Archer_Drake
Skirmisher
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 | | 03/10/2006 4:33 PM |
| Here are the pics, not as good as i hoped but I don't have a zoom on my camera so the flash kinda washes them out.
The hammer is gold like the gloves and the armor on the legs is not painted. | |
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 03/10/2006 4:35 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Archer_Drake
Here are the pics, not as good as i hoped but I don't have a zoom on my camera so the flash kinda washes them out.
The hammer is gold like the gloves and the armor on the legs is not painted.
My Warpriests of Moradin look worse. | |
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NotAnotherDrizztClone
Warrior
265 Posts
| | 03/10/2006 4:45 PM |
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Originally posted by KAGE
in the WotC official response it says they could do anything to just ask, and if he wanted his warduke replaced they would do that too, are they going to replace all of our wardukes....and all of the figures i've shown here? I have 2 and 3 of everything myself. are they willing to replace it all with properly painted figs.
i've come to accept half A$$ed paint jobs, I mean they do sell them to us for pretty cheap. They sculpts were getting better and better, and the paint jobs have been getting better and better.... but these are missing entire paint schemes, they arn't painted half a$$ed, they arn't painted at all.
I recently calculated what my collection is worth, based on scrye and zenako price lists
my set is worth any where from $9,000 to $13,000. maybe its time to get out?
anyone want a collection of almost 2 of every single rare, and repaint? 2590 minis in all
2 of every map, tile....I pretty much have 2 of everything ever released for minis'.
i'll let it go for $10,000....it includes 3 large silver dragons!
Well the reason he offered to replace my Warduke is because it is even worse quality than the intended bad quality. My Warduke has no painted helmet slit, it's just a solid grey helmet with two red dots where his eyes should be. That takes ALOT away from the mini visually. He's willing to exchange the mini because mine supposedly looks different from everyone elses, hence I can get an exchange. He won't exchange the frost dwarf because EVERYONE'S looks crappy. So what do we learn from this? One person's mini looks crappy = apology and exchange, everyone's mini looks crappy = ummm... we meant it to look that way! Lol
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 03/10/2006 5:18 PM |
| I'd feel better if Shoe piped in that he's not happy with the way an uncommon like the Frost Dwarf turned out. The others (rares and all) look fine on their own, even when they are missing several paint steps.
I just want some vindication; that WotC hears it's customers concerns, and agrees with them rather than just blowing happy gas at us. | |
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 03/10/2006 5:27 PM |
| But anything that WOTC says can be taken as "happy gas." if they said "we screwed up, we will make the next set better," the response would be "Liars! The next set will be worse!"
They can't win. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 03/10/2006 5:49 PM |
| I'd like to see someone do this for all the sets, for some perspective on the scale of this.
I know a lot of my older minis don't look all that much like the images on the older posters too. | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 03/10/2006 6:03 PM |
| | Its just amazing to see them side by side. Thank you for posting them. But at this point, who knows what more complaining will do. I just hope there's feedback, good feedback, from WotC on this. | |
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realmaster
Underboss
2010 Posts
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| | 03/11/2006 12:17 AM |
| | I have been reading the threads on how bad this set has been but after seeing these side by side I have to agree that they are bad. I am really glad of the awesome deal that I received on my pre-release cases sales back in december. | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 12:42 AM |
| | I forgot about the Warpriest of Moradin. Every mini I have of his, the head is messed up really bad. Has like dark splotches all over it, really didnt like it. | |
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Zeb
Underboss
2027 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 1:01 AM |
| | God, after reading this thread, I'm really not looking forward to opening my cases this weekend. That "kid at Christmas" anticipation I felt has distintegrated, and is left with a "I hope my minis aren't as bad as the rest" kinda feeling. What began as pleasure, nows seems to have become a chore...[:(] | |
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Kithmaker
Commander
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 1:50 AM |
| | Well its still fun to open your packages and see whats inside. Also a lot of the minis are pretty cool, just dont look at the gallery or poster. If you dont do that, I think for the most part you'll be pretty happy. Even with the "problems" , I still like War Drums as a set and am glad I have most of them. I wouldnt let a lot of this talk bring ya done heh | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 2:00 AM |
| | if I started a thread about good paint jobs, would anybody be willing to post in it without calling me a liar or a fanboy or anything? | |
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Warlord
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| | 03/11/2006 2:36 AM |
| No not at all, there are a number of commons in Wardrums that have rather nice paint jobs. My warforged Captain and Bodyguard look most excellent.
quote:
Originally posted by Ridureyu
if I started a thread about good paint jobs, would anybody be willing to post in it without calling me a liar or a fanboy or anything?
