Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
    
 | | 06/11/2006 5:52 AM |
| If I were in charge of Blood War... what would I put in the set?
Nah, that's not the right question. Of course I would fill the set with all the missing devils and demons and yugoloths and so on, but that's not how the sets are made. Coming up with a set list requires careful consideration, analysis of previous sets... and lots and lots of time. You want the set to appeal to as broad of an audience as possible, so you have to please all three main groups: Role-Players, Collectors, and Skirmishers.
For role-players, you must include miniatures usable as PCs of many different races and roles. Dungeon Masters require monsters, but you can't go overboard with "classic" monsters. If you focus too heavily on the set theme, you lose customers that aren't interested in that theme.
Collectors want minis that look cool. Fortunately, WotC has recently mastered the use of clear plastic, which should greatly improve the look of certain minis.
And finally, Skirmishers want new minis to fill the same old roles: beaters, titans, tech, scouts, and so on. They also like synergy, especially within the set itself (since it helps in Sealed tournaments).
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There are 12 Common, 24 Uncommon, and 24 Rare minis in the set - which is a standard distribution for a non-huge, non-starter set.
There is one small Rare, 11 large Rares, 8 large Uncommons, 1 tiny Uncommon, and 1 large Common.
2 minis are mounted. We don't want too many, since some people (*cough*CountDooku*cough*) don't like mounted minis.
There are 2 Aspects. Again, some people love them and some hate them... 2 sounds about right.
11 minis are PC types (humans, elves, half-elves, gnomes, tieflings, and dwarves). There are 5 animals (or animal proxies). 12 Humanoids include the frequently requested lizardfolk (2) and kuo-toa (2), as well as a gnoll spellcaster that rounds out our collection of gnolls.
There are 16 "classic" monsters (including 2 true dragons - one small and one medium), as well as remakes (with different names and skirmish stats) of 2 highly sought-after creatures from Harbinger. There is also a plethora of interesting new monsters from various Monster Manuals.
Oh, and just about all monster types are represented: fey, oozes, dragons, elementals, constructs, undead, humanoids, monstrous humanoids, giants, magical beasts, animals, and, of course, outsiders. I couldn't fit any plants, though.
3 minis in the set are unique, but all of them can sub for generic creatures in a pinch. There are altogether five campaign setting-specific minis in the set (2 Forgotten Realms, 2 Eberron, and 1 Greyhawk); this includes one of the listed uniques, and one of the Aspects. The others can work really well in just about any campaign.
7 minis contain (or are made of) clear plastic, including two uncommons and one rare that are likely to sell for astronomical prices on the secondary market.
Roughly 20 minis fit the set theme, either as devils, demons, their mercenaries, or those who fight to preserve their lands from the conflict. Another 6 minis are related in some way (being outsiders and such).
8 of the Rares have additional Epic cards. There are 8 Uncommon commanders to ensure that you'll always have a commander in Sealed.
In creating the set list, I've used 23 (!) different WotC sources.
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So, without further ado ([:D]), I give you... the set list. I recommend that you download the list in Excel format, since it contains detailed info for all minis, and picture links for most. If you don't have Excel on your computer, Microsoft offers a free Excel Viewer application.
