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04/17/2006 9:48 AM  
Well if you think about it...there really arent many Huge creatures that travel in big groups..So the difference between what should be rare and what should be uncommon isnt that big a deal to me. I think Bullete was a good choice for uncommon..You encounter 2 sometimes..Same with Cloud Giants. I would have liked to see Nightwalkers be rare and Glabrezus be uncommon..Thats all I would have changed.

As far as what is U and what is R...Meh. All that REALLY matters is what will occupy the 12 slots. With only 12 huges every 2 years each choice better be great.
Unfortunatly 2 Aspects and a Dracolich are major wastes of space considering we still need Hydras and Elementals.

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04/17/2006 10:23 AM  
Dracolich I wouldn't call a waste (ok ya we could of used a large one instead)
I'm guessing we get a huge Fire Elemental this round. Please be uncommon as I could use 2.

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04/17/2006 11:41 AM  
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I think Bullete was a good choice for uncommon..You encounter 2 sometimes..Same with Cloud Giants. I would have liked to see Nightwalkers be rare and Glabrezus be uncommon..Thats all I would have changed....

...Unfortunatly 2 Aspects and a Dracolich are major wastes of space considering we still need Hydras and Elementals.



Spot on, Count. The Bulette and the Cloud Giant were excellent uncommons.

If new RPGers are to be encouraged to start buying minis to support their role-playing, then every set needs to give them lots of stuff they will actually use.

I can imagine starting out roleplaying and buying some WotDQ boosters, and being initially pleased by Tiamat, Bahamut and the Dracolich and then actually thinking about what I'd do with them. ("Fantastic! With these I could... um ... Well, I could use them for .... err. I guess they'd make attractive doorstops [:I].")

Those sorts of things are fine when you've been playing for ages and want to try a very high-powered campaign. By comparison, the Cloud Giant is a great proxy for any huge humanoid, the Bulette covers anything long but not tall and the Treant will do for loads of tall non-humanoids. They give a new player just about everything they need in the way of huge minis that might actually be encountered in a session.

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04/17/2006 11:47 AM  
Wouldn't it be nice if 4 of the 6 uncommon slots were devoted to one of each elemental? [:D]

Won't happen but it would be nice.

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04/17/2006 12:12 PM  
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Wouldn't it be nice if 4 of the 6 uncommon slots were devoted to one of each elemental? [:D]

Won't happen but it would be nice.



With Fire, Water, and Air all done in transparent plastics.....

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04/17/2006 1:16 PM  
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quote:
Originally posted by zenthrus

Wouldn't it be nice if 4 of the 6 uncommon slots were devoted to one of each elemental? [:D]

Won't happen but it would be nice.



With Fire, Water, and Air all done in transparent plastics.....

Dream on .. Sigh.



It IS a nice dream though...

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Not trying to throw salt but the g-cube in 3.5 is a huge.....(just looked on the SRD) [)]


But they errata'd it to 10x10, which makes it a large. Much as I want a g-cube I don't think a Huge is the way to go. 'Sides, a solid huge-sized cube of material would make cherrypicking one a no-brainer.

I think we'll see a rare Huge White Dragon in WDQ.

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04/17/2006 3:26 PM  
Uncommon Athach
Uncommon Bebilith
Uncommon Huge Fiendish Spider (we already know)
Uncommon Huge Skeletal Giant
Uncommon Huge Fire Elemental
Uncommon Huge Water Elemental
Rare Aboleth
Rare Aspect of Bahumut
Rare Aspect of Tiamat
Rare Huge Blue Dracolich
Rare Huge White Dragon (Green seems unlikely due to the Dracolich being a Blue)
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04/17/2006 4:06 PM  
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Originally posted by greyhaze

Uncommon Athach
Uncommon Bebilith
Uncommon Huge Fiendish Spider (we already know)
Uncommon Huge Skeletal Giant
Uncommon Huge Fire Elemental
Uncommon Huge Water Elemental
Rare Aboleth
Rare Aspect of Bahumut
Rare Aspect of Tiamat
Rare Huge Blue Dracolich
Rare Huge White Dragon (Green seems unlikely due to the Dracolich being a Blue)
Rare Remorhaz


Unfortunatly this list is to good to be true (Though I would like a Hydra. Other than that its great)

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04/17/2006 4:24 PM  
Doh! Can't believe I skipped over the hydra, here lemme fix that...

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Uncommon Huge Fire Elemental
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04/17/2006 5:03 PM  
I can't see a Bebilith and huge spider in the same set as they are simular. Yes one is a fiend but still very much close in model.

