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04/25/2006 11:47 PM  
It's close but not really exact, but I though maybe this one:



Would be a pseudodragon:




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04/25/2006 11:47 PM  
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OK, i know everyone is saying this guy is a Huge Fire Elemental, but I think I see a weapon on his left hand (or right paw, who knows?).

So could this be a fiery-templated creature? Is there such a thing... yet?





I'm guessing it's a Noble Salamander. The maw-like shape on its right could actually be a shield.




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04/26/2006 12:00 AM  
Thought someone guessed that #1 was a water drake? How big do those things get?


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04/26/2006 12:03 AM  
Yeah, I'm guessing at least one of these has to be a drake, or at least one in the set.

Also, I'm thinking on , it might be a Tartarian (sp?) Dragon, one of the planar dragons from Carceri.

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04/26/2006 12:04 AM  
well, that's just not fair, those who know still can't talk about it [:(] it is driving me nuts! [)]

Interesting format of doing this...Cool that they are actually going to show the actual final mini too [:D]

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04/26/2006 12:05 AM  
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Thought someone guessed that #1 was a water drake? How big do those things get?



They start out at size Large.

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04/26/2006 12:09 AM  
#2- I guess a orc samurai- he is real stocky
#3- fang dragon
#4- aspect of zuggitomy ( ToEE) or bibdeploop
#5- I'm going to say fairy dragon ( just beacause I can)
#6- E.T. about to be killed by an ax wielding elliot.
#7- i think this may be the aspect of bahumet- - look at the head.
#8- a well endowed dracolich
#9- pretty vague- could be an elemental- a golem or even undead- no clue.
#10- big fist and a human looking face- no clue
#11- I know that pose from somewhere-
#12- i'm going obscure here- klurichur
#13- athach
#14- Enlarged female spriggen...:)
#15- that eviscerator thing.
#16- invisible mammoth with kobald sorcerers riding it.

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04/26/2006 12:09 AM  
For the sake of the guessing game, here are the sillhouettes, (if i can keep up) labelled with people's more popular guesses:

#1:
Aspect of Bahamut? Crystal Dragon? Sacred Warder of Bahamut? Aspect of Paladine? Howling Dragon?

#2:
Gnome? Warforged? Katana-wielding human? Dragonspawn or Dragonborn? Azarr Kul? Draconian Samurai? Orc Samurai? Crouched reptilian warrior?

#3:
Spiky Lizard? Huge Baby Tarrasque? Fang dragon? Celestial Triceratops? Greater Basilisk? Landwyrm? Horned Felldrake? Fang Dragon? Spiked Felldrake? Abyssal Greater Basilisk?

#4:
Leafy Treant? Some kind of new Worm? Other kind of tree? Lobster? Templated Umber Hulk? Orcwort Tree? Huge Fiendish Spider? Aspect of Zuggtmoy? Rukanyr? Assassin Vine? Quori?

#5:
Giant Owl? Elf on Giant Owl? Huge or Large Brass Dragon? Bronze Dragon? Gold Dragon? Celestial/Fiendish Unicorn? Blue Dragon? Fairy Dragon? Kirin? Peryton? Winged Unicorn? Pegasus? Fang Dragon?

#6:
Talenta on Dinosaur? Dwarf riding a Drow lizard?

#7:
Some kind of dragon? Linnorm? Umber Hulk? Squamous Spewer? pseudodragon? Ghostly dragon? Tarterian Dragon? White Dragon? Dragon Golem? Aspect of Bahamut? Squamous Spewer?

#8:
Blue Dracolich?

#9:
Fire Elemental? Corpse Collector? Huge Earth Elemental? Azer Commander? Invisible Stalker? Water or Air Elemental?

#10:
Frost Salamander? Fire Elemental? Draconic Monster? Yuan-Ti?

#11:
Athach? Hobgoblin? Eldritch Giant? Spawn of Tiamat? Gnoll?

#12:
Cornugon? Gem (Amethyst) Dragon? Pit Fiend? White or Black Dragon? Belker? Klurichur? Spawn of Tiamat? Abishai?

#13:
Athach? Mountain Giant? Hooded Pupil? Tree with a Cello? Sea Monster with a Guitar? Fog Giant? Phaerlin Giant? Bard?

#14:
Spellcaster with a staff and cloak? Rakshasa? Female Aspect? Enlarged Female Spriggen? female Waarrior(samurai?) Pulling Blade from scabbard? Nazarathune?

#15:
Mounted Dragon? Marilith? Slaughterstone Eviscerator? Lord of Blades Mounted? Retriever?

