knight of the Thorn (R)
Knight of the Skull (U)
Knight of the Lily (C)

I think I have Nerakan knights correct, but my memory's hazy after 3am.

They'd help satisfy DL fans, and they could be used by anyone in any gaming world together or idependently.

I would also love to see the missing Draconians:

Bozak (U)
Sivak (U) (large) <-- just some hopeful luv!
Aurak (R)

I'm pretty sure even Lab Monkey would go ape [)] over these selections.

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02/23/2006 4:28 AM  
3 Draconians don't bother me so much (they can always sub for Half-Dragons and such) but 6 knight types? Gah.

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02/23/2006 4:52 AM  
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3 Draconians don't bother me so much (they can always sub for Half-Dragons and such) but 6 knight types? Gah.



Well, they're hordes DL fans could seriously use. Besides, they'd be one-shots. You'd never have to see them again. Certainly easier to stomach than a more recent "race" with such a miniscule history.

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02/23/2006 7:32 AM  
I want too see some more classic monsters. Yes we got the Chimera finally (I'll need at least 2) but where are the other ?
Dragons lots of them!!! (evil ones please)
Blink Dog
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Peryton
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WE have enough Trogs!!!(wow we don't use them that much!) What about a lizardman shamman!
There was just way too much new stuff in Wardrums.

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02/23/2006 7:45 AM  
My wish list for War of the Dragon Queen:

Huge black dragon
Huge green dragon
Huge blue dragon
Large black dragon
Large green dragon
Large water elemental
Marilith

I'm sure we won't get all those dragons in one set, but at least one of these huge chromatic and one of these large chromatic dragons are essential to me out of this set, or I'll be sorely dissapointed. And if they have such a chromatic dragon but ruin it with a rider, I would be worse than dissapointed. But I have high hopes for this set. Surely we are bound to get some of the chromatic dragons we really need in a set themed around dragons!


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02/23/2006 7:52 AM  
Im expecting to see the following minis in WODQ

Sammaster
Something riding a Large Dragon
The Bad guy from RHoD
Some Abashi Devils
Platinum Knight
Huge Brass Dragon
Half Black Dragon (Based on the art in MM1)
Non standard Dragons

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02/23/2006 8:15 AM  
Warforged are as much about war as draconians are about Dragons. Warforged are part of the theme of the set. Now as for WotDQ I'd like to see Bahumat's(sp? not into Dragons *sorry D*) reborn. Some other goodies for the good factions. How about a 32 point hitter for LG or is this only reserved for LE.

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02/23/2006 8:22 AM  
The following make the most sense to me.

Salamander (R) (large)
Bozak (U)
Sivak (U) (large)
Aurak (R)
Huge Silver Dragon
Aspect of Tiamat (Huge)
Huge Blue Dracolich
Large Green Dragon
Large Gold/Brass Dragon
Small Copper Dragon

Black/Blue Samurai

If they had this, I could care less what the rest of the set was, Im sold

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02/23/2006 8:24 AM  
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Sivak (U) (large) <-- just some hopeful luv!

I really wanna get a chance to see that awesome sword they carry.

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02/23/2006 12:29 PM  
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quote:
Originally posted by KAGE

Especially for people who don't play ebberron. Does anyone play Ebberron?


LOTS of people play Eberron.

quote:
Originally posted by KAGE

So I think there were 6 Giant types in GOL. So because of the 4 warforged overkill, I would like to see 10 dragon types in WotDQ.
even one draconian would make of for it, but...


Going overboard in retaliation is just silly. If the designers can come up with 10 dragons that we will really be able to use then that's great, but don't make 10 dragons just for the sake of getting back at those who play Eberron.



i'm not saying it to get back at those who play ebberron or going overboard in retaliation. I will still collect and play the entire set

I'm just saying with so many ebberron in this set, never mind 4 warforged in one set, it shouldn't be unreasonable to hope for atleast 10 dragons in a set dedicated to dragons, in the "year of the dragon"

if they can over kill warforged in one set, I think they could sertainly overkill dragons in a set, I don't think they would get any complaints from that.

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02/23/2006 12:32 PM  
quote:
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Does anyone play Ebberron?




