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04/11/2006 11:15 AM  
I wonder is I can get a "Meepo must die" t-shirt made up for Gencon. [:D]

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04/11/2006 12:42 PM  
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This is one rare that's going into my trade fodder pile. PLEASE somebody tell my I'm not alone in feeling this is a wasted rare slot.


I am with ya. It will be on my trade pile. Any of you Meepo fans want to make an early trade for an Aspect of Tiamat?

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04/11/2006 12:47 PM  
Now if he's an uncommon on the other hand I will take a couple for RPG kobold leaders.

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04/11/2006 3:52 PM  
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This is one rare that's going into my trade fodder pile. PLEASE somebody tell my I'm not alone in feeling this is a wasted rare slot.


I am with ya. It will be on my trade pile. Any of you Meepo fans want to make an early trade for an Aspect of Tiamat?



Mark my words. Meepo will be another crap rare like the Divine Crusader, or Exorcist of the Silver Flame. [:(]

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04/11/2006 3:53 PM  
Why the fuss? So Meepo is a rare unique. While I agree that rare uniques are harder to trade, uncommon uniques are kinda usless for skirmish (having 8 Meepos can't be played any more often than 8 Regdars). At least if he is a rare, you won't have too many multiples of him!

I like Kobolds, so I have no problem with Meepo, even though I never ran the module he comes from. But I do run RPG games, where there is a need for hoards of monsters, and kobolds fill that roll quite nicely. I have a big ole' bag of them, and they are a great alternative to my big ole' bag o' orcs!

In skirmish I do like to run the occasional them band, and even the kobold warriors do not add up in points to satisfy an 8 figure 200 point warband. Maybe Meepo will beef up kobolds with some cool commander effect. I think his stats need to be seen before we caste Meepo to the Gelatinous Cube.

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04/11/2006 4:09 PM  
Perhaps each Meepo will be matched with one of the Huge Dragons?

Not that it will happen but if pulling a Huge Rare the standard rare is somewhat less impressive anyway. This could be a ploy to keep net booster value even throughout the set.

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04/11/2006 4:28 PM  
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quote:
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I'm glad his a rare...I don't get when people complain that something they don't want is a rare. The chances of pulling is slimmer. Rare is the best slot for him.I would only want one Meepo so rare is the best spot..I sooner miss out on the chances of one rare cause I pulled another Meepo, then have 8 of him!



Remember though, this is War of the Dragon Queen. For those of us only getting one case for this set. That is only 6 boosters. Any other time I would be ok with pulling Meepo because I have 11 other kickass rares to make up for it. Now I only have 5 other Rares, and 2 Huge Rares...I'll be far more dissapointed with my case this time around if I pull him.

EDIT: Also, if he would have been uncommon, we still would have only gotten 1, maybe 2 of him in a case depending on the booster Distrobution in this set.



This is my point. Small rares in a huge set are just a bad idea. At the price we have to pay per booster, I know I will be very annoyed at having just spent $20 on a small rare.

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04/11/2006 5:18 PM  
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Perhaps each Meepo will be matched with one of the Huge Dragons?

Not that it will happen but if pulling a Huge Rare the standard rare is somewhat less impressive anyway. This could be a ploy to keep net booster value even throughout the set.


This is an interesting idea. The rare to uncommon ratio of huges is 1 to 2. Meaning that each rare has a "rotation" interval of eighteen. (One rare X per 18 boosters.) There are also 18 standard rares in War of the Dragon Queen.

So Meepo could very well be tied to a rare huge dragon. This is actually a very good idea, as it means that you either get 1) a good standard rare, or 2) a huge rare. That would certainly take some of the punch out of getting a small rare.

It's deja vu all over again.

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04/11/2006 6:47 PM  
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Perhaps each Meepo will be matched with one of the Huge Dragons?

Not that it will happen but if pulling a Huge Rare the standard rare is somewhat less impressive anyway. This could be a ploy to keep net booster value even throughout the set.


Sorry to burst your bubbles, but you forget that there's only 8 minis to a pack this time around- if you get Meepo, you're huge will be an uncommon. I doubt they'll make a huge dragon uncommon, even for the Year of the Dragon AND War of the Dragon Queen combined. Another reason to hate Meepo.

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04/11/2006 7:05 PM  
Meepo, will be fine....