#16:
Mammoth? Wooly Mammoth-Riding Orc? Tentacled Monster? Frost Giant on Mastodon? Two warriors mounted on elephant or mastodon?

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04/26/2006 12:13 AM  
They do now.

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04/26/2006 12:26 AM  
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Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
And, by the way, I *love* the speculation. I can firmly say some of them are very right and others are very wrong. Amuses the heck out of me....



Well, I have to say I was surprised to see this, echoed as it is throughout the thread.

This leak has caused a lot of drama, much of it stemming from members' frustration at being kept in the dark about the pictures.

I'm 100 per cent behind every decision the moderators have made about the situation, but as a member of the 'out crowd', it's still hard not to get a little irked. I realise it's a tad immature, but heck, Maxminis is built on a foundation of sharing the hot goss.

I think comments such as these should not be made. Regardless of intent, to readers such as myself who didn't see the leak, they come across as follows: "Speculate all you want, I already know, na na na."
It makes it hard to 'let the subject drop' as has been requested, when those who have seen the images continually reference the fact that they have seen all - and they're not sharing.




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04/26/2006 12:30 AM  
Again, I just really hope that none of us who've seen the pictures does anything smart-alecky.

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04/26/2006 12:39 AM  
I'm thinking that Row 1, Column 3 is a Spiked Felldrake.

See Here or Here.

I've been spending a LOT of time looking at Chainmail minis lately.

Other than that? I've got nothing.

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04/26/2006 12:45 AM  
My guesses:

#1, Aspect of Bahamut or a Sacred Warder of Bahamut.
#2, for some reason this reminds me of a bugbear, but it could be the BBEG from RHoD.
#3, a celestial dino; baby tarrasque; felldrake; not sure.
#4, not sure; looks plant-like.
#5, copper or brass dragon.
#6, Halfling dino rider.
#7, looks like a dragon of some type.
#8, blue dracolich.
#9, beats me.....
#10, huge fire elemental.
#11, a gnoll. The legs seems backward-bending; that's fairly typical of gnolls.
#12, white dragon; spawn of Tiamat?
#13, some kind of giant with a club.
#14, not a spell caster; it's charging forward and the right hand has a sword, not a staff?
#15, slaughterstone eviscerator from MM III.
#16, looks like a mammoth with rider but I think it's something else.

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04/26/2006 12:45 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer

I'm thinking that Row 1, Column 3 is a Spiked Felldrake.

See Here or Here.

I've been spending a LOT of time looking at Chainmail minis lately.

Other than that? I've got nothing.



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04/26/2006 1:09 AM  
SO...now that the pictures are leaked...and up on the web for all to see. How about them Skirmish Stats...can I share?

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04/26/2006 1:12 AM  
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Originally posted by psistef

I think comments such as these should not be made. Regardless of intent, to readers such as myself who didn't see the leak, they come across as follows: "Speculate all you want, I already know, na na na."
It makes it hard to 'let the subject drop' as has been requested, when those who have seen the images continually reference the fact that they have seen all - and they're not sharing.


Good point.

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04/26/2006 1:15 AM  
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Originally posted by Kissmykiester

SO...now that the pictures are leaked...and up on the web for all to see. How about them Skirmish Stats...can I share?



My guess is no. Please don't share, as Lurkinglidda needs to hang onto all the skirmish info she can to trade in exchange to those who might have lost out on exclusives because of the leak.

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04/26/2006 1:17 AM  
I'm thinking that a lot of the 'dragons' in this preview aren't actually dragons, but Dragonspawn from the Red Hand of Doom. Bluespawn Thunderlizard seems likely, as does a Greenspawn Razorwing(or whatever it's called).

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04/26/2006 1:20 AM  
I think #5 may just be that Winged Unicorn but it could also be a Dire Pegasus.

Haven't seen the piccies yet so am not prepared to speculate on the rest.


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04/26/2006 1:25 AM  
is it just me or does the Blue Dracolich remind you of "All Dogs Go To Heaven" (the old Disney film).
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04/26/2006 2:06 AM  
As a note, I'm also trying to add the guesses given on the WOTC boards, too.

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04/26/2006 2:44 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by lurkinglidda

quote:
Originally posted by psistef

I think comments such as these should not be made. Regardless of intent, to readers such as myself who didn't see the leak, they come across as follows: "Speculate all you want, I already know, na na na."
It makes it hard to 'let the subject drop' as has been requested, when those who have seen the images continually reference the fact that they have seen all - and they're not sharing.


Good point.


