Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
    
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| I think DDM is fine the way it is. I hope clear plasic isnt something WotC goes crazy with once its in use.
The Air, Fire and Water Elementals we have look fine....I see no need for a clear blue Large Water Elemental.
If the Large Water Elemental is clear it would seem really silly to me. Water is clear but air is white paint?
Im all for improving sculpts and paint jobs...But clear plastic just seems really unecessary.
Even a G-Cube could be a pinted figure. Just paint it blueish white and have a vitim sticking out of it. Just a human from the shoulders-up with a look of horror on his face with one arm thrust out.
Im just worried that once Clear Plastic becomes reality WotC is gonna get silly and use it all the time and it will get gimmicky. Clear swords that are supposed to be magicial. Clear spells shooting from fingertips. Fire comming out of dragon's mouths becomming a regular occurance. It would just be stupid.
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Ackrus
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282 Posts
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| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
I think DDM is fine the way it is. I hope clear plasic isnt something WotC goes crazy with once its in use.
The Air, Fire and Water Elementals we have look fine....I see no need for a clear blue Large Water Elemental.
If the Large Water Elemental is clear it would seem really silly to me. Water is clear but air is white paint?
Im all for improving sculpts and paint jobs...But clear plastic just seems really unecessary.
Even a G-Cube could be a pinted figure. Just paint it blueish white and have a vitim sticking out of it. Just a human from the shoulders-up with a look of horror on his face with one arm thrust out.
Im just worried that once Clear Plastic becomes reality WotC is gonna get silly and use it all the time and it will get gimmicky. Clear swords that are supposed to be magicial. Clear spells shooting from findertips. Fire comming out of dragon's mouths becomming a regular occurance. It would just be stupid.
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There is always the chance of a cheesy silly mini done in clear plastic. I would like to see least a few and than judge for myself to see if they look cheesy. An Ice Mephit would look cool in clear plastic. | |
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5690 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 5:43 PM |
| I rather like the magic look with clear plastic. Imagine the Elf Pyromancer with a gout of flame shooting out of his hand or the Xeph Soulknife with translucent energy blades....
I'm all about clear plastic for magic FX! (but I agree about the elementals and the dragon's breath) | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Count Dooku
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4637 Posts
New York
| | 02/27/2006 5:47 PM |
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Imagine the Elf Pyromancer with a gout of flame shooting out of his hand or the Xeph Soulknife with translucent energy blades....
The Soulknifes energy blades being clear?...Maybe but unnecessary.
The Pyromancer with gout of clear flame?...Totally cheesey horrible.
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jgsugden
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4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/27/2006 5:48 PM |
| | I won't judge until I've seen. After all, you may know she's your cousin, but if she's cute enough ... | |
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Harneloot
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575 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 5:56 PM |
| If something needs to be clear (e.g. - wings on an insect) then make it with clear plastic.
But PLEASE - no cheesy spell effects!!!!!!!!!!
The minis just don't need them. | |
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Lab Monkey
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4136 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 5:56 PM |
| Lol jgs.
I'm pretty luke warm with clear plastic. It could look great and it could stink. If they do use it, I hope they don't go overboard. I don't really see any need for clear elementals, but a g-cube could be nice. In any case, it sounds like clear plastic is coming; I'll reserve judgement until i see it. | |
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5690 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 5:58 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
I won't judge until I've seen. After all, you may know she's your cousin, but if she's cute enough ...
Now you see it.... | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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5690 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 6:01 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
quote:
Originally posted by Username
...Now you see it....
No, I've seen how Star Wars minis did it a year earlier. I have not see how DDM sculptors will do it with the information they collected after seing the SWM stuff ...
In my mind, I could see a clear large water elemental being very cool ... or very bad. I could see a fire effect made of flame being amazing ... or hideous. I could see a golem with gems for eyes being interesting, or ridiculous. I'll wait to see what they can do before I judge.
Saying you don't want to see it done because it could be gimmicky is a little strange. If every single figure in a set were a dragon, it would be very gimmicky. Does that mean we don't want to ever see (another) dragon?
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Bert the Troll
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3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/27/2006 6:01 PM |
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Clear spells shooting from fingertips. Fire comming out of dragon's mouths becomming a regular occurance. It would just be stupid.
Those I wont really want to see... though detachable would be fine :/
Swords - fine :)
G-Cube will look far better clear that solid colour.
But I wouldnt want to see it get gimicky. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/27/2006 6:02 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Username
...Now you see it....
No, I've seen how Star Wars minis did it a year earlier. I have not see how DDM sculptors will do it with the information they collected after seing the SWM stuff ...
In my mind, I could see a clear large water elemental being very cool ... or very bad. I could see a fire effect made of flame being amazing ... or hideous. I could see a golem with gems for eyes being interesting, or ridiculous. I'll wait to see what they can do before I judge.
Saying you don't want to see it done because it could be gimmicky is a little strange. If every single figure in a set were a dragon, it would be very gimmicky. Does that mean we don't want to ever see (another) dragon? | |
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5690 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 6:06 PM |
| Time Warp.
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greyhaze
Warlord
6920 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 6:35 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Username
Now you see it....
