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MechaKingGhidra
Sergeant
632 Posts
    
 | | 05/19/2006 11:31 PM |
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Originally posted by Kunimatyu
I'm fairly certain that at this stage, whoever thought the Bluespawn Godslayer was a great idea has regretted it.
Maybe, but at least this is an eye-opener to what WotC should no longer try in order to maximize DDM set purchases. Although I admit is was a nice idea to introduce minis that have never been seen before, they really botched it up. Maybe next time(if there even is a next time) they'll try to incorporate the never before seen ideas in such a manner that people will not be so inclined to not only have imaginitive trouble subbing for other creatures with them for RP use but also appreciate just having for the sake of having because they may not be being used for anything but that is because they are just that cool. For example, I have about 6 or 7 dragon posters(pretty much random as none of them are associated with one another) that take up every single bit of reasonable wall space in my room and it is because I think that dragons are awesome(especially snake-like ones). If this sort of preference amongst the mass public were put to D&D minis, just think how it would revolutionize the sets as we know them! But unfortunately this will most likely not happen. A man can dream, though....... | |
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Kunimatyu
Sergeant
725 Posts
| | 05/19/2006 11:58 PM |
| No mistake about it, people get tetchy when Huge slots get 'wasted'.
At least the 'new' mini from GoL, the Warforged Titan, looked absolutely stunning. It's hard to be as upset when something looks awesome.
Not that that helps our poor Godslayer out any, mind you. | |
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VFults
Sneak
121 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 12:11 AM |
| I have no use for dragonspawn in general. They seem a poor rehash of Draconians to me. The fire belcher may find some use in my campaign as some kind of infernal beast however, Blue Barney and the black spawn are just wasted slots to me.
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 12:12 AM |
| Ah, where to start?
First off, totally on board with those who feel Tiamat was a flawed concept from the start. Tiamat was Primordial Chaos personified, until she was slain by the hero Marduk so that civilization could get on with it. I love the idea of Tiamat as a 'rainbow hydra' goddess, but why on earth was she not only made Lawful, but given her own Circle of Hell to rule? Even now, divorced from her Infernal origins, she's just plain the wrong alignment.
I'm in favor of the concept of having her command not only the evil dragons, but also various sorts of dragonkind who can serve as her footsoldiers. Sadly, the execution of this simple concept has left me just gagging. I don't RP, so maybe the critters are better on paper. But the minis so far have been plain awful.
Blue Barney could easily have been a Huge Green or Huge Brass instead. Bah!
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 05/20/2006 12:22 AM |
| Personally, I find them aprobletic. They have fleudan tendencies that I think contribute to their whelentism. Of course, I suppose that their stats could make them vintic, but we'lll have to wait and see.
I guess it'd be easier to say that I'll judge them once I see them. | |
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Ssylyss
Warrior
181 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 12:43 AM |
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Originally posted by jgsugden
Personally, I find them aprobletic. They have fleudan tendencies that I think contribute to their whelentism. Of course, I suppose that their stats could make them vintic, but we'lll have to wait and see.
Good lord I need a dictionary to translate. At any rate I am happy with all of the dragonspawn. I may not find a use for all of them in my campaign, but I still think they are nice looking. At a minimum I can make custom miniatures out of them.
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kestrel.ca
Underboss
1684 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 12:43 AM |
| | What PaSquall and Glumag said. Oh, and Count too. Not interested yet, but if they're in an adventure I want to run, I'll be happy to have them then. | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3398 Posts
Netherlands
| | 05/20/2006 2:54 AM |
| can't say much until I've seen MM IV, no excuse to waste a huge slot on one of them though.
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 3:06 AM |
| | Just a note for people saying we're getting all these figures before the MM IV is out, that's actually not true - they're coming out in the same month. | |
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Cthulhufnord
Warlord
10994 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 05/20/2006 3:11 AM |
| | I don't realy like the huge guy taking up the vaunted huge slot realy, the others look pretty cool though. So we have the huge blue and the medium black, is the ghostbusters looking dog one of them too? | |
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Kunimatyu
Sergeant
725 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 3:38 AM |
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Originally posted by Cthulhufnord
I don't realy like the huge guy taking up the vaunted huge slot realy, the others look pretty cool though. So we have the huge blue and the medium black, is the ghostbusters looking dog one of them too?