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04/26/2006 2:45 AM  
Thats what I find amazing. So many people have seen the pics and then go and tell people that they shouldnt be looking, etc. How many of the mods or other ppl who saw the pics would have honestly not chosen to look at the pics? I dare say very very little, and then they are yanked off and everyone is told that they shouldnt be looking for them or looking at them if they come across. It is very easy to say so when you have already seen the pics and know exactly what the peices look like.

Everyone else i sjust as eager, but now they must wait and see the pics one day at a time. Which wouldnt be so bad, but then you have others coming on here and then practically throwing it in their faces that they already know. It really is quite frustrating to ppl who didnt get the chance to see the pictures. And then to have the ppl who did see it tell them they shouldnt try to be looking is kind of a double standard, etc.

Now its fine if Lidda, Shoe, Ian, etc come on here and like to tease the maxminis folks. But is it right that fellow fans are privvy to knowledge that the community as a whole doesnt? I think this is very messed up and very counter-productive. The great thing about the community was that basically everyone was on equal footing. Everyone knew at the same time about certain figures, etc. But now it has become lopsided. Some ppl have seen a lot of pictures, others have seen the 16 released, others are hinting they know stats, etc. Kind of imbalanced, but hey I guess thats life right? Well maybe, but then that causes frustration and annoyance. And a lot of the people who are the ones who say "Live with it, you dont need to know everything" are the ones who already do, or know more. Very easy to do so in this case.

Showing the pics 1 at a time was a clever and interesting way of doing it. But personally making ppl wait over 3 weeks to actually see every single picture is kind of messed up. Especially since the ppl who have already seen basically keep mentioning it. If I didnt think I'd get in trouble for doing so, I'd definately put up a link to all the pictures just so most ppl were back to "equal footing" as I call it. But then I know the ppl who have seen all the pictures would complain and moan how Wizards doesnt want everyone to see them. So I guess I'll just hang out and watch the speculation.. =/

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04/26/2006 3:25 AM  
lopsided knowledge is bad for the community, and rubbing peoples noses just makes it worse, but I love the way WotC is handling this with daily pre-previews.

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04/26/2006 4:01 AM  
To True_Blue:
I completely agree with you.

This is what I think (I understand many people disagree with me):
It's nice to have a good relationship with the seller.
But it's their job to keep us happy, not the other way round.
We pay them money, not the other way round.
We as conusmers and hobbiests should look out for eachother first.
Maxminis and similar sites were created to share the gossip and hot leaks as they occurred. Pics of minis have always been linked and posted before WOTC has released previews of them (eg. pics of origins displays, pics of upcoming posters, etc).
The material (ie. pics) is no different this time, just the source (an anonymous poster).
I understand that maxminis probably had to get rid of them due to potential legal trouble, but for everyone to be silent about what they saw because WOTC wants them to is just silly.
I WANT to know what the pics contained. Some of my fellow gamers KNOW what they contained. So why not tell me and everyone else who wants to know?
I understand some people don't want to know (that's there business).
What I don't understand, is that some fellow gamers DON'T want me to know. Huh? Why are we fighting eachother?

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04/26/2006 4:06 AM  
Number 9 better be a Water or Air Elemmental!

And it seems we only get one or two huge elementals so far! Geeez... this means waiting for ANOTHER huge set before we can fill the gaps. If you have a lot of druid players then it drives you mad to proxy all the time.
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04/26/2006 4:33 AM  
I would say it just comes down to a person's character. I'm betting that if I wanted to see the pics that a good amount of people saw I could. I know people that did see them and was even teased a little about them by others. Part of me does want to see them and part of me doesn't. Since I know they weren't legal images and having pleas from people at WotC that I respect as well as the mods here I am keeping honest and won't go seeking the pictures. Still I know that I'd much rather know the game stats than just have some blurry pictures of minis that I have no clue what will do for me playwise anyway. Ooooh it's a Gem Dragon that does.... uh... Dragon Gemmy stuff. Sure I like to look at cool minis but all it does is give me a picture without anything else.

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04/26/2006 4:48 AM  
I actually did make a page with all the leaked images, but decided against revealing it to the public after lurkinglidda's plea. I then removed it from my web server to avoid any chances of people accidentally stumbling across it.

I really fail to understand the preorder drama. I didn't get to see the pics until three days after they were first posted, and, quite frankly, I didn't expect to see them. Seeing them didn't change my mind at all about the WDQ purchase, despite the fact that several minis I was really hoping for apparently aren't in the set.

It's all about trust. If WotC people hadn't come here and made honest statements about their fears and their disappointment, I likely would have made my page public. However, after they did, it would have been... a REALLY impolite thing to do.

It's just like it was during the development of Baldur's Gate III: The Black Hound (RIP). I was "in the know," yet I was very careful about what I posted about the game. I didn't want to betray the devs' trust, because I knew how much they cared about the game.