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04/17/2006 5:19 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze

Doh! Can't believe I skipped over the hydra, here lemme fix that...

Uncommon Athach
Uncommon Huge Fiendish Spider (we already know)
Uncommon Huge Skeletal Giant
Uncommon Huge Fire Elemental
Uncommon Huge Water Elemental
Uncommon Hydra
Rare Aboleth
Rare Aspect of Bahumut
Rare Aspect of Tiamat
Rare Bebilith or Nalfeshnee
Rare Huge Blue Dracolich
Rare Huge White Dragon (Green seems unlikely due to the Dracolich being a Blue)




That is one hot list [:O]

I'd MUCH rather see a Nalfeshnee than a Bebilith (who needs two Huge spiders? Huge winged monkeys are infinitely cooler).

Any list we concoct that seems too good to be true isn't likely to happen esepcially because every set must now include an earth elemental [:P]

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04/17/2006 6:19 PM  
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I can't see a Bebilith and huge spider in the same set as they are simular. Yes one is a fiend but still very much close in model.



Not necessisarily.
The Huge Spider can be like a big Tarantula.
The Belilith has skinny spindly legs and it holds itself higher off the ground. Plus its abdoman curls up under itself like a scorpions tail..except its under instead of over the back.

Lets not forget a Storm Giant and a Cloud Giant in the same set..Without seeing the minis you could say the same thing about them being way to phisically similar.

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04/17/2006 6:28 PM  
The list above contains only 1 "normal" huge dragon - which means it sucks in my opinion!

There had better be 2 huge "normal" (preferably chromatic) dragons in the War of the Dragon Queen set!!!

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04/17/2006 6:59 PM  
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Dracolich I wouldn't call a waste (ok ya we could of used a large one instead)
I'm guessing we get a huge Fire Elemental this round. Please be uncommon as I could use 2.



Large Dracolich? No thanks! When a Dragon becomes a Dracolich it ceases to age and therefore doesnt get anymore powerful this means that most Dragons wont choose to become Dracoliches until there much older ie when there Colossal/Gargantuan/Huge a Large Dragon wouldnt want to become a Dracolich

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04/17/2006 9:22 PM  
A nalfeshnee would be great! I have no use for the athach. I can see why some people would want one, as it's in the Monster Manual, but its one of those "new" monsters from Third Edition that I never quiet adopted. I've yet to use one in a game, and I don't plan to ever use one. Even in published adventures I've always replaced them with something else when the show up in the module as written.


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04/17/2006 11:50 PM  
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A nalfeshnee would be great! I have no use for the athach. I can see why some people would want one, as it's in the Monster Manual, but its one of those "new" monsters from Third Edition that I never quiet adopted. I've yet to use one in a game, and I don't plan to ever use one. Even in published adventures I've always replaced them with something else when the show up in the module as written.


Give the Athach a try. They're pretty spiffy [:D]

I'd love an Athach, unfortunately I think that a Ridiculous (tendriculous) is more likely. Have to have some sort of Nightwalker Huge that everyone will hate [:P]

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04/18/2006 12:16 AM  
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned a huge scorpion as a possible uncommon. I know, nobody wants it AND the spider in the same set, and it seems unlikely, but we all know Shoe and his change-ups.[:)]

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04/18/2006 3:07 AM  
I wouldn't mind a huge scorpion. [^]

A huge praying mantis on the other hand....[V]

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04/18/2006 10:20 AM  
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I'd love an Athach, unfortunately I think that a Ridiculous (tendriculous) is more likely.



Wha? I like the tendriculous...

Huge Scorpion or Huge Centipede would be cool too. [:)] But u'r right, hopefully just the Spider is in this set, one per set for huge vermin plz. danke.


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04/18/2006 10:34 AM  
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Originally posted by greyhaze

Doh! Can't believe I skipped over the hydra, here lemme fix that...

Uncommon Athach
Uncommon Huge Fiendish Spider (we already know)
Uncommon Huge Skeletal Giant
Uncommon Huge Fire Elemental
Uncommon Huge Water Elemental
Uncommon Hydra
Rare Aboleth
Rare Aspect of Bahumut
Rare Aspect of Tiamat
Rare Bebilith or Nalfeshnee
Rare Huge Blue Dracolich
Rare Huge White Dragon (Green seems unlikely due to the Dracolich being a Blue)




That would be 2 huge evil elementals. I would think we might get one good and one evil elemental as huges in this set.

