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05/01/2006 2:13 PM  
Well, I didnt like it. Although I'm open to new kinds of creatures, I really disliked the looks of this guy, and dont think I will use it very much in my campaigns. Would a 100 times better have a true lammasu - though its another piece I wouldnt be so keen on. Dont want to complain, but I'd really like to see some more classic stuff, or at least some monsters with class levels? Missing some more lizardfolk, and cmon, a kir-lanan wouldn't hurt, eh? As for dragons, I believe we'll get at least 1 or 2 of the core ones in this set, apart from dragonspawn and Tiamat. There's the blue dragon dude from preview X, and I also saw some picture of a booster box (actually I think it was here) where there seemed to be a Huge Black Dragon on the side - though with the Gargantuan Black Dragon one coming out I'd rather get a Huge Green or White.

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05/01/2006 2:15 PM  
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If it is, it doesn't have a magic weapon. So sad for skirmish ...



Actually it could very easily do magic damage. Creatures with DR/magic overcome DR as if they had magic weapons in the RPG, and we know they sometimes carry that over to the skirmish game (cf. Celestial Pegasus.)

In addition, lammasus cast spells as clerics, so it could also potentially have magic weapon as a spell.

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05/01/2006 2:17 PM  
Yeah but that spell isn't in the stat block in the MM so I'm assuming they won't give it to ... it.

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05/01/2006 2:19 PM  
Really like the look of it. Funny that despite the fact that it's a MM1 creature people are still calling it a waste. Guess there really is no pleasing the maxmini community. Ohh well.


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05/01/2006 2:26 PM  
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Missing some more lizardfolk...



I agree with this, a Lizardfolk is long overdue. One of the reason I'm not diggin' the whole Spawn of Tiamat thing is that I think it takes away the chances of seeing other humanoid reptilian types. (Lizardfolk, Half-Dragons, Sahaugin, etc)

~shrug~ Oh well.

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05/01/2006 2:28 PM  
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Really like the look of it. Funny that despite the fact that it's a MM1 creature people are still calling it a waste. Guess there really is no pleasing the maxmini community. Ohh well.



I think that's only for the fact that instead of getting the actual MM1 creature we got a cross-breed subtype instead.

I think a lot of the RPG purists would have preferred a regular Lammasu and proxy it for a Gold Protectar rather than the other way around. Honestly which version is probably more plentiful?

And by the skirmish talk, a few of the skirmishers are a bit worried as to how good it will be.

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05/01/2006 2:31 PM  
I agree Vash, it would of been better if it was the real deal for a lammasu. I don't use templates, but I will still take 2 of them. this set so far as me wondering what else that is weird that is instore.

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05/01/2006 2:31 PM  
Eh, no one knows how good it is going to be in skirmish until we actually see it. And not everyone is pessimistic. I have pretty hopes about the thing. [:)]

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05/01/2006 2:32 PM  
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Yeah but that spell isn't in the stat block in the MM so I'm assuming they won't give it to ... it.



They don't really stick to those spell blocks, though. Witness the extreme proliferation of lesser X orb spells...

Anyway, even without it, a perfect translation of the creature from RPG to skirmish would have it doing magic damage. Typically it seems like the ones that usually lose their magic damage are the figures with DR/alignment or DR/material rather than DR/magic... but then again, they've gotten a lot looser with the translations lately.

Incidentally, I think this could be a prime candidate for a figure that will exist in non-epic and epic versions, so it may be pretty hard to predict what abilities will and will not make the cut for the regular skirmish version.

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05/01/2006 2:33 PM  
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05/01/2006 2:37 PM  
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If it is, it doesn't have a magic weapon. So sad for skirmish ...



Well, doesn't this suggest that it DOES have a magic weapon? Quote from the SRD: "The golden protector’s natural weapons are treated as magic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction." I don't skirmish, but I'd be surprised if this doesn't give it a magic weapon. I could be wrong though...

Anyway, I like it a lot! Personally, I don't care if it's an original D&D, AD&D, 3rd edition or v.3.5 monster (or even from FF, MMI, MMII, MMIII or MMIV) as long as it'll work in rpg and I like the creature. I'm really satisfied so far with the previews we've seen. Even BB can proxy for a couple of things. From what we've been told, some of these Preview X creatures will be paint masters and some production miniatures, IIRC. Still, the fact that they're starting to preview production minis is great, IMHO.