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 2:37 AM |
| | Okay - just checking. | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 4:50 AM |
| | There are actually several figures that came out really well. Its just a lot of them were dissapointing, so that detracts from the happiness of the others. It happens, a lot of times negative will outshine the positive. | |
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 5:17 AM |
| | I've found that even a tiny bit of negativityt can obscure a lot of positive things. | |
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Hejas
Sergeant
435 Posts
Poland
| | 03/11/2006 7:21 AM |
| | Wow... I thought Chimera would be the most beautiful DDM Mini ever. But it looks really, really BAD. That's even worse than Frost Dwarf. (FD is just an uncommon!) | |
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Tactician
Sergeant
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Mabboc
Skirmisher
19 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 8:21 AM |
| Now we have
D&D Miniatures: Painters Edition - Now you can customize your miniatures by painting them the way you always wanted, cause they almost don't have any paint jobs on them!!!
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 2:42 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tactician
I was looking at the Sand Giant. The master has thier eyes painted, last night I acquired two of them one of them niether eye is oainted and the other only one eye has a dot of white paint!
Mine have both of their eyes painted... | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 3:08 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ridureyu
quote:
Originally posted by Tactician
I was looking at the Sand Giant. The master has thier eyes painted, last night I acquired two of them one of them niether eye is oainted and the other only one eye has a dot of white paint!
Mine have both of their eyes painted...
So do mine. Too bad they're all crossed eyed.[:(] | |
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Mortusbard
Sergeant
427 Posts
North Carolina
| | 03/11/2006 5:18 PM |
| You know I have complaint as well. Don't consider it bashing but just consider it.
12.99 8 Figs 1 rare 3 uncommon 4 common now wait they are even painted. Not only are they painted but when possible we used artwork from the various D&D Refence Materials to come up with a sculpt or come close to one.
Now I am someone who has played many mini games ( Warhammer, 4ok , many others that have come and gone. Now there they dn't have rarities to complain about they don't have poor paint jobs to complain about. They do however constantly change the rules and there is an amazing amount of what we call power creep in each new set of anything they put out.
( BECAUSE YOU PAINT THEM YOURSELVES )
Average price for 2 mini's unpainted in these games is 6.99-8-99
Large pices like say a giant can top 25$ unpainted.
I am by no means giving WOTC a pass on this issue, MY perspective however is that we are making it to much of an issue.
1. Frostdwarf it just stinks throw some leprous brown on a paint brush and put the tunic there were it belongs.
2. Drybrushing is easy use some frostdwarfs to practice.
All that being said I do not intend to take the time to do this. I thought most of the mini's in my case were acceptable.
Look at the improvement fig by fig from the harbringer set compared to War Drums. Give them some credit. If the paint jobs were better then I would have started.
ALSO REMEMBER THAT WE LOVE THE GAME. THE PAINTERS ARE DOING A JOB.
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KAGE
Sneak
150 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 6:36 PM |
| quote:
I am by no means giving WOTC a pass on this issue, MY perspective however is that we are making it to much of an issue.
1. Frostdwarf it just stinks throw some leprous brown on a paint brush and put the tunic there were it belongs.
2. Drybrushing is easy use some frostdwarfs to practice.
All that being said I do not intend to take the time to do this. I thought most of the mini's in my case were acceptable.
Look at the improvement fig by fig from the harbringer set compared to War Drums. Give them some credit. If the paint jobs were better then I would have started.
ALSO REMEMBER THAT WE LOVE THE GAME. THE PAINTERS ARE DOING A JOB.
you forget these are suppose to be prepainted figures. I've painted for years, and I know dry brushing is easy. I have a kid now, and love the prepainted guys so that, oh I don't know, don't have to paint anymore.
if the frost dwarf is suppose to have a brown coat on then he should have a brown coat. I shouldn't have to dry brush to finnish painting my "PREPAINTED" minis.
I give WotC credit, the sculpts have been getting better, and this set is probably the best ever.
and so have the paint jobs been getting better.BUT...THIS ISN'T A CASE OF BAD PAINT JOBS, THIS IS A CASE OF NO PAINT JOBS AT ALL! | |
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guacamole
Sneak
134 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 8:38 PM |
| | I really gotta admit. The paint jobs don't bother me that much. Would it be nice if they were done a little nicer? I suppose. But then the reason I buy these is becaues I don't have time to paint figs. This is a short hand for me to keep me in war games. | |
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Almalik
Warrior
266 Posts
Vancouver-ish, Canada
| | 03/11/2006 9:44 PM |
| I am a bit disappointed in the paint jobs this time around, especially since the sculpts are so good. Thanks for posting the before and after pics, I just went and gave my frost dwarves a quick bit of brown (and some white dry brushing on the beard, etc., etc.)and they looked nice enough that I picked up my chimera and gave it a white dry brush on the goat head, and painted Khumat's loin cloth. and youched up the Aspect of Moradin. It only took a couple of minutes, and they all look much better.
A question: how do home re-paints affect the value of the minis? Assuming that that the repainting is just a bit of touch up like this, rather than a complete home paint job.
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 03/11/2006 10:19 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sean-Khan
I believe that the worst feeling disappears when you get to play with the new minis with new abilities and possibilities if not before!
Not for me. Next set, the set after next. The ones after that. Everytime I play on magic marker demongate I will remember & get that bad feeling back. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 03/12/2006 2:36 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Almalik
A question: how do home re-paints affect the value of the minis? Assuming that that the repainting is just a bit of touch up like this, rather than a complete home paint job.
