True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
    
 | | 03/09/2006 5:08 PM |
| This post isnt to rehash the discussion that WD looks nothing like the paint masters or how bad a lot of the minis actually look up close. My question is this:
"In the previews that we are given to lead up to the set being released, would you much rather see a picture of a real mini from the set, or would you rather still see the Paint Master?"
Personally, if this is how its going to be, I'd just rather see the finished thing that we would end up getting. In this way I wouldnt feel let down when mine that I get looks nothing like that great figure that was shown in the preview.
I really dont know if they would even go for this, because I could see a lot more ppl being less excited about the figures because we'd know exactly how it looks, and they wouldnt look nearly as good as the Paint Master. But at least then no one could claim to be surprised when they came out because we would already know, pretty much, what we were getting.
Just curious to your guys' thoughts on the matter. | |
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 03/09/2006 5:11 PM |
| | I would rather see a scantily-clad model. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5101 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 03/09/2006 5:18 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ridureyu
I would rather see a scantily-clad model.
Can't argue with logic like that [:D]
Back to the topic...since this seems like the first set where master paints and production models have been VASTLY different (i.e. missing several paint steps) I'd still prefer to see the master paintjobs (assuming of course that the production quality gets back to pre-war drums levels). In any case it is beneficial to see what paintsteps were missed (granted I repaint the majority of my minis so knowing what it "should" have looked like is nice). | |
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frogrodeo
Sergeant
706 Posts
| | 03/09/2006 5:19 PM |
| | They shouldn't be ashamed to show the actual fig vs. the paint master... I think they should be close enough that casual viewers won't notice any difference. IMHO, it doesn't really matter to me what mini they use for the photo, as long as the previews are good. | |
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devasque
Sergeant
874 Posts
| | 03/09/2006 5:19 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ridureyu
I would rather see a scantily-clad model.
What he said only holding the mini [:D]
Seriously though, its a marketing thing. I doubt very much you'd get WotC to break down and show an end user mini. Would I support it if they were to do it, heck yes. | |
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Gristlemane
Sergeant
623 Posts
| | 03/09/2006 5:21 PM |
| The paint master. We will see the "real thing" eventually, after all. At least with the paint master we can see how to repaint them if they are truly terrible. If we had seen the fugly dwarf or the monochrome lizard beforehand, would we really be any better off?
And I honestly didn't think the wardrums minis were that badly painted. 95% of them are just as good as Underdark or Angelfire. It is just a very hit or miss set, since the remaining 5% are simply terrible. The frost dwarf is hands down the worst painted mini ever. | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 03/09/2006 5:45 PM |
| Well honestly I never thought about the repainting thing. I mean I know a lot of people repaint the figures they get, which is nice. But I didnt know people used the Master Paint as a guide. I figured you would just repaint it to what *you* want it to be, and not really like what the Master Paint is. But I can see how some people would do that.
I dunno I guess I'd rather just see the kind of mini we'd be getting more than one I wont own. I mean, I'm not really mad about the product we ended up getting. For the most part, I'm pretty happy. I just think I'd rather see our version more than theirs really. | |
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LargeMarmot
Sergeant
463 Posts
| | 03/09/2006 5:55 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by frogrodeo
They shouldn't be ashamed to show the actual fig vs. the paint master... I think they should be close enough that casual viewers won't notice any difference. IMHO, it doesn't really matter to me what mini they use for the photo, as long as the previews are good.
I agree. This shouldnt even really be an issue. The fact that this topic needs disscuss is a real problem. | |
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 03/09/2006 6:02 PM |
| | At least this wasn't a proiblem before Wardrums. I think it's an issue back at the factories - I've seen these kinds of things happen to companies before, were the printers screwed up and the publishers have to bite the bullet. If they say anything, they get accused of buck-passing. | |
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MerricB
Underboss
2353 Posts
Australia
| | 03/09/2006 6:18 PM |
| "In the previews that we are given to lead up to the set being released, would you much rather see a picture of a real mini from the set, or would you rather still see the Paint Master?"
That's not the options available, unfortunately.
You have the choice between the Paint Master and *no picture at all*. The production figures are only available quite late in the process.
