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06/13/2006 9:42 PM  
Thats pretty good Rob. I must say it made me laugh. How about some thing like -- This rounds on me[] (all creatures gain Fearless until this creature next activation)

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06/13/2006 9:46 PM  
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Hey, he could be fearless because he's drunk, have extra damage because he thinks he's strong because he's drunk, be unkillable because he's too drunk to die and a breathe a toxic breath weapon of old drunken nastiness. [:D]


I've gamed with that guy [XX(][:P]

How about a Tavern Brawler that looks something like this:

Cost: ?
Level: 6 (he is CG, after all)
Speed: 6
HP: 65
Melee: +13 (15)
Special: I can Drink More than You [] Stun target opponent, DC 16
Stumbling charge: Can charge through any terrain using any
path. May only move movement rate (rather than double move).
Belch of Doom [] Cone, 20 sonic damage, DC 16
Stench
I've got one for each of you [] Dual-activation



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06/13/2006 10:22 PM  
Rob thats funny, maybe there is still some faint hope.

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06/13/2006 10:36 PM  
Wow. More and more information...I love it.

Need to see those whitespawn stats, though. Those are a MUST.

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06/13/2006 10:48 PM  
Hey guys! Sorry about the delays...work emergency.

I see more stats have shown up...could someone please list what else is needed or compile what's known already?

Have to head off to a meeting from which I'll be back in around three hours...will begin typing stats again unless someone else reveals them first. Thanks for your patience and please accept my apologies for the long wait.

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06/13/2006 10:55 PM  
Unknown Stats: (*) ones I'd really like to see. [:)]

Aasimar Fighter
Cleric of Syreth*
Dragonborn Fighter
Slaughterstone Eviscerator - Epic
Tordek Dwarf Champion - Epic
Small Copper Dragon
Tavern Brawler*
Warden of the Wood**
Purple Worm
War Ape
Wizened Elder Watcher*
Blackguard on Nightmare - non-Epic*
Bluespawn Godslayer
Doomfist Monk
Dragonwrought Kobold
Dread Warrior
Greenspawn Razorfiend*
Wererat Rogue
Poison Dusk Lizardfolk
Cleric of Laogzed**
Cloudreaver
Demonic Gnoll Archer
Hunting Hyena
Mountain Troll
Stirge*
Whitespawn Hordeling*
Yuan-ti Sorcerer**
The missing Epic non-Huge


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06/13/2006 10:57 PM  
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Originally posted by Kissmykiester

Hey guys! Sorry about the delays...work emergency.

I see more stats have shown up...could someone please list what else is needed or compile what's known already?

Have to head off to a meeting from which I'll be back in around three hours...will begin typing stats again unless someone else reveals them first. Thanks for your patience and please accept my apologies for the long wait.



These:

Aasimar fighter
cleric of syreth
dragonborn fighter
slaughterstone (epic)
tordek (epic)
tavern brawler
warden of wood
purple worm
war ape
wizened elder watcher
bluespawn godslayer
doomfist monk
dragonwrought kobold
dread warrior
greenspawn razorfiend
wererat rogue
poison dusk lizardfolk
cleric of laogzed
cloudreaver
demonic gnoll archer
hunting hyena
mountain troll
stirge
whitespawn hordeling
yuan-ti sorcerer

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06/13/2006 10:58 PM  
I win [:D]


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06/13/2006 11:01 PM  
We still need:
Aasimar Fighter, Cleric of Syreth, Dragonborn Fighter, Tavern Brawler, Warden of the Wood, War Ape, Wizened Elder Watcher, Dragonwrought Kobold, Dread Warrior, Greenspawn Razorfiend, Wererat Rogue, Poison Dusk Lizardfolk, Cleric of Lagzed, Cloudreaver, Demonic Gnoll Archer, Hunting Hyena, Stirge, Whitespawn Hordling, Yuan-ti Halfblood Sorcerer

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06/13/2006 11:05 PM  
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The only way WOTDQ sells will decrease due to an early leak is beacuse they made some crappy figures. WotC should only be scared if they created garbage minis. However, with what we have seen so far, the whole set is looking very promising. So keep em coming! And let the excitmenet and anticipation continue.