Given that it's got the trademark red dragon horns, it's very likely. | |
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Arandae
Sergeant
713 Posts
UK
| | 05/20/2006 6:06 AM |
| I don't have a problem with dragons. Dragons, I like. However, I think the sheer amount of dragon-related creatures is just absurd. Draconians, drakes, abishai, half-dragon/half-cheddar templates, and I've missed out goodness knows how many other variants. And now there are Dragonspawn as well. Gah! Stop! Enough is enough. Dragonspawn aren't an idea-too-far - the idea-too-far happened several ideas earlier than that!
I won't be running Red Hand of Doom because I just don't like all these dragon-related creatures, so I don't want the dragonspawn minis at all. I don't like the look of the miniatures so far, but my biggest problem is with the concept.
Not in my campaign, and not on my watch, soldier! [)] | |
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 05/20/2006 9:01 AM |
| | Boy I don't think i've ever seen so much drama over a figure yet. Really is quite an eye opener. | |
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azuretide
Sergeant
407 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 10:00 AM |
| | im interested in seeing what they do with the spawns for skirmish though :) some of the stats sound intersting | |
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tirwin
Sergeant
460 Posts
North Dakota, USA
| | 05/20/2006 12:14 PM |
| I don't mind the idea as long as the minis look cool and the monsters have good stats for RPG purposes.
Granted the blue barney seems to be a less that stellar design (too close to the purple guy!), but I won't fully judge him until he is in my hands.
Would hate the idea if not for the RHoD adventure, but after reading through this adventure I have warmed to the idea. This adventure is a great read and the epic story of the war is very unique to a module. I can't wait to run it this summer, and I think my Players will love it too! | |
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Kelemvor
Warrior
223 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 1:10 PM |
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Red spawn, Blue spawn, Green spawn, Black spawn
Maybe it's the names.... too color coded? "Hey look at me I'm a RED spawn. That means I might be vulnerable to cold." etc....
Aurak, Baaz, Sivak, Kapak..... cool names that don't give it away.
Maybe it's just the names..
The spawns can fit into their own niche, I guess. As the non-clothes wearing chaotic half-breeds. They are alot more varied in appearance and size. Tiamat has been experimenting with many different forms it appears.
Are spawns the only HUGE half-dragons out there?
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Champion of ... Solamnic Knight on Silver Dragon
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MechaKingGhidra
Sergeant
632 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 1:25 PM |
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Originally posted by Kelemvor
Red spawn, Blue spawn, Green spawn, Black spawn
Maybe it's the names.... too color coded? "Hey look at me I'm a RED spawn. That means I might be vulnerable to cold." etc....
Aurak, Baaz, Sivak, Kapak..... cool names that don't give it away.
Maybe it's just the names..
The spawns can fit into their own niche, I guess. As the non-clothes wearing chaotic half-breeds. They are alot more varied in appearance and size. Tiamat has been experimenting with many different forms it appears.
Are spawns the only HUGE half-dragons out there?
Remember, half-dragon is a template. The dragonspawn are apparently an entirely new variety of monsters, specifically created to carry out the plans of Tiamat. Any huge creature(within reason because a Gelatinous Cube isn't going to mate with a dragon) can be a half-dragon. Of course, I could have interpreted your comment all wrong and you meant is it the only mini which is huge with the specified trait. In that case, no. But hey, it's not like it's going to get any worse, right? RIGHT???!!![:(] | |
Champion of the Prismatic Golem
MechaKingGhidra: Infamous for his absolute despisement of Red Dragons and devout worshipper of all Black Dragons. | |
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Kelemvor
Warrior
223 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 1:32 PM |
| Hmm, that has me wondering...
What other Huge Dragon spawn are coming in MMIV
And what do they look like?
I hope they don't have crazy Huge-sized double-bladed weapons and skull shields. | |
Champion of ... Solamnic Knight on Silver Dragon
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MechaKingGhidra
Sergeant
632 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 2:08 PM |
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Originally posted by Kelemvor
Hmm, that has me wondering...