This doesn't even look like clear plastic, what was the point? They could've gotten the same effect with light paint.
I'm gonna agree with the Count, very little actually needs to be clear. And I don't see the point to having a CLEAR large water elemental, when the Air Elemental is not - just MHO. | |
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jgsugden
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4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/27/2006 6:36 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
...I'm gonna agree with the Count, very little actually needs to be clear. And I don't see the point to having a CLEAR large water elemental, when the Air Elemental is not - just MHO.
Who's to say future ones might be different? I doubt that we've gotten out last air elemental ... I would not be surprised to see another large fire elemental, air elemental and our first water elemental by the end of the year ... | |
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Hejas
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Poland
| | 02/27/2006 6:37 PM |
| | Well, it's stupid to have clear Large Water Elemental when Medium Water Elemental is not... | |
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| | 02/27/2006 6:46 PM |
| | A Gelatinous Cube would look better in clear plastic. I hope, this is the reason that this figure has been delayed for so long. I don't collect SWM, but I've seen my friend's Emperor Palpatine, and the clear blue lightning is a nice effect. If done properly, clear plastic should improve the line. | |
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Warlord
5690 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 7:13 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
This doesn't even look like clear plastic, what was the point? They could've gotten the same effect with light paint.
It is actually clear, like a dark blue lightsabre. I guess that just isn't the best picture. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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yack
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3270 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 02/27/2006 7:20 PM |
| Large water elemental fine
Gcube fine in clear
Spell effects... that becomes too much. That stuff is for the imagination. Nothing worse then saying I'm casting a frost cone...but your mini has clear red fire coming out of the hands. I prefer for a RPG stand point too keep spells out. | |
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minatoman38
Underboss
1362 Posts
Minaniuonuma-shi, Japan
| | 02/27/2006 9:09 PM |
| I'd rather they stick with the current stuff. Clear plastic doesn't appeal to me at all.
As for the cube. Firstly I'm not really that keen on getting one. Secondly I think it would look good enough just painted with murky views of corridors from four different angles with something partly sticking out. If they do it at all. Which frankly I'm not convinced they have to. | |
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ilarue
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1259 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 9:29 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Hejas
Well, it's stupid to have clear Large Water Elemental when Medium Water Elemental is not...
Isn't that sort of like saying it is stupid to make the sculpts and paintjobs better, when the ones for the earlier sets weren't. [)]
While I agree that clear plastic should not be over used, I think if done properly it could enhance the look of certain minis. Now it is still to be seen if it will be done properly, but I think it holds great potential. They could have just painted all the light sabers for the SW minis, but how much better do they look being translucent. | |
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Benimoto
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1125 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 9:30 PM |
| | I agree that you guys should track down the actual Emporer Palpatine and check him out. I'm not sure that even is clear plastic in that picture (which is of the paint master), but the actual figure looks pretty sharp. | |
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zoroaster100
Sergeant
873 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 10:15 PM |
| | I can think of a few figures where clear plastic could work, but they are the rare exception: G-cube,invisible stalker, maybe one or two others. I'd rather not see it become a widespread gimmick on regular minis. | |
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XenoZephyr
Underboss
1083 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 10:16 PM |
| | If they made a Fire Elemental that looked like the flame coming from the CRD then I'd be pretty unhappy. Besides the G-Cube, I wouldn't want to see any mini completely made of clear plastic. | |
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Zyla
Underboss
1197 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 10:23 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Hejas
Well, it's stupid to have clear Large Water Elemental when Medium Water Elemental is not...
Kinda like a Large Blue Dragon with immunity to electricity when the Blue Wyrmling doesnt have it? | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 10:55 PM |
| I'm pretty much with the good Count on this one.
The desire for clear plastic has always been something of a peculiarity for me--I don't understand most of the desire for it. Elementals, to my mind, being the embodiement of whatever elemental it is they come from do not need to be clear.
Especially considering that we've an established pattern for the current round of Elementals. Once we've rounded out the Huge, Large and Smalls; a switch to clear won't upset me, but I still see little reason for it.
Now, on the other side of the coin, there are certain critters I WANT to [not] see. The Invisible Stalker, Hellcat, G-Cube, et al. are the types of things I want to see [through]. Even then, the Hellcat and Stalker will still require some paint to dull the glare and give some weight and presence. But I can live with that.
Spell effects, unless REALLY called for (no Pyromancers with Burning Hands, no clerics casting "Light", etc.) should be avoided like a 45 year-old bachelor wearing a liesure suit at a college bar. A spell which provides an energy shield (wielded like a normal shield) or a similar magic weapon, etc. wouldn't be horrible. But I see little need for them, either. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5101 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 02/27/2006 10:57 PM |
| Clear plastic has all the appear of Las Vegas. It's shiny, gimmicky, and generally unnecessary. I can see the application for a Gelatinous Cube. I can see the application for flaming swords (anything has to be better than the blades they've been doing lately). I think a clear water elemental would be undesirable. Spell-effects equally undesirable, and I imagine after the CRD fiasco (which turned out to not be such a fiasco) I'd expect breath weapon effects to be detachable. I seem to want everything [:D]
On the bright side I doubt we have to worry about seeing any clear Water, Air, or Fire Elementals. The current trend line is a Large Earth Elemental sculpt in each set [)] | |
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greyhaze
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6920 Posts
| | 02/27/2006 11:26 PM |
| Honestly as far as the Large Water Elemental goes, I'd actually like to see it solid to finish the first 4 originals out.