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05/01/2006 2:39 PM  
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quote:
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If it is, it doesn't have a magic weapon. So sad for skirmish ...



Well, doesn't this suggest that it DOES have a magic weapon? Quote from the SRD: "The golden protector’s natural weapons are treated as magic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction." I don't skirmish, but I'd be surprised if this doesn't give it a magic weapon. I could be wrong though...




If that doesn't answer the question nothing will [:P]

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05/01/2006 2:42 PM  
People are probably right about it being some sort of lammasu template but it has a very sphinxian look to it. I can definitely see it standing guard at the entrance to a tomb or castle demanding the answer to a riddle.[:)]

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05/01/2006 2:47 PM  
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Missing some more lizardfolk...



I agree with this, a Lizardfolk is long overdue. One of the reason I'm not diggin' the whole Spawn of Tiamat thing is that I think it takes away the chances of seeing other humanoid reptilian types. (Lizardfolk, Half-Dragons, Sahaugin, etc)

~shrug~ Oh well.



Well, the Crapspawns look a lot like half-dragons, half-something, so you cna still see them as such... I'm not much into half-anything, so I don't like the spawns, full stop, but they can proxy half-dragons easily.

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05/01/2006 2:51 PM  
I'd love to see the Sphinx's made.


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05/01/2006 2:52 PM  
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I think a lot of the RPG purists would have preferred a regular Lammasu and proxy it for a Gold Protectar rather than the other way around. Honestly which version is probably more plentiful?



Plus the fact that the new whatnot, I mean the Golden Protector, looks a lot like the dragonne which I have pulled way too many of, whereas an actual lammasu would have been somewhat different (in the wings department at least).

... and tomorrow we get a dino-riding halfling... I'm anxious to get to Thrusday to see the Dracolich. At least one thing in that gallery that I'm bound to love.

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05/01/2006 2:55 PM  
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Well, the Crapspawns look a lot like half-dragons, half-something, so you cna still see them as such... I'm not much into half-anything, so I don't like the spawns, full stop, but they can proxy half-dragons easily.

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Yeah, I would be much more tolerant of the Spawn of Tiamat for thier use as Half-Dragon proxies if they just wore clothes and/or armor. At least the medium/large ones.

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05/01/2006 2:56 PM  
My frustration is that there are so many MM1 standard things that are only being added to the DDM line with a sprinkle here and a sprinkle there, while there are so many new things, or templated things, being made. I'm getting tired of having to proxy so many of the MM1 things. It's starting to turn me off the newer stuff just because of this issue.

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05/01/2006 3:04 PM  
Although I do like the mini, I think the biggest issue for RPG like me is we want core mosters, and templates just aren't the same. Don't give us crossbreeds when we still need the basic creature first. As RPG players we use the basic core creature far more often then ones using templates.

I will say I do like the look of the mini and will use it happily, just please don't overuse the template idea.[:)]

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05/01/2006 3:05 PM  
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Well, the Crapspawns look a lot like half-dragons, half-something, so you cna still see them as such... I'm not much into half-anything, so I don't like the spawns, full stop, but they can proxy half-dragons easily.

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Yeah, I would be much more tolerant of the Spawn of Tiamat for thier use as Half-Dragon proxies if they just wore clothes and/or armor. At least the medium/large ones.



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05/01/2006 3:07 PM  
Yea!

I'm going to consider myself vindicated as champion of Lammasu!

Hurra! Not a lot of posts but still, seems I got lucky.



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05/01/2006 3:07 PM  
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quote:
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Well, the Crapspawns look a lot like half-dragons, half-something, so you cna still see them as such... I'm not much into half-anything, so I don't like the spawns, full stop, but they can proxy half-dragons easily.

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Yeah, I would be much more tolerant of the Spawn of Tiamat for thier use as Half-Dragon proxies if they just wore clothes and/or armor. At least the medium/large ones.



What, you've never played a Half-Dragon Nudist?



I'm playing one now.....er I mean um...no

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05/01/2006 3:08 PM  
It's a great Prestige Class. You sacrifice AC and Charisma for the ability to blind your enemies.

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05/01/2006 3:11 PM  
Well, at least I got the head side plates, horns, and dragon blood right lol.