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jedijon
Sergeant
474 Posts
| | 03/09/2006 6:29 PM |
| Why choose?
Both!!
I think that since they're developing 3 sets ahead and shipping this one, that a quick fed-ex delivery could put the "real" minis in the hands of the WoTC preview staff. . . | |
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 03/09/2006 6:39 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by MerricB
That's not the options available, unfortunately.
You have the choice between the Paint Master and *no picture at all*. The production figures are only available quite late in the process.
I don't know that it's that late in the process. In even his earliest previews for a new set, Mat Smith's mentioned that he's holding production minis which don't look quite like the masters he's posting pictures of. Additionally, if you look at the rotatable pictures they have in some of the galleries, they seem to be of production minis instead of the masters.
Still, I don't know what bureaucracy pictures need to go through before being posted. It's possible that it's too late to get actual production pictures taken and approved in time for the previews. | |
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DrX
Sergeant
408 Posts
| | 03/09/2006 6:48 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Benimoto
In even his earliest previews for a new set, Mat Smith's mentioned that he's holding production minis which don't look quite like the masters he's posting pictures of.
I suspected that was the case. If you read his preview text for the Large Bronze Dragon, notice that he doesn't mention the white underbelly, or the green-tinge, things that I think really stood out on the master paint. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 03/09/2006 7:36 PM |
| I agree that they should be able to present both without shame. If it was a case of master or no preview, than would prefer the preview, but I dont see it as an either/or.
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Runelord151
Underboss
1203 Posts
| | 03/09/2006 7:38 PM |
| | I'd like them to continue with the paint masters, for entirely selfish reasons. Seems that I get more work when people see what they want and don't recieve it as shown[:D]. | | | |
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 03/09/2006 8:16 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ridureyu
I would rather see a scantily-clad model.
Didn't I already do that for you? [:D] | |
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 03/09/2006 8:23 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kiddoc
quote:
Originally posted by Ridureyu
I would rather see a scantily-clad model.
Didn't I already do that for you? [:D]
No, we saw your wife. There's a slight difference there. | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 03/09/2006 10:31 PM |
| | haha Runelord, yea you probably do get a lot of ppl wanting a miniature just like the peice shown. Nevermind, lets keep Runelord rollin in the money... =) | |
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DarkWhite
Warrior
185 Posts
| | 03/10/2006 9:34 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ridureyu
quote:
Originally posted by Kiddoc
quote:
Originally posted by Ridureyu
I would rather see a scantily-clad model.
Didn't I already do that for you? [:D]
No, we saw your wife. There's a slight difference there.
Absolutely correct. I think Kiddoc's wife is going to have to win the next Championship, so we can see a swimsuit with wings version of Kiddoc immortalised in plastic!
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 03/10/2006 9:45 AM |
| quote:
I think they should be close enough that casual viewers won't notice any difference.
There is the key. I'm fine with a Paint Master, but when they commission the paint master, the Painter should understand just how many steps the production painters have. There could be minor production "issues" with the production models, but functionally, colors/steps shouldn't be left out.
Give me paint masters, but make damn sure that the folks doing all the painting are on the same page.
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 03/10/2006 9:46 AM |
| In an ideal world the point would be moot as the production-paints and master-paints would be indistinguishable, but as this is not an ideal world I would have to go with the masters. I find the pix of the well-painted masters to be inspirational in terms of my own painting they also serves a good guide for repaints.
However, I do want to append that even if the overall quality cannot be identical, and of course there are going to be minor changes in colour choices and whatnot, there should be no massive differences between the masters and the productions models in terms of paint steps (such as the missing verdigris on Big Bronze's wings). | |
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Ragnarok
Sneak
91 Posts
| | 03/10/2006 9:48 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by DarkWhite
Absolutely correct. I think Kiddoc's wife is going to have to win the next Championship, so we can see a swimsuit with wings version of Kiddoc immortalised in plastic!
LOL
I only get frustrated when the production mini looks nothing like paint master ...the best example is the Soldier of Thrane
that mini was awesome looking on the poster
But other than sloppy paint jobs - I cant see myself complaining about the slave labor used to paint my minis | |
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