What other Huge Dragon spawn are coming in MMIV
And what do they look like?
I hope they don't have crazy Huge-sized double-bladed weapons and skull shields.
Actually, that's the one thing I like about the Bluespawn Godslayer. It uses a Good-aligned dragon's skull as a shield. Mwua ha ha ha ha ha ha! Long live Evil Dragons! | |
Champion of the Prismatic Golem
MechaKingGhidra: Infamous for his absolute despisement of Red Dragons and devout worshipper of all Black Dragons. | |
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Anthraxus
Warrior
212 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 2:15 PM |
| Yeah, likewise. I actually like the skull shield. It's the look of the Barney, as well as the fact that takes up a precious Huge slot(that could have went to a huge Green/White/Blue true Dragon) that I don't like.
Redspawn, merely ok...
Blackspawn, not real exciting.
White/Green, who knows.
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Yeah, I really need to work on my H/W list one of these days...
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Kelmech_Ra
Skirmisher
22 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 2:32 PM |
| Bluespawn: I love it! This thing is a godslayer! I would hate for my dm to use one of these in a campaign.
Red: It looks ok, but nothing special.
Black: I'm not a big fan of this one. | |
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VFults
Sneak
121 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 5:10 PM |
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Originally posted by Pale Rider
Boy I don't think i've ever seen so much drama over a figure yet. Really is quite an eye opener.
No, the furor over the new Tordek figure's paint job over on the WOTC boards is much more dramatic. "OMG, worst paint job eva! The DDM line is coming to an end and we'll be force to play Dreamblade!" The only thing majorly wrong with Tordek is the gold trim from his helm splashed over onto his face and the dragon on his shield isn't highlighted. I'll fix both when I get one.
The concept of Dragonspawn isn't bad; making blue barney a huge is, however. I'll just chunk the dragonspawn in the box with my warforged and other figures I don't use.
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Cheddar Bearer
Warrior
298 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 8:36 PM |
| Ok playing devils advocate here but as someone who play epic occasionally if the Godslayer is indeed as epic as its name implies it will be alot more useful to me than a huge dragon. Sorry but without character levels huge dragons aren't epic and I'm not getting multiple colossal red dragons just to give players a challenge with accurate minis. In this respect the Godslayer could be the most useful peice in the set as I'm kind of sick again epic charecters just fighting ridiculously high level humanoid NPC'S.
As for the red spawn firebelcher thingy I can't help wondering if it would be more popular if it was just a fire breathing lizard type monster rather than a spawn. Also bear in mind we have only seen a tiny photo of it its not really fair to judge it on a photo that is not much bigger than a postage stamp. Just seems a bit soon to jump to conclusions.
As for the blckspawn it is a damn near perfect half-black dragon mini I know its naked but you can't always get your perfect model for your half-black dragon NPC. Think he'll be alright.
As for the sliced bread thing sliced bread is so over rated it blows my mind "best thing since sliced bread" damn near everything is better than sliced bread. Fresh, regular, unsliced bread is far nicer than that unpleasent manufatured cr*p. Not only that but its often cheaper too. And the only price you have to pay is cutting it yourself. Its not hard!!! A monkey who has had a full frontal lobotomy could probably do it (I have yet to prove this theory but Its hard to find a lobotimised monkey roaming the english countryside at 2 in the morning. There not naturally nocturnal). So yes I think Tiamat spawn are better than sliced bread because basically everything is.
Sorry 'bout the rant but i was in one of those moods and I don't think I will have majorly offended anyone if I rant about the evils of sliced bread.
So in essence dragons spawn good but not really fantastic and proabably a bit too many in one set. | |
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MarioCleanstuff
Warrior
325 Posts
San Diego, CA
| | 05/20/2006 8:52 PM |
| What's your reaction to the Dragonspawn so far?
They interest me.
Are they the best thing since sliced bread?
Far from it, but still more on the good side of things than the bad.
Do you loathe the Godslayer so much that the rest are tainted by association?