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05/01/2006 3:14 PM  
I seem to be having trouble seeing the picture. It is still just the blue outline.

EDIT: Nm i hit refresh.. must have been cached or something

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05/01/2006 3:22 PM  
I approve [^]

Toss the Celestial template on a normal Lammasu and it's summonable (Summon Monster VII or Summon Monster VIII).

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05/01/2006 3:29 PM  
Isn't the Golden Protector the same creature as a Greater Lammasu? (The Greater Lammasu appeared in the 1e Monster Manual II, I think.) It's slightly larger than a Lammasu (but still just 'large' in category).

If it is the same creature, then it could appear in the set list either as "Golden Protector" or as "Greater Lammasu", perhaps.

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05/01/2006 3:36 PM  
You 3Eers. Golden Protector whatever. I see a lammasu/shedu/androsphinx stand in and easily the best of the preview X minis.

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05/01/2006 3:44 PM  
I'm pretty darn certain that it is a golden protector. If you apply the (gold) half dragon template to the lammasu, the description would perfectly match this figure.

I think it was a questionable choice, as the dragonne figure would also be a strong contender to look like a golden protector. I'd much rather have seen a normal lammasu or (andro?)sphinx ...

However, for what it is intended to be ... it looks very nice. I won't be unhappy to pull one, although more than 1 would be a disappointment.

I wonder how it'll be priced? If they price it well and give it the right blend of abilities, this could be a strong piece ... or it could fall into the demon/dragon trap of having too many abilities and too high of a price.

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05/01/2006 3:54 PM  
Yay! I'm glad this half-dragon cat is finally out of the bag! I've been hoping for a Lammasu/Androsphinx mini (or acceptable proxy) for a good while.

Making it the Golden Protector makes it more interesting -- it also places it firmly under my champion run for all dragons. [)] It's not a true dragon, but I'll take any addition to the "clan." [:)]

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05/01/2006 3:56 PM  
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Yea!

I'm going to consider myself vindicated as champion of Lammasu!

Hurra! Not a lot of posts but still, seems I got lucky.



Heh, and it isn't a true lammasu. [)] You could hold out for a couple of years and see if it appears. [:o)]

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05/01/2006 4:05 PM  
I don't get it. The Wizards website isn't refreshing for me. I only see as far as the fiendish tree.[:(]

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05/01/2006 4:23 PM  
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I don't get it. The Wizards website isn't refreshing for me. I only see as far as the fiendish tree.[:(]


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05/01/2006 4:25 PM  
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I don't get it. The Wizards website isn't refreshing for me. I only see as far as the fiendish tree.[:(]



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05/01/2006 4:25 PM  
Well, with the Dragonne in War Drums and the Golden Protector in WotDQ, I guess an actual Sphinx is either in Blood War, or out of the picture for a long while. I hope it's in Blood War, I don't want to wait another 2+ years for this classic creature!

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Yay! I'm glad this half-dragon cat is finally out of the bag! I've been hoping for a Lammasu/Androsphinx mini (or acceptable proxy) for a good while.



You got your proxy in the last set. The Dragonne. This one looks too similar for my likes.

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05/01/2006 4:33 PM  
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Yay! I'm glad this half-dragon cat is finally out of the bag! I've been hoping for a Lammasu/Androsphinx mini (or acceptable proxy) for a good while.



You got your proxy in the last set. The Dragonne. This one looks too similar for my likes.



I did not! A dragonne is a dragonne, not realy a viable proxy for either a Lammasu or a sphinx. The whole feral face of the dragonne tends to nix decent proxy viability.

Besides, too similar? The humanoid face of the "Golden Protector" tends to tear that argument apart.

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05/01/2006 4:47 PM  
OK...why not simply a regular, run-of-the-mill Lammasu??? WoTC can st*ck the half-calf-double-templated cr*ap and make the monsters we have all loved and played with for more then a quarter century!

Its like its D&D on steriods...or Video Game Montage D&D or put-it-in-the-blender-and-see-what-new-stupid-monster-we-can-make D&D...

If we get all these new wierd monsters and little to no true dragons...well, i'll just feel all icky inside!

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05/01/2006 5:07 PM  
A Dragonne's really only a good proxy for a Manticore.


So... does anybody really think that there will be no true dragons in WOTDQ?

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