One slot, hardly an earth shattering incident...
Better than somebody's wife with wings....

Meepo, a couple of champions, kobold wizard makes for some interesting storylines and a great war party.

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04/11/2006 7:07 PM  
DEATH TO MEEPO!!!! Friggin' Kobold King wannabe! [:p]

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04/11/2006 7:21 PM  
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Sorry to burst your bubbles, but you forget that there's only 8 minis to a pack this time around- if you get Meepo, you're huge will be an uncommon.


Incorrect.
The Huge slot is independent of your Rare slot. As previously stated in many places, in a booster you will get:
1 Huge mini (either a Huge rare or a Huge Uncommon)
and
1 Rare mini (size Large, Medium, or Meepo)
2 Uncommon minis (size Large, Medium, Small, perhaps even Tiny)
4 Common minis (Medium and Small)

The presence of Meepo does not preclude getting any Huge rare, and thus it is possible to get 2 rares in one booster (a Huge rare like Tiamat and a "normal" rare like Meepo).

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04/11/2006 7:29 PM  
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I'm glad his a rare...I don't get when people complain that something they don't want is a rare. The chances of pulling is slimmer. Rare is the best slot for him.I would only want one Meepo so rare is the best spot..I sooner miss out on the chances of one rare cause I pulled another Meepo, then have 8 of him!


I'd rather have an RPG fodder critter NOT waste rare slots. From an RPG standpoint rare fodder critters are complete wastes of space. That means one less desirable (Rust Monster, Dragon, etc) that will not be included in a set. I have never complained that I don't want Meepo. I want more than one (nice sculpt) for use in RPG. Fortunately he'll likely be available on ebay for a couple of bucks. I would personally NEVER trade anything remotely good for a kobold (rare or otherwise) unless that kobold was destined to change the skirmish metagame. Meepo might become incredibly popular if his skirmish stats are game-shaking. Who knows...perhaps people will actually trade Tiamat (assuming Meepo ends up being a skirmish powerhouse and Tiamat suffers from "dragons in skirmish suck" syndrome). Not likely, but it could happen [:D]


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04/11/2006 11:48 PM  
Personally, I'm rather neutral on the whole issue of Meepo(s). From the "generic RPG" standpoint, he's an elite Kobold. You don't want too many of those--a handful in most situations will be more than enough.

Skirmishers won't want too many, either, as he is Unique. So he's only valuable in small numbers (probably less than three). Therefore, he's ideally suited to an Uncommon or Rare spot. Rare makes a little more sense to me as it allows me to get more of something else (that, hopefully, I want more of).

As for the whole Small/Rare argument...I'm not terribly concerned one way or the other. If the odd Small Rare thrown in keeps costs managable (and means that we keep getting Uncommon Larges), then so be it. I'll take that trade any day of the week.

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04/11/2006 11:55 PM  
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If the odd Small Rare thrown in keeps costs managable (and means that we keep getting Uncommon Larges), then so be it. I'll take that trade any day of the week.


I hadn't thought of it from that perspective. That definitely reduces the sting of small rares. I just can't argue solid logic like that [:D]

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04/12/2006 3:00 AM  
quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Vash

quote:
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I'm glad his a rare...I don't get when people complain that something they don't want is a rare. The chances of pulling is slimmer. Rare is the best slot for him.I would only want one Meepo so rare is the best spot..I sooner miss out on the chances of one rare cause I pulled another Meepo, then have 8 of him!



Remember though, this is War of the Dragon Queen. For those of us only getting one case for this set. That is only 6 boosters. Any other time I would be ok with pulling Meepo because I have 11 other kickass rares to make up for it. Now I only have 5 other Rares, and 2 Huge Rares...I'll be far more dissapointed with my case this time around if I pull him.

EDIT: Also, if he would have been uncommon, we still would have only gotten 1, maybe 2 of him in a case depending on the booster Distrobution in this set.



This is my point. Small rares in a huge set are just a bad idea. At the price we have to pay per booster, I know I will be very annoyed at having just spent $20 on a small rare.