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04/18/2006 10:36 AM  
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Not trying to throw salt but the g-cube in 3.5 is a huge.....(just looked on the SRD) [)]


But they errata'd it to 10x10, which makes it a large. Much as I want a g-cube I don't think a Huge is the way to go. 'Sides, a solid huge-sized cube of material would make cherrypicking one a no-brainer.




Not to mention I think a Huge with that much Clear plasitc in the first set to utilize it would be overkill IMHO. This is also why I see a Large clear plastic Water Elemental in this set instead of a Huge.

(course I also think putting both the G-Cube large and the LWE large in the same set is also overkill of clear plastic)

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04/18/2006 10:38 AM  
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quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze

Doh! Can't believe I skipped over the hydra, here lemme fix that...

Uncommon Athach
Uncommon Huge Fiendish Spider (we already know)
Uncommon Huge Skeletal Giant
Uncommon Huge Fire Elemental
Uncommon Huge Water Elemental
Uncommon Hydra
Rare Aboleth
Rare Aspect of Bahumut
Rare Aspect of Tiamat
Rare Bebilith or Nalfeshnee
Rare Huge Blue Dracolich
Rare Huge White Dragon (Green seems unlikely due to the Dracolich being a Blue)




That would be 2 huge evil elementals. I would think we might get one good and one evil elemental as huges in this set.



Yep, which is why I'm sticking to my list on lord knows what page at this point.

EDIT: found it.

Huge Spider - Uncommon
Huge Undead Giant - Uncommon
Huge Fire Elemental - Uncommon
Hure Earth Elemental - Uncommon
Remorhaz - Uncommon
Celestial Tryceratops - Uncommon (hey there has to be something I despise right?)
Hydra - Rare
Aspect of Tiamat - Rare
Aspect of Bahamut - Rare
Blue Dracolich - Rare
Huge Green/White Dragon - Rare
Forest Giant - Rare

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04/18/2006 11:30 AM  
Why were Elementals given alignments anyway? Fire and Water are evil and Earth and Air are good?
Thats just stupid. Why arent they usable in any faction?

Fire and Water are definilty the most useful and would be the most welcome for RPG purposes..Those 2 just crop up more frequently when dealing with the huge size elementals.

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04/18/2006 11:40 AM  
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Fire and Water and definilty the most useful and would be the most welcome for RPG purposes..Those 2 just crop up more when dealing with the huge sizes.



True, but we won't get that as it conflicts with Zenthrus' Rule [:)]:

quote:
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Any list we concoct that seems too good to be true isn't likely to happen esepcially because every set must now include an earth elemental [:P]


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That would be 2 huge evil elementals. I would think we might get one good and one evil elemental as huges in this set.



I don't mind. [)]

In RPG, it's irrelevant...

Look how many Earth Elementals we have! x3 x4


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04/18/2006 1:40 PM  
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Originally posted by greyhaze

Doh! Can't believe I skipped over the hydra, here lemme fix that...

Uncommon Athach
Uncommon Huge Fiendish Spider (we already know)
Uncommon Huge Skeletal Giant
Uncommon Huge Fire Elemental
Uncommon Huge Water Elemental
Uncommon Hydra
Rare Aboleth
Rare Aspect of Bahumut
Rare Aspect of Tiamat
Rare Bebilith or Nalfeshnee
Rare Huge Blue Dracolich
Rare Huge White Dragon (Green seems unlikely due to the Dracolich being a Blue)




hey! where did the Huge Rare Remorhaaz go to? change that one for the Nalfeshnee and you got a dream list.

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04/18/2006 3:13 PM  
Although I like very much you share with me the love for some minis as Nalfeshnee, Athach, Aboleth and Huge Elementals; I'm kind a curious what's your opinion of some giant-kin as the Eldritch Giant, Death Giant, Geriviar (from MM 3) and Pharlinn Giant (from MoF)...

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hey! where did the Huge Rare Remorhaaz go to? change that one for the Nalfeshnee and you got a dream list.



In a perfect world I'd pull the Aspect of Bahumut and put in the Remorhaz, but I figured the Hydra was beast enough for the list (and although marginally, the Hydra wins out IMHO).

If that was directed at me Mjollnir, I'm not really keen on those giant types.


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04/18/2006 6:14 PM  
Don't forget the Red Hand of Doom spoilers. There was a comment that said that all of the creatures in that module would make it into DDM by the end of the year (or would have a good proxy).