Not at all. Sure, its slot could have been used for something else, but without the Godslayer, I wouldn't be so interested in the Spawn of Tiamat.
Are they unnecessary because of half-dragons/abishai/draconians?
Not any more, they're not. Before I heard the MMIV featured them (and likely heavily), I would have thought otherwise.
Are they a cool way to unify a big adventure, D&D Minis set, and new Monster Manual?
They are.
Is the Tiamat/dragonspawn plot something you're likely to use in your own games?
Extremely. Depending on how many Dragonspawn I end up getting, they may gain a very large role. | |
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Cheddar Bearer
Warrior
298 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 9:12 PM |
| | Ohh I know it appears that I cant shut up on the subject but I did realise that its is not just dragons this happens with. There are three types of goblinoids in MMI alone. Not to mention things like Bhukas, Snow Goblins, Dekanter Goblins, Dhakani hobgoblins (sorry not sure how that spelt, what i meant was the ones from ancient eberron). These are all based on one core concept really so we can't call what is happening with dragons overkill without being a bit hypocritical. Not attacking anyone I'm just sayi ng much of D&D is an alteration of an older base concept. | |
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kyrin
Commander
3168 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 11:12 PM |
| Goblinoids are fodder. You fight them by the score. You fight them at first level, and you'll fight them your whole career.
Dragons are special.
Or rather, they should be.
And why does the fact that Abishai are devils disqualify them from being footsoldiers? They're not just devils -- they are Tiamat's devils, made in the image of her children. They are rarely used by other lords of Hell, and Mamma rarely uses other devils.
And I've always thought it very cool that Tiamat was a ruler of Hell. She's an outsider among outsiders, not playing the little Reindeer Games of the Archdevils. They would likely be more comfortable with her gone, but who's going to tell her to leave?
Tiamat == cool. Dragonspawn == superfluous.
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 11:53 PM |
| The Dragonspawn have potential, but until I see the MM IV listing, I can't rightly say whether or not such potential was met or simply wasted.
In preference, though, I would have had the Draconians filled out by now and then added on a new level for Tiamat's little beasties with the spawn. All it takes is a couple quick editorial decisions and the Draconians are more what the spawn appear to be.
No real big deal either way, though. | |
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Arandae
Sergeant
713 Posts
UK
| | 05/21/2006 6:19 AM |
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Originally posted by Cheddar Bearer
As for the sliced bread thing sliced bread is so over rated it blows my mind "best thing since sliced bread" damn near everything is better than sliced bread. Fresh, regular, unsliced bread is far nicer than that unpleasent manufatured cr*p. Not only that but its often cheaper too. And the only price you have to pay is cutting it yourself.
(My emphasis.) I was going to write the same thing myself, but thought that it might be too off-topic. I quite agree. Pre-packaged sliced bread really is a poor substitute for fresh bread, both in terms of flavour and nutrition. Get a bread machine, people - bake your own! [:)]
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Champion of the Bodak.Knight of the Aboleth.Squire of Gnomes. Friend of (Non-Ugly) Fey.
Anti-Champion of the Fozzie Bugbear Strangler (Demonweb 32/60).
Called Shots- Blood War: Green Slaad (53/60), Night Below: Kuo-Toa Whip (55/60),
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Anthraxus
Warrior
212 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 12:16 PM |
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Originally posted by Cheddar Bearer
Sorry 'bout the rant but i was in one of those moods and I don't think I will have majorly offended anyone if I rant about the evils of sliced bread.
*gasp* ... There's some things you just can't take back. I am a big supporter of sliced bread! | |
Yeah, I really need to work on my H/W list one of these days...
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dagonet
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 1:11 PM |
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Originally posted by Kunimatyu
What's your reaction to the Dragonspawn so far?
So far, I like them better in theory than in reality. The sculpts we've seen are, well, uninspiring. Despite this, I'm very glad they're in the set.
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Are they the best thing since sliced bread?
Well, they're dragons, which may well be the best things since sliced bread. [:D]
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Do you loathe the Godslayer so much that the rest are tainted by association?
Nah. The Godslayer looks goofy, but not much more so than the chunky redpspawn pit bull.