So what you are really saying is that size does matter...[)][:p]

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04/12/2006 5:50 AM  
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As previously stated in many places, in a booster you will get:
1 Huge mini (either a Huge rare or a Huge Uncommon)
and
1 Rare mini (size Large, Medium, or Meepo)
2 Uncommon minis (size Large, Medium, Small, perhaps even Tiny)
4 Common minis (Medium and Small)



Aha Shoefirmation on the following:
- No additional small rares besdies Meepo!
- Tiny figure is still uncommon (no common stirge)

btw, have said it before: I love this distribution,

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04/12/2006 9:38 AM  
OK, so now I'm getting off my own subject. Do we know if there will be a full set of uncommons in a saeled case this time around? I'm sorry if I'm asking a question that has either been answered somewhere else or hasn't been confirmed yet. How many packs are in a "huge" case? These facts certainly can change how bad one lousy rare is, but I still feel annoyed when I dig through a case and find "bad" rares. In most cases, I know I'll get 1-2 of all uncommons and all I concern myself with is the rare (and to a lesser extent, which uncommons I get 2 of).

edit:I forgot to thank Shoe for being Mr. Information! I'm glad to see you read my anti-Meepo propaganda, even if it is too late to have him killed.[xx(]

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04/12/2006 10:15 AM  
I shall quote myself:

quote:
Remember though, this is War of the Dragon Queen. For those of us only getting one case for this set. That is only 6 boosters. Any other time I would be ok with pulling Meepo because I have 11 other kickass rares to make up for it. Now I only have 5 other Rares, and 2 Huge Rares...I'll be far more dissapointed with my case this time around if I pull him.

EDIT: Also, if he would have been uncommon, we still would have only gotten 1, maybe 2 of him in a case depending on the booster Distrobution in this set.


Each case is 6 boosters. That will give you:

2 of 6 Huge Rares
4 of 6 Huge Uncommons
6 of 18 Rares (one of which could be Meepo)
12 of 16 Uncommons
24 of 14 Commons

and with the supposed distrobutions of 6HR 6HU 18R 16U 14R that means we get 1 of every Common (some 2), not even 1 of every Uncommon, and 1/3 of the Rares instead of 1/2.

Which is why I think this time around it would have been OK to make Meepo an Uncommon. Unless you're buying an assload of cases you're still assured of only getting 1 of him and maybe not even that.

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04/12/2006 10:28 AM  
To bad the one tiny in WotDQ is uncommon..That means it wont be a Stirge.

Ok it might be a Stirge but why make a mini that everone will want 12 of be uncommon??

So my money is on Pseudodragon or White Wyrmling.

Im hopeing for the baby white but I think Im the minority here.

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04/12/2006 11:31 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by Shoe

quote:
Originally posted by FeranEldritchKnight
Sorry to burst your bubbles, but you forget that there's only 8 minis to a pack this time around- if you get Meepo, you're huge will be an uncommon.


Incorrect.
The Huge slot is independent of your Rare slot. As previously stated in many places, in a booster you will get:
1 Huge mini (either a Huge rare or a Huge Uncommon)
and
1 Rare mini (size Large, Medium, or Meepo)
2 Uncommon minis (size Large, Medium, Small, perhaps even Tiny)
4 Common minis (Medium and Small)

The presence of Meepo does not preclude getting any Huge rare, and thus it is possible to get 2 rares in one booster (a Huge rare like Tiamat and a "normal" rare like Meepo).

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Got to looooooooove that Shoefirmation! Thanks Shoe. This makes me very happy. I was not pleased that I might not get two rares in the same booster. Now I know it's false! Hoody-Hoo!

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04/12/2006 11:32 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by Shoe

As previously stated in many places, in a booster you will get:
1 Huge mini (either a Huge rare or a Huge Uncommon)
and
1 Rare mini (size Large, Medium, or Meepo)
2 Uncommon minis (size Large, Medium, Small, perhaps even Tiny)
4 Common minis (Medium and Small)


But that contradicts the products page. You list 9 minis above but the product page lists it as 8 per boster. Wrackspawn?*

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04/12/2006 11:36 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by Sulaco

quote:
Originally posted by Shoe

As previously stated in many places, in a booster you will get:
1 Huge mini (either a Huge rare or a Huge Uncommon)
and
1 Rare mini (size Large, Medium, or Meepo)
2 Uncommon minis (size Large, Medium, Small, perhaps even Tiny)
4 Common minis (Medium and Small)


But that contradicts the products page. You list 9 minis above but the product page lists it as 8 per boster. Wrackspawn?*

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndmin/950520000

* aka. WTF? [)]



1+1+2+4 = 8

note the 2 uncommons per booster,

quote:
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So my money is on Pseudodragon or White Wyrmling.