But for the sake of discussion (and quoting), here's the list as well:
Astral Deva
Blink Dog
Dark Lantern
Dwarf Gatecrasher
Eludecia, Succubus Paladin
Half-Elf Archivist
Knight of the Chalice
Maug
Ramadeen
Shadowbane Stalker
Dwarf Berserker
Healer on Unicorn
Aspect of Selûne
Cleric of Dol Darn
Ferocious Blood Hawk
Feytouched Druid
Gnome Master of Shadow
Nycter
Pseudodragon
Small Brass Dragon
Vivacious Dire Tiger
Whisper Gnome Fiend Hunter
Consecrated Harrier of Wee Jas
Human Kensai
Gelatinous Cube
Lizardfolk Druid
Lizardfolk Raider
Annah, Tiefling Rogue
Mud Slaad
Acheronian Hobgoblin Mercenary
Bearded Devil Shock Trooper
Black Abishai
Cranium Rat Swarm
Deathbringer
Durzagon Cleric of Laduguer
Harssaf
Ice Devil
Kuo-Toa Monitor
Large Water Elemental
Rejkar
Small Water Elemental
Umbral Displacer Beast
Mezzoloth
Nycaloth
Abyssal Ghoul
Aspect of Yeenoghu
Dark Stalker
Demonic Gnoll Shaman
Dracotaur Rager
Eclavdra
Fensir
Fey'ri Sorcerer
Fiendish Large Viper
Githyanki Anti-Paladin
Marilith
Rutterkin
Sea Mother Whip
Skeletal Troll
Wendigo
White Dragon
EDIT: Gah, somehow the Marilith got left out after one of the cut/paste operations. I put her back in place of the Large Shadow Dragon. That makes one less dragon, and one less clear plastic mini (accounted for in the analysis above). | |
Hypethetical Blood War Set List | Champion of the Gelugon | Vindicated Prophet of Blood War
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Total DDM Count: 1037 | No chance of finishing the set | Will finish the set | Set | |
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Darastrix Maekrix
dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 6:11 AM |
| I could live with a set like that.
I don't think three uniques would be very well received, so I would drop "Annah." (I don't mind the concept of a Succubus Paladin -- at least it has no Vrock.) | |
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 6:17 AM |
| There were sets with way more than three uniques. Recently, Underdark had three uniques, and this set was made to be comparable with Underdark. Besides, Annah is a female tiefling rogue, which is something we don't have yet (despite the fact that rogue is the tieflings' favored class).
I am surprised you didn't suggest to drop Eclavdra, her being a drow and all. | |
Hypethetical Blood War Set List | Champion of the Gelugon | Vindicated Prophet of Blood War
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Darastrix Maekrix
dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 6:53 AM |
| | I can live with one or two drow in a set. It's the half-dozen that annoys me to no end. Besides, she has a hell (pardon the pun) of a lot of history in Greyhawk. Toss in the fact she appears in the ELH, and she will be (or should be) a good Epic mini to have. | |
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Darastrix Maekrix
dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 6:55 AM |
| Hmm, as for your edit by neglecting the Marilith, I think I would have dropped the Dracotaur instead of the Large Shadow. Since all of the sets now have at least one large true dragon, it would make more sense to drop the creature with the dragon subtype.
I have to defend the true dragons after all! [)] | |
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 7:08 AM |
| | Well, Dracotaur is not high on my "want" list, but I figured he was less desirable than the Large Shadow, so I left him to account for "baffling set choices." [)] BTW, I planned for the Large Shadow to be made out of clear plastic (similar to the Umbral Displacer Beast), but that may not be viable yet, depending on how flexible the clear plastic is. If it's harder than regular plastic, it may be difficult to make the wings look right. | |
Hypethetical Blood War Set List | Champion of the Gelugon | Vindicated Prophet of Blood War
Ha 69/80 | De 60/60 | Ar 57/60 | GoL 72/72 | Ab 60/60 | DK 60/60 | AF 60/60 | UD 59/60 | WD 57/60 | WDQ 3/60| BW
Total DDM Count: 1037 | No chance of finishing the set | Will finish the set | Set | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3398 Posts
Netherlands
| | 06/11/2006 7:13 AM |
| sounds like a great set, although I expect a bit more demons and devils.