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Are they unnecessary because of half-dragons/abishai/draconians?
No. They're the Children of Tiamat, a niche which none of the above currently fit. Draconians are created from good-dragon stock, so the Spawn represent the other side of the coin (since we're unlikely to see Noble Draconians ever). Half-dragon is so broad a category that it's almost meaningless--it can be applied to so many things that it has no flavor of its own. And since Tiamat is no longer an Archdevil in 3E, the abishai are a bit outdated.
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Are they a cool way to unify a big adventure, D&D Minis set, and new Monster Manual?
A big adventure? Yes.
A D&D minis set? No, but Dragons *are*, and the Spawn contribute to that.
A new Monster Manual? Well. . . A Monster Manual is just a roster of foes (and the occasional ally) for the PC's to fight--I'm not sure it can be "unified."
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Is the Tiamat/dragonspawn plot something you're likely to use in your own games?
I hadn't thought about it at all, but now. . . Yeah, I think I very well may work in the dragonspawn into my next campaign.
Cheers,
Dagonet
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cerberuspuppy
Warrior
288 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 7:03 PM |
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Originally posted by kyrin
Goblinoids are fodder. You fight them by the score. You fight them at first level, and you'll fight them your whole career.
Dragons are special.
Or rather, they should be.
And why does the fact that Abishai are devils disqualify them from being footsoldiers? They're not just devils -- they are Tiamat's devils, made in the image of her children. They are rarely used by other lords of Hell, and Mamma rarely uses other devils.
And I've always thought it very cool that Tiamat was a ruler of Hell. She's an outsider among outsiders, not playing the little Reindeer Games of the Archdevils. They would likely be more comfortable with her gone, but who's going to tell her to leave?
Tiamat == cool. Dragonspawn == superfluous.
I think you summed it up better than I did. The whole concept is problematic from the start. I also dislike the use of dragons in twenty different iterations (Look! it's a Draconic Dragonguy riding a Drake Critter and wielding the Dragon Spoon of Dragon Joe!) and I think it tends to water them down.
Half Dragons were enough. Maybe Tiamat could have come up with some way to mass-produce them, or the Abishai.
Even if they were sold on the Dragonspawn idea, I think it could have been executed better. A Blackspawn ninja that looks more like a lump of coal with horns? A huge blue lump with a goofy sword and skull of some unknown dragon species? A large red lump with spikes and a goofy grin? ugh. I know I could have done better character designs, and I can't even draw that well.
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I Tyrant
Warrior
178 Posts
| | 05/22/2006 4:06 AM |
| "What's your reaction to the Dragonspawn so far?"
I think they are interesting (in a good way)
"Are they the best thing since sliced bread?"
Probably not, but I'm sure they'll fit into the D&D multiverse just fine.
"Do you loathe the Godslayer so much that the rest are tainted by association?"
I don't loathe the Godslayer, I think it looks cool, the fact that it hunts and kills aspects & good dragons should make PC's fear it, also can't wait to see it's mini's stats. Like the red firebelcher, like the black one to, it's sword looks alittle plasticy though.
"Are they unnecessary because of half-dragons/abishai/draconians?"
No, half-dragons are just template monsters, monsters with dragon like abilities. Abishai have been rehashed from older versions into tiamats devil servants, they never used to be that way, they diden't even look like dragons. Abishai used to be just a normal devil class, they looked like large lizards with bat wings (kinda like a horned devil). Draconians, honestly I've never really liked them, they always struck me as a lame way for PC's to get ahold of dragonlike powers and be dragon-like, while not being a mighty dragon and wrecking the game.
"Are they a cool way to unify a big adventure, D&D Minis set, and new Monster Manual?"
That really depends on what their stats and powers are like, sounds like the godslayer could be a good "boss" monster & or "end monster", if you perfer. Then again, any monster could be cool, in those regards, with some creative thinking.
"Is the Tiamat/dragonspawn plot something you're likely to use in your own games?"
Probably not, I like to run more basic dungeon crawls, although that does not make me above using new monsters in my PC's subterranean quests for cash.
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What's your reaction to the Dragonspawn so far?