If they do subsequent Larges and Huges with clear plastic, that'd be ok with me. But, let a set look like a set. I hate piece-meal. | |
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AnarionZelle
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1172 Posts
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| | 02/27/2006 11:40 PM |
| | I like the clear plastic on the CRD (finally managed to get my preorder in on Amazon [:D]), and would be fine with a gel cube done that way, but I agree that the remaining elementals should match. | |
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Jefftyjeffjeff
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214 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 2:56 AM |
| I'm with you insofar as I don't want clear plastic used for uglification. But if it improves the figure, of course I want it done.
Mage Knight did a lot of this stuff toward the end of its run. Some looked great, and some looked maybe not so great.
Compare the opaque frost minion: http://www.wizkidsgames.com/mageknight/figuregallery.asp?unitid=5919
to the clear one:
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/mageknight/figuregallery.asp?unitid=5920
I think for frostiness, that's a good use.
On the other hand, a less inspired use is the oak mage.
Without clear plastic:
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/mageknight/figuregallery.asp?unitid=5953
and with: http://www.wizkidsgames.com/mageknight/figuregallery.asp?unitid=5954
Just because things are good the way they are is no reason not to try to improve them. Sure, you might fail. But it would sillier not to try.
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| | 02/28/2006 3:29 AM |
| | I like the clear plastic myself actually. I do like what Mage Knight has done with their later figure sets. I do think the clear plastic shouldn't be overused set wise. I would like to start seeing some translucent elementals, G-cubes and the ocasional spell effect(like flame shield). | |
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| | 02/28/2006 5:58 AM |
| | I'm all for a G-Cube in clear plastic. But thats about it. I'm with the Count on this one. The current elementals look fine. I thought the Large Air looked great. The new paint jobs are excelent. I'd just say NO to spell effects, that IS cheesy. As to an Invisible Stalker, the clear plastic could be cool and a Shadow in dark, smoky, clear plastic would rock! | |
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3398 Posts
Netherlands
| | 02/28/2006 6:31 AM |
| I'm pro on Clear plastic for Oozes, G-cube and Water Elementals. Don't want to see it used for anything else really, and erm:
Don't spoil our precious minis with CHEESY spell-effects!!!
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 02/28/2006 7:17 AM |
| Looking at Jefftyjeffjeff's links. I think the Tree-Guy having green clear arms to represent spellcasting is really bad.
But unfortunatly I also think the ice-elemental creature as pure clear blue looks absolutly pathetic.
Ice isnt blue...Heck water isnt even that blue. An all detail in the mini is gone.
I REALY never wanna see this in DDM. | |
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12463 Posts
The G Spot
| | 02/28/2006 7:18 AM |
| | In all honesty, clear plastic doesn't concern me. $75 minis is MUCH more of a concern to me. | |
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yack
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3270 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 02/28/2006 7:32 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
Looking at Jefftyjeffjeff's links. I think the Tree-Guy having green clear arms to represent spellcasting is really bad.
But unfortunatly I also think the ice-elemental creature as pure clear blue looks absolutly pathetic.
Ice isnt blue...Heck water isnt even that blue. An all detail in the mini is gone.
I REALY never wanna see this in DDM.
I actually have 2 of the blue guys too use a Ice Paraelementals and too be honest they are snall for a meduim and crap. So please WOTC be careful with what you use as clear.
P.S. no spell effects![:p] | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 02/28/2006 7:39 AM |
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Originally posted by Ghendar
In all honesty, clear plastic doesn't concern me. $75 minis is MUCH more of a concern to me.
A $75 mini isnt cool. But I can deal with a single mini having this problem every other year or so.
A new molding concept that can ruin all DDM sets to come from now on really concerns me.
Its like when Hasbro ruined Star Wars action figures. I used to collect 2 of each. One in a package and one opened and displayed.
Around Episode 2 it went downhill. Hasbro "made SW figures better" by giving them a ton of articulation and giving them action features like spring loaded weapons, kicking action and lightsaber swinging action, severed arm action using magnets, clothing made or real cloth.
All this did was horribly ruin my favoroite collectibles of all time. I dont collect them anymore. I really dont want to see that happen again.
I know its to early to start saying things like this. I mean we havent seen any clear plastic yet. But thats what we do in Maxminis...we worry and complane :)
Shoe said clear plastic will be in WotDQ. I just have this horrible vision of pulling this shiny clear blue Huge Water Elemental out of a booster. | |
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 7:51 AM |
| Clear G-Cube - yes
Clear Invisible Stalker - well if they have to make the mini than sure.
Clear Elementals - NO
Clear Spell Effects - NO
Clear Weapons/accessoriess - only if they are used by a Psionic
Otherwise, leave clear plastic out of the mix. | |
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