D. | |
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 7:20 AM |
| | There are three demons (succubus, marilith, rutterkin), three devils (bearded devil, black abishai, ice devil), two yugoloths, one aspect, and two tieflings (Annah and the Fey'ri). I'd certainly like to see more (and I hope I'm wrong in my prediction), but I had to be realistic. After all, we're only getting 4 true dragons in War of the Dragon Queen... | |
Hypethetical Blood War Set List | Champion of the Gelugon | Vindicated Prophet of Blood War
Ha 69/80 | De 60/60 | Ar 57/60 | GoL 72/72 | Ab 60/60 | DK 60/60 | AF 60/60 | UD 59/60 | WD 57/60 | WDQ 3/60| BW
Total DDM Count: 1037 | No chance of finishing the set | Will finish the set | Set | |
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Mjollnir
Underboss
1489 Posts
Canary Islands - Spain
| | 06/11/2006 7:58 AM |
| | Hey, Sammael, no Cornugon nor Pit Fiend?!, I hardly believe it![:0] | |
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 8:01 AM |
| | The Gelugon is practically confirmed, and I doubt they'd put a Cornugon and a Pit Fiend in the same set as a Gelugon. I wish they would, but I highly doubt it. | |
Hypethetical Blood War Set List | Champion of the Gelugon | Vindicated Prophet of Blood War
Ha 69/80 | De 60/60 | Ar 57/60 | GoL 72/72 | Ab 60/60 | DK 60/60 | AF 60/60 | UD 59/60 | WD 57/60 | WDQ 3/60| BW
Total DDM Count: 1037 | No chance of finishing the set | Will finish the set | Set | |
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Darastrix Maekrix
dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 8:07 AM |
| Hmm, I think we both overlooked something as far as trends go:
WotC have been using an alternating pattern for true dragons. DK had the Large Blue Dragon (let's assume living dragons only). Anglefire, the Large Copper Dragon. Underdark, the Large Deep. War Drums, the Large Bronze. WotDQ, Large Green and Fang. I would think Blood War would have a Large good dragon (assuming they continue the trend) and my pick would be a Large Brass (no large or greater CG dragons since Angelfire).
I'm thinking WotC will wait a bit for the Large Gold, since it's the only non-Garg/Col gold they have left to release. However, I would *love* to be proven wrong about this.... (hint, hint) [)] | |
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Darastrix Maekrix
dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 8:09 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sammael
The Gelugon is practically confirmed, and I doubt they'd put a Cornugon and a Pit Fiend in the same set as a Gelugon. I wish they would, but I highly doubt it.
Of course the Pit Fiend can't be in Blood War! It has to be in Unhallowed to follow the trend of the Balor appearing in Underdark! [)] | |
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 8:24 AM |
| | I'm surprised that the two gnomes aren't producing any comments. | |
Hypethetical Blood War Set List | Champion of the Gelugon | Vindicated Prophet of Blood War
Ha 69/80 | De 60/60 | Ar 57/60 | GoL 72/72 | Ab 60/60 | DK 60/60 | AF 60/60 | UD 59/60 | WD 57/60 | WDQ 3/60| BW
Total DDM Count: 1037 | No chance of finishing the set | Will finish the set | Set | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 06/11/2006 8:42 AM |
| Not too bad of a set list but to be honest while there a re a few things in there I would really like such as Eludecia Succubus Paladin, Healer on Unicorn, and the Gelatinous Cube there's an equal or greater number I'd be fairly neutral on at best.
And who are you kidding, 2 gnomes? [:)] | | | |
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cerberuspuppy
Warrior
288 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 8:43 AM |
| | The Large Gold will probably have to be Epic. They might be saving it for something, it's hard to say. | |
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cerberuspuppy
Warrior
288 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 8:54 AM |
| I think Sammael has done a good job with this list. I especially like the Umbral Displacer Beast and Blink Dog, especially with the racial enemies inthe same set. The Knight of the Chalice was also a clever choice.
No Large Dragon, though?
The Demonic Gnoll Shaman could be instead the Gnoll Cleric from Chainmail- the demonic template fits the set theme, but it would be cool to have the Aspect and Cleric of Yeenoghu in the same set.
Two Gnomes is about right. The only problem with these two is that they might not have the typical brightly colored gnome wardrobe, but that's fine. | |
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yack
Commander
3270 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 06/11/2006 10:22 AM |
| | Nice looking set list but for some reason I think a Pit Fiend would be in there. | |
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kestrel.ca
Underboss
1684 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 10:35 AM |
| Interesting choices....
Strangely enough, there were a few I'd not be happy to have:
Dwarf Gatecrasher (that outfit just hurts!)
Cranial Rat Swarm (too weird)
Aspect of Selune (really boring sculpt if based on the picture)
Of course, that was based primarily on the accompanying picture. If they could look a lot better, I'd be happier.