I'm currently playing in an Eberron campaign, but even I don't need 4 warforged in one set.

still better than gnomes

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02/23/2006 12:34 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by dariustad

Instead of "getting even," what about balancing out some old with the new?


Instead of Warforged and goblins, how about:

Knights of Solamnia:
Knight of the Crown (C)
Knight of the Sword (U)
Knight of the Rose (R)

Knights of Neraka:
Knight of the Thorn (R)
Knight of the Skull (U)
Knight of the Lily (C)

I think I have Nerakan knights correct, but my memory's hazy after 3am.

They'd help satisfy DL fans, and they could be used by anyone in any gaming world together or idependently.

I would also love to see the missing Draconians:

Bozak (U)
Sivak (U) (large) <-- just some hopeful luv!
Aurak (R)

I'm pretty sure even Lab Monkey would go ape [)] over these selections.



What about a dragon highlord? what be fantastic commander for LE, and would hopfully have a more usefull commander effect then mina for dragons.

I forsure would like to see atleast
1 knight, 1 draconian (ok 3 draconians), and 1 dragon highlord.

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02/23/2006 12:38 PM  
oh yeah, Platinum Knight or a few of the PrC's fromt the Draconomicon would be a nice addition.

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02/23/2006 12:41 PM  
My wishes: Huge elementals.

These are *the* most commonly seen huge creatures in games. When I heard about GoL, I was trying to guess whether they'd include 2 or 4 of them ... and I laughed at the idea that they'd include none of them. Now, as WotDQ approaches and floating evidence has begun to hint at some of our 12 huges, I'm getting worried that we've seen no hints of huge elementals yet ...

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02/23/2006 12:43 PM  
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still better than gnomes

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02/23/2006 12:47 PM  
huge monstrous spider

large uncommon spider

large uncommon fire and water elemental

large uncommon cavalry

and lots of dragons (all sizes!!!)

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02/23/2006 12:56 PM  
You guys are deluding yourselves if you think you are going to get that many dragons in WoTDQ.

You might get two larges, and a few mediums and small but expecting 4 Large Dragons, the Dragon Aspects, and 4 Huge Dragons is a bit pushing it...

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02/23/2006 1:02 PM  
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I'm just saying with so many ebberron in this set, never mind 4 warforged in one set


There are 9 Eberron figures in War Drums. There were 9 in Aberrations (the last Starter Set), and fewer in the sets in between (Deathknell had 6, IIRC - Angelfire and Underdark had ~4-5 each). Yes, warforged are difficult to proxy as other figures, and I agree that four at once is a bit much even for a fan like myself.

I'd love to see some more draconians (if nothing else, they make excellent half-dragon proxies!) and a Dragon Highlord and a Knight of Solamnia and/or Neraka sound OK by me, too.

Raistlin is a given, but I don't see a need for the rest of the companions.

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02/23/2006 1:06 PM  
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You might get two larges, and a few mediums and small but expecting 4 Large Dragons, the Dragon Aspects, and 4 Huge Dragons is a bit pushing it...



Yeah, that's a bit extreme. They'll never put that many on one set.

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02/23/2006 1:06 PM  
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You guys are deluding yourselves if you think you are going to get that many dragons in WoTDQ.

You might get two larges, and a few mediums and small but expecting 4 Large Dragons, the Dragon Aspects, and 4 Huge Dragons is a bit pushing it...


I'm pretty sure this will be the case as well. I think there'll be 1 Large dragon, 2 Mediums, and 2 Smalls. Maybe one Tiny. I'm betting on 2 Huges (Silver and Black), along with the Dracolich and the Aspect of Tiamat.

The "filler" thematic minis will include some Abishai, Half-Dragons, more Dragon Samurai, Draconians, and PrCs out of Draconomicon and Races of the Dragon.

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02/23/2006 1:14 PM  
Maybe someone with loads of spare time can organize a WotDQ called shot thread? The War Drums one was a lot of fun.

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02/23/2006 1:15 PM  
I think it's pretty much a given that Wizards isn't going to support a setting like Dragonlance as much as they support their two flagship settings, Eberron and the Forgotten Realms. It's just economics.