Im hopeing for the baby white but I think Im the minority here.



I'm with you, as long as it looks better than the Small White from Dragoneye. I'd like a tiny black wyrmling even better!

Brass or Copper are other possibilities, but I don't need those myself.

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04/12/2006 11:37 AM  
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So my money is on Pseudodragon or White Wyrmling.




Pseudodragon perhaps, but I'd doubt the White Wyrmling only because we already have the Small White from DE and we still don't have many wyrmlings and/or smalls of other colors.

Now, would I like to see a white wyrmling? Absolutely!

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04/12/2006 11:40 AM  
I just realized I was misreading Shoe's post. The WTFin this case applies solely to me. Please ignore all my rubbish about 9 per box.

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I just realized I was misreading Shoe's post. The WTFin this case applies solely to me. Please ignore all my rubbish about 9 per box.

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04/12/2006 1:20 PM  
Thanks for the confirmation Shoe, it is very comforting to have you around to give us information and fun riddles [)]

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WOW - i'm going to have to buy a lot of cases to finsih this set.

How many others are diving in for 4 cases at the outset?

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[I'd rather have an RPG fodder critter NOT waste rare slots. From an RPG standpoint rare fodder critters are complete wastes of space. That means one less desirable (Rust Monster, Dragon, etc) that will not be included in a set.



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WOW - i'm going to have to buy a lot of cases to finsih this set.

How many others are diving in for 4 cases at the outset?



I am, but this is only 1 more than would have been the case if it was 9 or 12 boosters per case.

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Originally posted by Harneloot

How many others are diving in for 4 cases at the outset?


I normally do 5 cases, but it'll only net me 6x5=30 boosters, instead of the usual 60, so I'm not sure what to do... might order more since the cases themselves should be cheaper - right?

12x$13 = $156/case x5 = $780
6x$19 = $114/case x5 = $570

difference of $210

Should be able to get almost 2 more cases, right?

Math is not fun... [:(]


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04/12/2006 2:54 PM  
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Originally posted by zenthrus

I'd rather have an RPG fodder critter NOT waste rare slots. From an RPG standpoint rare fodder critters are complete wastes of space. That means one less desirable (Rust Monster, Dragon, etc) that will not be included in a set.


These are miniatures. There's no such thing as a "waste" one. Perhaps I just look at it differently but I am glad they have mixed in new creatures and haven't inundated us with classic monsters from the outset. This means that new players don't have to worry they'll never get a certain classic monster cos they didn't start with teh first set, it serves as an impetus for people to keep buying and for new players to join up.

Most importanlty you have to remember that the people who are responsible for making DDM are largely D&D fans. They want the same creatures we all do. The fact they are taking their time making them says to me that they are both dedicated to ensuring that these classic creatures are the best quality possible, and that they forsee a long lifespan for the game and thus don't feel a need to rush them all out or they'll never get made at all.

So though it may seem contrary to logic, classic monsters trickling out over a long period of time is a good thing.

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04/12/2006 3:46 PM  
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Originally posted by Sulaco

quote:
Originally posted by zenthrus

I'd rather have an RPG fodder critter NOT waste rare slots. From an RPG standpoint rare fodder critters are complete wastes of space. That means one less desirable (Rust Monster, Dragon, etc) that will not be included in a set.


These are miniatures. There's no such thing as a "waste" one. Perhaps I just look at it differently but I am glad they have mixed in new creatures and haven't inundated us with classic monsters from the outset. This means that new players don't have to worry they'll never get a certain classic monster cos they didn't start with teh first set, it serves as an impetus for people to keep buying and for new players to join up.

Most importanlty you have to remember that the people who are responsible for making DDM are largely D&D fans. They want the same creatures we all do. The fact they are taking their time making them says to me that they are both dedicated to ensuring that these classic creatures are the best quality possible, and that they forsee a long lifespan for the game and thus don't feel a need to rush them all out or they'll never get made at all.

So though it may seem contrary to logic, classic monsters trickling out over a long period of time is a good thing.



Sound logic, and I agree.

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