Maybe it's my innate cynicism, but I think you're a little optimistic in a few areas:
Three gnolls? (including aspect) - I'd expect probably 2 max
Two kuo-toa
Two water elementals
Two gnomes
As none of those have been common in past sets, nor fit the set theme, I doubt they'd start placing multiples of these highly requested figures in a set.
However, I must applaud your effort, organization, and well thought-out, balanced, (and plausible) list! | |
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Kunimatyu
Sergeant
725 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 11:04 AM |
| | It's well-thought-out set, I must say. You've clever put in the three most common "blood war troopers" -- that is, rutterkin, mezzoloths, and bearded devils, which we can only hope will be the case in the real Blood War set. I'd like to see an uncommon Vrock, but aside from that, it's a great set design -- I'd certainly buy a lot of it. | |
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Ethandrul
Warrior
301 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 11:48 AM |
| | and i would love to see a jovac | |
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Anaxagoras
Warrior
312 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 12:34 PM |
| | lovely list-I'd be pleased. I would only add a Cornugon somehow and it would be near perfect. | |
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Snappa
Sneak
77 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 12:39 PM |
| If an Abashai is present, I'd wager on it being blue. Black dragon-themed minis have gotten a whole lot of love lately (gargantuan, huge with sorcerer, blackspawn). Plus, with the trend of including minis from RHoD, the blue is a natural choice.
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Ackrus
Warrior
282 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 1:02 PM |
| My set list would be:
Aspect of Domiel
Planetar
Kelben Blackstaff
Bruenor Battlehammer
Astral Deva
Gladiator
Warforged Juggernaut
Human Scout
Ramadeen
Human Beggar
Cleric of Tempus
Cleric of Mystra
Elite Guard
Changling Assassin
Undying Counclior
Undying Champion
Kas Minatur Hero
Sturm Brightblade
Aspect of Asmodeus
Aspect of Geryon
Logokron Devil
Horned Devil
Human Blighter
Mansoon
Szass Tam
Azuk Highwyrm Lord (half-Blue Dragon half-habgoblin)
Blue Samurai (Blue Dragon smaurai)
Green Samurai
Shogun
Aspect of Yeenoghu
Cleric of Yeenogu
Aspect of Baphomet
Aspect of Pazuzu
Aspect of Juilblex
Aspect of Zuggmoty
Gnoll Champion
Arrow Demon
Marilith
Babau
Jovac
Demonflesh Golem
Hellfire Golem
Darkenbeast
Quori
Daeykr
Lord of Dust (any of them would be cool)
Brood swarm
Hellwasp swarm
Ice Devil
Lord Verminarrd
Lord Arkias
Sthrad Von Zarovich
Deathbringer
Blck Pudding
Displacer Beast (Uncommon)
Umber Hulk (Uncommon)
Truly Horrid Umber Hulk
Arcananolth
Arthraxus (Oinodeamon)
Nycaloth
Ultraloth
Canoloth
Demodand (all three of them)
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avrivah
Sneak
164 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 1:31 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ackrus
My set list would be:
Aspect of Domiel
etc.
If this is the case, I'll take ten. | |
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Cheddar Bearer
Warrior
298 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 1:39 PM |
| | Its strange did this a while ago for a similiar thread. I think it was just your idea of a cool non-huge set. Anyway looks like i was disturbingly prescient as 8 of them now exist as miniatures and it was only 3 sets ago. Anyway yeah sammaels set does look good. I'll post my set in a bit need to get rid of all the minis that have already been done. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 2:42 PM |
| I really like the Demonic Gnoll Shaman. Although I would probably change the Succubus from Eludecia (*gahk, spit*) and just make her a normal Succubus and change the Demonic Gnoll Shaman to Jangir, Demonic Gnoll Shaman.
I like that idea even better. And Jangir would be a prime candidate for Epic status, too.
Other than that, it's one heck of a list! | |
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Cheddar Bearer
Warrior
298 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 2:43 PM |
| Right my set list with a few notes enjoy.