Depends on who you're trying to trade or sell the minis to. In general I think altering the minis decreases their value to the average person. However, if you're a talented painter like some of the folks here (i.e. Runelord) painting them might actually increase the figure's value. YMMV
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 03/12/2006 4:01 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ridureyu
But anything that WOTC says can be taken as "happy gas." if they said "we screwed up, we will make the next set better," the response would be "Liars! The next set will be worse!"
They can't win.
Absolutely. I am the last person to be praising WotC but it would be nice if they were treated like other publishers and mini makers (yes even Reaper makes craptacular miniatures now and again). I read the response NotAnotherCrizztClone got in the other thread and it was much more than I expected. From any company.
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 03/12/2006 4:03 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IanB
I'd like to see someone do this for all the sets, for some perspective on the scale of this.
I know a lot of my older minis don't look all that much like the images on the older posters too.
Yup. If I had a digital camera I'd post The Awful Truth but I don't think that is what people want. | |
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WakeXX
Warlord
10152 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 03/12/2006 9:09 PM |
| | The only mini I'm really disappointed by the paint job is The dragon totem hero I got,looks like the one in Kage's pic,unpainted sash,no gold trim whatsoever,heavy black wash.the others I got I can live with,I like the frost dwarf better than the paint master colour scheme.While my chimera has unpainted dragon horns and is somewhat disappointing I can live with it or do a quick white drybrushing. | | | |
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Anthraxus
Warrior
212 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 1:55 AM |
| I didn't order a case of War Drums- but I broke down and bought 3 boosters yesterday. Wow. Oddly enough, most of the *Commons* were the best painted minis. The warpriest of moradin in one box must have taken all of 5 seconds to paint.
I know some previous sets had paint problems, but this is problematic. They did seem to be getting better.
Weird. Most of my commons looked great... Rares- not so great. Uncommons- worse. [V]
Sculpts were great.
Looking forward to better painted minis in WotDQ. I mean, they gotta be.[:p] | |
Yeah, I really need to work on my H/W list one of these days...
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 2:42 AM |
| | Usually I dont worry about the Mediums/Smalls. I usually look at the Larges because its more noticeable if there is a real bad paint job. On mediums I guess I just dont look closely enough. Like I said I thought the frost dwarf was all right, until I saw a pic of what it was supposed to be. I never look at the Master Paint for the Dragon Totem Hero, so I'm happy with mine heh. | |
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Wish
Sergeant
399 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 2:10 PM |
| | I count 5 colors on my quaggoth slave (fur, skirt, axe, tounge, eyes). I count 4 colors on my dragon (body, eyes, wing skin, wing ribs), not counting the black, unpainted plastic of the wing claws. There's something off about that. I do love my quaggoths though. | | | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 03/13/2006 3:51 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Anthraxus
I didn't order a case of War Drums- but I broke down and bought 3 boosters yesterday. Wow. Oddly enough, most of the *Commons* were the best painted minis. The warpriest of moradin in one box must have taken all of 5 seconds to paint.
I know some previous sets had paint problems, but this is problematic. They did seem to be getting better.
Weird. Most of my commons looked great... Rares- not so great. Uncommons- worse. [V]
Sculpts were great.
Looking forward to better painted minis in WotDQ. I mean, they gotta be.[:p]
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MerricB
Underboss
2353 Posts
Australia
| | 03/13/2006 6:21 PM |
| Don't ask. We don't want to know how they could be worse. [:)]
I was looking at a friend's Couatl the other day (trying to work out how to destroy it with my Orc Champion), and was just bemused that they could go from that to the rare figures in this set.
Looking at the pictures, it seems that a particular painter (who paints the white bits) wasn't there. Look at the Chimera. Add white to the current figure and it's fine.
Ditto gulgar.
Ditto Brass Dragon
I'm very interested in seeing what the later "waves" of figures look like. There is some inconsistency in painting that we've noticed.
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Zeb
Underboss
2027 Posts
| | 03/14/2006 3:11 AM |
| Update:
I opened my five cases this weekend. While I was disappointed in some of the minis, I found several to be very good indeed. The orc wardrummers were very detailed and I love the axe soldier.
My wife has set to work fixing some of the painting problems with the minis, and has decided that the frost dwarves are first. [)] All in all, I'm not terribly thrilled with the set as a whole, but it does have some fine pieces, especially the commons. | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 03/14/2006 4:15 AM |
| | I still think its a very good set overall personally. I definetely would tell ppl to get this set and that it was worth it. I just hope none of those ppl expect to get minis like what is shown on the poster/gallery. If we didnt see the Masters, I think we wouldnt have been so annoyed =). But when you see what the mini is supposedly based on, you hope it looks pretty close to that. | |
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LordStorm
Sneak
133 Posts
Columbus Ohio
| | 03/14/2006 10:40 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by KAGE
i've read every side of the missing paint steps, so I figured I might as well show some pics.
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I have multiples of all the figs in the set and have seen others, and not one of them looks like its picture in the poster.
Excellent analysis KAGE!
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