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04/26/2006 4:52 AM  

I know that people have been going for a Slaughterstone Eviscerator here, and that seems a good guess. But those jagged 'blades' could also be jagged legs - a Retriever perhaps?

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04/26/2006 4:53 AM  
I've just put the minis in perspective somewhat by making all their bases the same thickness. Maybe this helps in identifying the figures. I have no idea how to insert a picture here, but it would seem that the minis belong to the following categories:

huge: 1, 8, 10, 11, 13 and 16
large: 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 12, 14 and 15
medium: 4 and 6

Not entirely what I expected... I expected 2, 9 and 14 to be medium... but there you have it.

(Of course, this is assuming that the whole bases are shown in the silhouettes.)


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04/26/2006 5:47 AM  
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ROTFL ! Exactly what I thought when I saw the pic...

Looks like a mountain giant with his club (like the pic in the 1st ed. FF or MM2)

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04/26/2006 5:48 AM  
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They made it official: no gnomes in WotDQ.



Wow. This set is looking better already!

Are these silouettes of all of the Huges? It sure looks that way to me.

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04/26/2006 5:59 AM  
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Originally posted by Pale Rider

quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden

They made it official: no gnomes in WotDQ.



Wow. This set is looking better already!

Are these silouettes of all of the Huges? It sure looks that way to me.



With 16 pictures and only 12 huge minis in the set, it's safe to say they are not all huge.

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04/26/2006 6:00 AM  
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I'm 100 per cent behind every decision the moderators have made about the situation, but as a member of the 'out crowd', it's still hard not to get a little irked. I realise it's a tad immature, but heck, Maxminis is built on a foundation of sharing the hot goss.

I think comments such as these should not be made. Regardless of intent, to readers such as myself who didn't see the leak, they come across as follows: "Speculate all you want, I already know, na na na."
It makes it hard to 'let the subject drop' as has been requested, when those who have seen the images continually reference the fact that they have seen all - and they're not sharing.




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04/26/2006 6:07 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by Pale Rider

quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden

They made it official: no gnomes in WotDQ.



Wow. This set is looking better already!

Are these silouettes of all of the Huges? It sure looks that way to me.



Nope. Compare the dimensions of the base and you'll see that only 6 of these are likely to be huge (see my post on the previous page)


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04/26/2006 7:01 AM  
Gotta remember that the last preview said how WotDQ has a special emphasis on the yet-unreleased MMIV. Odds-on some of the ones we poor spoiler-deprived souls can't guess (like #4, for instance) are out of that book...

Anyway...

#1: who cares? ;) It's a huge dragon that'll do nicely as a bad guy. (Can you tell I'm an RPGer and don't skirmish?)
#2: There's something a little bugbearish about the posture and ears, but the feet don't jibe with that. Really don't know.
#3: could be a greater basilisk, but the pose looks a litte wrong.
#4: If it had two arms I'd say a bhut for sure, but as it is I'll go for some sort of plant critter
#5: Not an owl, the wing profiles are wrong.
#11 has to be some sort of hairy monstrous humanoid with digitigrade feet - those aren't boots he's wearing, and the line of the thigh is a big giveaway. Normal humanoids (and eldritch giants, for that matter, have knees
#12: I reckon whoever it was who guessed the amethyst dragon is spot-on. It's the wings.
#15 is a slaughterstone eviscerator, sure as eggs.
#16 has a mounted Frost Giant (woohoo!) Even regular elephants are Huge, and scale-wise that makes the rider far too big to be an orc or anything else Medium. And I should say, I picked this, back in the 'Huge Ones Speculation' thread!

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04/26/2006 7:29 AM  
I like this way of revealing the upcoming miniatures. It adds a bit of mystery and also encourages almost endless speculation.

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04/26/2006 7:44 AM  
If TheDoctor is right about the base sizes, then #4 being a medium is a problem for Aspect of Zuggtmoy. But there wouldn't be anything preventing it from being an ordinary fungus (violet or phantom), would there?

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04/26/2006 7:50 AM  
Heee this is fun. I did so miss these days.

Yeah number #15 is definately that Slaughterstone Eviserator with the off-chance of being the Lord of Blades.

I don't know why but it feels like there should be an Umber Hulk in there somewhere, though I know that's not the case.

So do we get mini #2 today then? That's one of the ones I'm most looking forward to knowing what it is. Let's at least hone our speculation down a bit to this one.

Mini #2: Half-Dragon/Dragonspawn/Draconian something or other. That looks like a tail at its bottom left corner.

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