That being said, I expect a lot of dragon-type monsters in WotDQ. Here's a sample list of potentials:

Rage Drake(L) (MM3)
Dracotaur(L) (MM3)
Blue Abishai (MoF, RHoD)
Blue Draconic Heritage Hobgoblin Sorceror (RHoD)
Hobgoblin Monk with Dragonchain (RHoD)
A Rare Draconian(Aurak or Sivak) (DL)
Blackspawn Raider (RHoD)
Bluespawn Thunderlizard (RHoD)
Greenspawn Razorfiend (RHoD)
Dragonborn Paladin (RotD)
Spellscale Bard (RHoD)
Dragonwrought Kobold (RotD)
Huge Aspect of Bahamut (RotD)
Huge Aspect of Tiamat (RHoD)
Huge Black Dragon (with rider?)
Huge Blue Dracolich (MM1)

(RHoD = Red Hand of Doom, RotD = Races of the Dragon, MF = Monsters of Faerun, MM3 = Monster Manual 3)

While I expect there will be a lot of dragonish stuff, I think expecting more Dragonlance is unlikely. A few uniques and rares to satisfy hardcore DLers are likely, similar to the way that Expanded Psionics Handbook gets a race or class every now and then.

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02/23/2006 1:26 PM  
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3 Draconians don't bother me so much (they can always sub for Half-Dragons and such) but 6 knight types? Gah.


I must agree on this. As a converted Eberron player (from homebrew) I was shocked to learn that anyone still played Dragonlance. Surprises all around.

Dracs make fine half dragon proxies and can be repainted to fit any situation. 6 knight types would make me cry.

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02/23/2006 1:34 PM  
There have been many more requests for DL uniques than "standard" DL-campaign specific figs, like draconians. I suspect that while a lot of people enjoy the books, the setting itself doesn't get a lot of actual play time anymore.

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02/23/2006 1:36 PM  
Guaranteed uncommon dragon (tiny - large). One in every box.

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There have been many more requests for DL uniques than "standard" DL-campaign specific figs, like draconians. I suspect that while a lot of people enjoy the books, the setting itself doesn't get a lot of actual play time anymore.



QFTT. Dragonlance was DOA as a campaign to actually PLAY in. Its like star wars that way. Everything was done by the heroes of the lance. So you can either scrap the history/iconics (the reason people like the setting to begin with), play second fiddle to the real heroes and go on Baaz cleanup duty, or play through the war of the lance. Or you can play in the 5th age, after the writers intentionally ruined the campaign.

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02/23/2006 1:46 PM  
Im going to have to agree with Kunimatyu.

The Dragon Queen set will focus on Red Hand of Doom and Races of the Dragon.....Not Dragonlance.

Maybe DL will be thrown a bone in terms of 1 or 2 minis but I wouldnt expect more than that.

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02/23/2006 1:48 PM  
My list includes:

-Aurak,Sivak ( Yes, that blade is a beauty...) and Bozaks ( preferably commons ) Draconians
-Epic Kang, Draconian Commander Of The First Engineer's Unit

( P.S: Draconians were bred for war by Takhisis and are more suited for war than even Warforged. I am switching to Knight of ALL Draconians...)

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-Large Green Dragon ( among other dragons )
-Large White Dragon ( among other dragons ) or at least a Medium or both [)]
-Large Brass Dragon ( among other dragons )
-Juggernaut !!!
-Dragon Rider ( Lord Verminaard, Thalomius or a standard PC )
-Large Water Elemental ( They NEED to do this one finally before making redoes...)
-Rust Monster
-Banshee
-Coktatrice
-Gem Dragons
-Blink Dog
-Braxat ( need to check spelling, but the human-hunting beasts in the MM2 )
-Deathbringer ( A great undead large threat... also from MM2 )
-Minotaurs ( never enough of them...)
-Anything OA ( especially a Dragon )
-More humans from different clans in Rokugan
-THE Assassin from the spell compendium ( My Golly ! The art is amazing !!! )
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02/23/2006 2:56 PM  
I'll bet there will be at least 3 kobolds in WotDQ, one of them Meepo or Deekin.