LG:
Astral Diva (R)
Blink Dog (C)
Hippogriff (U) Large
Dwarf Spearman (C)
Dwarven Warmage (U) Heavy armour, sword on back, posed as if casting a spell
Elf Paladin (U) Mithril chain shirt from DMG. Sword and shield, carried bow
Githzerai Psychic Warrior (U)
Hathran (R) need another nice female sorcerer.
Hound Archon Paladin (R) Epic, Breastplate and great sword.
Raziel the Crusader (R) Epic, Large.
Shadowbane Inquisitor (R) Just look at the drawing in Complete Adventurer
LG/CG:
Leskylor (R) Large.
Psuedodragon (U) Tiny
LG/LE:
Doomguide of Kelemvor (U) From faiths and pantheons of Faerun.
Ogre Mercenary (U) Leather armour and great sword. Large.
Sharshek, Human Justiciar (R) Unique.
CG:
Aasimar Favoured Soul of Selune (U) Female, sword and whip.
Centaur Ranger (U) Very similar to the harbinger centaur. Large
Ghostwise Halfling Nightglider (R) Halfling mounted on a giant owl. Large
Gnome Artificer (U)
Gnome Militia (C) Dressed in tatty leather armour with sword
Goliath Dawncaller (R)
Half Elf Outcast Champion (R)
Halfling Street Fighter (U)
Mustival Rogue (U) Guardinal from the BOED
Myth Drannor Archmage (R) Epic
Raptorian Warrior (C) with spear and shield
Shiradi Eladrin (R) Epic, Large.
Young Adult Brass Dragon (R) Large.
CG/CE
Goliath Hunter (C) with Longbow
Any:
Dire Hawk (C)
LE:
Aspect of Mephistopheles (R) Epic, Large.
Blue Abishai (U) More like the RHoD art than the MoF art.
Cornugon (R) Epic, Large
Evolved Wraith (U)
Fire Giant Warrior (U) Large. Axe and large shield.
Ghost Faced Killer (U)
Hellhound (C)
Horned Devil (R) Epic, Large.
Large Water Elemental (U) Large.
Maiden of Pain (R) Players guide to Faerun
Mind Flayer Body Tamer (R) Melee focused mind flayer.
Tiefling Solider (C) Sword, shield and medium armour, goat lower half.
LE/CE:
Canoloth (U)
Fiendish Medium Centipede (C)
Juvenile Pyroclastic Dragon (R) Large.
Mezzoloth (U)
CE:
Bugbear Barbarian (C) with great sword page 24 Savage species
Bugbear Stonedeath assassin (R)
Githyanki Hexblade (U)
Green Hag (R)
Howler (U) Large
Kuo-Toa Whip (U)
Large Magma Paraelemental (U) Large. Clear red plastic painted dark with a few cracks to create a lava effect.
Lizardfolk Fighter (C) rerun of the harbinger, those things are too expensive
Marilith (R) Epic, Large.
Palrethee (U) Possible use for clear plastic flame.
Peryton (R)
Tanrukk Crossbowman (C) A demonic orc rather than a fat orc.
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PaSquall
Underboss
1399 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 3:05 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ackrus
My set list would be:
(...)
Did I read correctly ? You champion Halaster and it isn't in your setlist ? | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1399 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 3:10 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sammael
If I were in charge of Blood War... what would I put in the set?
(...)
Nice set, there even seems to be a commoner inside. However 2 lizardfolk in the same set looks too much IMO. 2 gnomes is too much, too. Replace one lizardfolk and one gnome by an arcanoloth and an aspect of anthraxus and that's fine. | |
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(Unhappy) vindicated champion of the DRYAD
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Cheddar Bearer
Warrior
298 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 3:23 PM |
| Pasquall...
quote:
Replace one lizardfolk and one gnome by an arcanoloth and an aspect of anthraxus and that's fine.
hmm planescape fan much | |
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 3:37 PM |
| 13 new creatures from MM1, not bad. Some rehashes are O.K.. Still no mephits. All in all, not a bad fantasy set list.
BTW, why "vivacious" dire tiger? We don't have a dire tiger that we'd need to somehow distinguish the "vivacious" one from.