My reaction?
I wanted to see Dragonlance type dragonspawn from the most recent DL books.
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Are they the best thing since sliced bread?
Better perhaps than sliced white bread, but not sliced rye bread which might be the greatest bread ever created. [:D]
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Do you loathe the Godslayer so much that the rest are tainted by association?
Nope, evaluating each one separately. Don't really care for any of them at this point.
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Are they unnecessary because of half-dragons/abishai/draconians?
They are unnecessary because dragon spawn had already been created in published DL books and were pretty damn cool.
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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
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Vash
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| | 05/22/2006 7:52 AM |
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Alright, we've seen three(blackspawn exterminator, bluespawn godslayer, and redspawn firebelcher) of the five dragonspawn in WotDQ so far, and the MMIV + Red Hand of Doom have more.
What's your reaction to the Dragonspawn so far?
Blue Barney is slowly growing on me. And if that red thing we've seen is the Redspawn, I'm not impressed overall.
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Are they the best thing since sliced bread?
They make it sliced now?! Oh snap I'll have to get me some of that! (translation: No)
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Do you loathe the Godslayer so much that the rest are tainted by association?
Almost, but if the Greenspawn looks anything at all like the pic in RHoD then I may have to change my mind on at least him. And Whitespawn may be awesome as well.
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Are they unnecessary because of half-dragons/abishai/draconians?
Yes
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Are they a cool way to unify a big adventure, D&D Minis set, and new Monster Manual?
Good idea, but not in one set! We don't even get all the Draconians in one set, yet we get all five of these guys!?!
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Is the Tiamat/dragonspawn plot something you're likely to use in your own games?
Still pagins through RHoD right now, but that's about it | |
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| | 05/22/2006 9:12 AM |
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Originally posted by Kunimatyu
Alright, we've seen three(blackspawn exterminator, bluespawn godslayer, and redspawn firebelcher) of the five dragonspawn in WotDQ so far, and the MMIV + Red Hand of Doom have more.
What's your reaction to the Dragonspawn so far?
Very interesting new types of monsters, provide interesting options so far, but need to see MMIV for more info.
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Are they the best thing since sliced bread?
Nah, maybe it should say "best thing since the wrackspawn"[)]
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Do you loathe the Godslayer so much that the rest are tainted by association?
Hellz no. I actually like the Bluespawn, hate the black spawn and I'm meh on the red spawn.
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Are they unnecessary because of half-dragons/abishai/draconians?
No, new monsters are always good.
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Are they a cool way to unify a big adventure, D&D Minis set, and new Monster Manual?
Maybe, if Tiamat is a big factor in your campaign. It kinda does a good job in WOTDQ but I don't think we needed all of them at the same time.
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Is the Tiamat/dragonspawn plot something you're likely to use in your own games? Maybe, I'll have to read MMIV first.
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Lab Monkey
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| | 05/22/2006 9:46 AM |
| What's your reaction to the Dragonspawn so far?
I'm fairly neutral. I like the general concept, but I'm not overly impressed with the implimentation. I'll reserve final judgement until I've actually read MMIV.
Are they the best thing since sliced bread?
No.
Do you loathe the Godslayer so much that the rest are tainted by association?
A little. I definitely am unimpressed with the godslayer and I see it as a total waste of a huge slot. I don't mind receiving 5 spawn, but I'd rather that none of them be huge.
Are they unnecessary because of half-dragons/abishai/draconians?
Well like several others, I would have really preferred half-dragons/abishai/draconians to the new dragon spawn. However, I can see a need for low CR dragon-like creatures without tapping into Dragonlance creatures.
Are they a cool way to unify a big adventure, D&D Minis set, and new Monster Manual?
I can see them as useful if you want to play RHoD or to build a Tiamat based campaign.
Is the Tiamat/dragonspawn plot something you're likely to use in your own games?
Possibly if I can get a new game going in my new area. | |
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| | 05/22/2006 10:00 AM |
| | I guess I'll be with-holding comment until I see some stats. As for RPG, I can totally understand the lack of love, but for skirmish, if they are playable, then they will be nice additions. | |
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