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02/23/2006 3:01 PM  
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QFTT. Dragonlance was DOA as a campaign to actually PLAY in. Its like star wars that way. Everything was done by the heroes of the lance. So you can either scrap the history/iconics (the reason people like the setting to begin with), play second fiddle to the real heroes and go on Baaz cleanup duty, or play through the war of the lance. Or you can play in the 5th age, after the writers intentionally ruined the campaign.

Of course I disagree. You should really check out where the setting is currently. There is a ton for PCs to do and the setting is much more open than it used to be. I'm very happy with were DL has gone in the post War of Souls era.


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02/23/2006 3:02 PM  
Surely, and Dekkin might bring a new "audience" into the miniatures scene. Cool minis and better odds of the products lasting, plus no price increase as sales could potentially benefit from this. Meepo is also a fan favorite, so the ball is in WoTc's court [:p]

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02/23/2006 3:22 PM  
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Surely, and Dekkin might bring a new "audience" into the miniatures scene. Cool minis and better odds of the products lasting, plus no price increase as sales could potentially benefit from this. Meepo is also a fan favorite, so the ball is in WoTc's court [:p]



I always thought they should have made a NWN based starter set this time round to attract new players.

On the subject of WotDQ, I would like a Dragon disciple, preferably gold, a Huge Copper and a Huge [Trogdor!]Green Dragon[/Trogdor!].

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02/23/2006 8:26 PM  
Just one special monster.

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I'm sure they'll do fine with the rest.[:)]

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02/23/2006 9:20 PM  
Strangely enough, we fought two Blink Dogs last night, I killed them both, mwhahaha.

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02/24/2006 2:38 PM  
A mounted dragon highlord would be awesome; either Kitiara on her blue dragon Skye or Laurana on a silver dragon would fit the bill nicely.

More draconians of course.

When it comes to DL heroes, would folks prefer "new" or "old" heroes? Old heroes would be, for example, the heroes of the lance. If they did one of these they'd have to do the rest of course, which might be a case for not doing any of them. The one exception to this might be Raistlin. I wouldn't particularly object to a Steel Brightblade over a Sturm Brightblade ... just rambling now ... you people are distracting me from my work! [:)]

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02/24/2006 4:23 PM  
Go RAISTLIN! big money big money big money

Ok, wishlist...

Blink Dog
Rust Monster
Pseudodragon
Stirge
Nymph
Illithid Bodytamer

Female Heirophant Druid
Male/Female Wizard with Hair
Human weilding Dual Axes

Ice Mephit
Fire Mephit

Succubus
Marlith

Barbezu (uncommon)
Gelugon

Huge Earth Elemental
Huge Fire Elemental
Huge Black Dragon
Huge Blue Dracolich
Huge Aspect of Tiamat
Huge Aspect of Bahumut
Huge Bebilith?
Huge Babau?
Huge Monsterous Spider

Large Water Elemental
Large Monsterous Centipede
Large Green Dragon
Large White Dragon

Sivak Draconian
Aurak Draconian
Bozak Draconian

Banedead
Shadow
Spawn of Kyuss

Blue Samurai
Knight of the Rose
Knight of the Skull
Nightmare and Rider

Alhanna, Human Paladin
Gimble, Gnome Bard
Szass Tamm
Raistlin

... *wheeze*, *gasp* *wheeze*, I think I'm done...


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02/24/2006 5:25 PM  
I am hoping for some CG goodness. Like a geomancer that can heal at a distance (with mage hand) or a Deep Gnome thief/mage. Of course you won't be seeing any of that, but that's what I would want.

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02/24/2006 8:10 PM  
Nalfshnee
Kiatara Riding on Blue Dragon Skie
Raistlin
Jarlaxle
Spawn of Tiamat
Aspect of Bahumet
Aspect of Tiamat
Aspect of Vecna
Kas (Vecna's second-in-command)
Kaz the Minotaur (need mintaur commander)
Kulchir (Huge Demon more wpoerful than balor)
Marilith
Red Hand of Doom villian (Half-Blue Dragon Hobgoblin)
Nimor Half-Shadow Dragon Drow
Dyrr Lichdrow
More Draconians
Sturm Brightblade
Tanis Half-Elven

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