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Darastrix Maekrix
dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 3:40 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ackrus
My set list would be:
Well,
1) Way too many Aspects
2) Too many Uniques
2a) It's KAZ the Minotaur!
2b) Kas was the vampire lord that worked for Vecna
3) Too many "on-target" themed minis that are not Aspects.
4) Where the hell is the Large True Dragon? (required)
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PaSquall
Underboss
1399 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 4:30 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Cheddar Bearer
Pasquall...
quote:
Replace one lizardfolk and one gnome by an arcanoloth and an aspect of anthraxus and that's fine.
hmm planescape fan much
Yes ! This was probably the best setting they did for 2nd edition.
However I prefered the arcanadaemon of 1st ed. : it could have as much as 18 wizard levels (plus all sorts of demonic/diabolic powers). This was one of the best BBEG ever : better than a lich... | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
12463 Posts
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| | 06/11/2006 5:05 PM |
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Eludecia, Succubus Paladin
Can someone PLEASE explain to me why people want this stupid piece o sh*t?
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 5:12 PM |
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Originally posted by Ghendar
quote:
Eludecia, Succubus Paladin
Can someone PLEASE explain to me why people want this stupid piece o sh*t?
I don't think anybody really wants it. But since it's such a steaming POS, it is inevitable we'll eventual get it served to us. Might as well get it out of the way.
I'd much rather get a regular succubus. The MM1 illo replicated as closely as possible without breaking any decency standards would be very much preferred. | |
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 6:46 PM |
| Bingo. And Meepo, Dragonlord (or whatever) certainly set precedent for "reformed" evil creatures.
IMO, Eludecia should look just like a regular succubus, with an addition of a greatsword. Use a chainmail bikini similar to Rikka's, and we're set as far as American decency standards go.
As for multiple creatures of the same type, that was actually based on Shoe's statement during Winter Fantasy. WotC intends to group similar minis and publish them the same set (hence the warforged in War Drums and the spawn in War of the Dragon Queen). We had two trogs in Underdark, after all.
As for the large true dragon, I actually considered the true dragon progression and came to the conclusion that WotC takes a break from large chromatic/metallic dragons in their fall set. After WDQ, we'll have an equal number of large chromatics and metallics (3 of each), and I think they want to spread the remaining four as thin as possible. Hence, I don't think there will be a large metallic dragon in Blood War. If there is a large dragon, I bet it'll be a "second-tier" true dragon, like the Large Shadow Dragon I originally listed. Another possibility is one of the planar dragons, such as the Rust Dragon or Styx Dragon.
I am pretty convinced that we'll get one CG and one CE Aspect in Blood War, because both previous sets had LG and LE Aspects. | |
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MechaKingGhidra
Sergeant
632 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 7:15 PM |
| | Personally, as long as there's an Ice Devil like the list has guessed, I wouldn't care what else in there. | |
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Dargoth
Underboss
1274 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 8:08 PM |
| | Id be willing to bet that there will be at least 1 large Planar Dragon in Blood War | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5101 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/11/2006 8:58 PM |
| A great amount of fantasy in Sammael's list.
2 water elementals AND two gnomes in the same set? Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!
Sorry, that strikes me as improbable bordering on impossible. Granted, it would also bolster Blood War to my new favorite set [:D]
A Vivacious (bubbly, energetic, enthusiastic) Dire Tiger? That's funny. Does it tell jokes and talk really fast? Or did you, perhaps, mean Voracious (insatiable appetite) Dire Tiger? [)]
We need more dwarves in bondage gear with whips (I am their champion, after all) before silly things like berserkers and gatecrashers [:P]
Overall, that's not a bad list. Not my first choices in a lot of cases, but reasonable assumptions were made.
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dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 06/11/2006 10:35 PM |
| Ha! Watch them really stump us:
They'll make a "young" purple worm that's really large, but it's made with a medium-sized base! [:P]
Sammael: Either way, "Good" is up as far as the next Large True Dragon. If I had to choose from "other" dragons, I'd go for a Gem Dragon, a Large Radiant Dragon, or a Large Oceanus Dragon (NG, unless my memory is faulty). | |
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