Accordingly, here is my list:

1 Aspect of Tiamat (confirmed)
2 Huge Fiendish Spider (confirmed)
3 Dracolich (confirmed)
4 Aspect of Bahamut (reasonable speculation based upon start of alphabet comment/Aspect of Tiamat))
5 Huge Black Dragon (side of box art)
6 Forest Giant (Red Hand of Doom)
7 Hydra (Red Hand of Doom)
8 Yrthack (Red Hand of Doom)
9 (Fiendish?) Giant Crocodile (Red Hand of Doom)
10 Huge Earth Elemental (based upon 'wait for huge earth elemental' comment made during UD previews).
11 Huge Fire Elemental (to balance the Earth Elemental)
12 Juggernaut (One of the few huges that would fit in good)

My best guesses ...

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4 Aspect of Bahamut (reasonable speculation based upon start of alphabet comment/Aspect of Tiamat))



Where was that hint again? Cause maybe it's an Aboleth in this case...


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4 Aspect of Bahamut (reasonable speculation based upon start of alphabet comment/Aspect of Tiamat))



Where was that hint again? Cause maybe it's an Aboleth in this case...

The hint was that figure 01 in the set is a huge figure ... which means that figure 01 is a huge LG figure. Aboleth will not be LG.

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True, but we won't get that as it conflicts with Zenthrus' Rule [:)]:

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Any list we concoct that seems too good to be true isn't likely to happen esepcially because every set must now include an earth elemental [:P]





Sweet! I have my own rule now [:D]

I'm actually rather sad that there's such a high likelihood of an Aspect of Bahamut. A Huge silver dragon proxy just isn't all that useful RPG-wise (although hopefully by now they'll be making dragons skirmish useful...time will tell).

If we're keeping the alignments balanced I'd expect a Huge Fire (CE) Elemental and a Huge Earth (LG) Elemental (perish the thought of producing a large/huge water elemental [:O)]).


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04/19/2006 8:37 AM  
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Don't forget the Red Hand of Doom spoilers. There was a comment that said that all of the creatures in that module would make it into DDM by the end of the year (or would have a good proxy).

Accordingly, here is my list:

1 Aspect of Tiamat (confirmed)
2 Huge Fiendish Spider (confirmed)
3 Dracolich (confirmed)
4 Aspect of Bahamut (reasonable speculation based upon start of alphabet comment/Aspect of Tiamat))
5 Huge Black Dragon (side of box art)
6 Forest Giant (Red Hand of Doom)
7 Hydra (Red Hand of Doom)
8 Yrthack (Red Hand of Doom)
9 (Fiendish?) Giant Crocodile (Red Hand of Doom)
10 Huge Earth Elemental (based upon 'wait for huge earth elemental' comment made during UD previews).
11 Huge Fire Elemental (to balance the Earth Elemental)
12 Juggernaut (One of the few huges that would fit in good)

My best guesses ...


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04/19/2006 11:03 AM  
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4 Aspect of Bahamut (reasonable speculation based upon start of alphabet comment/Aspect of Tiamat))



Where was that hint again? Cause maybe it's an Aboleth in this case...

The hint was that figure 01 in the set is a huge figure ... which means that figure 01 is a huge LG figure. Aboleth will not be LG.



How 'bout the infamous Aboleth Paladin? [:D]

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04/20/2006 12:22 AM  
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quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze

quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
4 Aspect of Bahamut (reasonable speculation based upon start of alphabet comment/Aspect of Tiamat))



Where was that hint again? Cause maybe it's an Aboleth in this case...

The hint was that figure 01 in the set is a huge figure ... which means that figure 01 is a huge LG figure. Aboleth will not be LG.



With the nice list up for reference 01 in each set is...

Cleric of Order
Cleric of Moradin
Cleric of Lathander
Bronze Wyrmling
Alusair Obarskyr
Champion of Yondalla
Caravan Guard
Battle Plate Marshall
Arcane Ballista

Not a great correlation to strongly expect the first fig in WotDQ to begin with A or even B. Celestial huge creature may be just as likely (elephant or triceratops off the Summon list).

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04/20/2006 12:50 AM  
Hmmm....less likely to see Aspect of Bahamut. More likely to see Celestial Triceratops. Excellent. Now my herd of T-Reges will have something to snack on [:P]

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04/20/2006 1:59 AM  
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Hmmm....less likely to see Aspect of Bahamut. More likely to see Celestial Triceratops. Excellent. Now my herd of T-Reges will have something to snack on [:P]



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04/20/2006 3:18 PM  
Looks like we were ALL wrong.

One of the Huge Uncommons is a Purple Worm.

Why didnt any of us guess that?

Oh yeah because its supposed to be GARGANTUAN.

Oh well it still looks really sweet.

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