Tell me this.... So, you see a lot of cool skirmish minis that you want to try out, but can only do so in about 3 weeks. Will waiting 3 weeks decrease your excitement? Or will it increase your excitment?




I am a little late on this post, but I agree with the statement seeing the stats on these has got me really excited for the pre-release tournament. And even wanting to purchase more than two cases on top!


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06/13/2006 11:13 PM  
Need stats on the following:

1 LG Medium Common - Aasimar Fighter
3 LG Medium Uncommon - Cleric of Syreth
4 LG Medium Rare - Dragonborn Fighter
7 LG Large Rare - Slaughterstone Eviscerator---Epic
8 LG Medium Rare - Tordek, Dwarf Champion----Epic

17 CG Medium Common - Tavern Brawler
18 CG Medium Uncommon - Warden of the Wood

21 CG/CE Huge Uncommon - Purple Worm
22 CG/CE Small Common - War Ape
23 CG/CE Medium Rare - Wizened Elder Watcher

25 LE Large Rare - Blackguard on Nightmare (Non-Epic)
32 LE Small Uncommon - Dragonwrought Kobold
33 LE Medium Common - Dread Warrior
35 LE Large Uncommon - Greenspawn Razorfiend
39 LE Medium Uncommon - Wererat Rouge(or Rogue?)

40 Poison Dusk Lizardfolk - LE/CE

43 Cleric of Lagzed - CE
44 Cloudreaver - CE Common
45 Demonic Gnoll Archer - CE
47 Hunting Hyena - CE
50 Mountain Troll - CE Huge
56 Stirge - CE
59 Whitespawn Hordeling - CE
60 Yuan-ti Halfblood Sorcerer - CE

*****If I missed anything please chime in.







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06/13/2006 11:19 PM  
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Originally posted by greyhaze

I win [:D]



You sure do but mine looks better! [:p]

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06/13/2006 11:31 PM  
Well actually, when KmK posts, we all win.


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06/14/2006 1:05 AM  
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Originally posted by greyhaze

Well actually, when KmK posts, we all win.



Who'yeah!! [:D]


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06/14/2006 1:21 AM  
Come on, we need a few more stats, lets win some more! =) I'm still interested in seeing a lot more of the figure's stats, so bring them on. The epics look nice, I'm hoping the nonepics still have some surprises to come =)

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06/14/2006 1:50 AM  
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Thats pretty good Rob. I must say it made me laugh. How about some thing like -- This rounds on me[] (all creatures gain Fearless until this creature next activation)

Love it! That would be awesome. lol

To me it looks like the griffon rider is a little overcosted. However, look at the damage potential for a charge on another mounted creature:
2 Attacks x (15 magic + 10 Jouster + 10 Powerful Charge) = 70 damage!
Plus, you could conceivably become fearless off that one charge.

Fun, fun...

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06/14/2006 2:34 AM  
Added Assimar Fighter, Dragonborn Fighter, Warden of the Wood, Purple Worm, Greenspawn Razorfiend and Stirge.

I'll try for more later but I'm swamped with work.

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06/14/2006 2:41 AM  
Looks like we finally got our first true competitive Dire Bear commander:

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CG Warden of the Wood 46pts
Commander 4
Lvl: 8
Spd: 6
AC : 17
HP : 55
Melee Attk: +7 (5)
Range Attk: +11(5 magic + Magic Stone)
Type: Humanoid - Elf - Human
Commander Effect
Plant followers gain immune fire. Animal followers gain fearless. WARBAND BUILDING: Animals and planbts of any faction are legal in your warband.
Special Abilities
Beastmaster 8; Plantmaster 8
Magic Stone(Damage +5 to Undead)
Stable Footing (not slowed by difficult terrain)
Spells
2nd - Briar Web [] (sight; radius 4, the next time an affected creature moves, it takes 5 damage and is considered to be in difficult terrain, ignore spell resistance, does not affect creatures with flight)
3rd - Call lightning [](sight; 20 electricity damage, ignore spell resistance, DC 15; 20 electricity damage whenever target creature activates until its save succeeds)
Neutralize Poison [](Touch; remove poison, and target creature gains immune poison)
4th - Flame Strike [] (sight; radius 2, 30 fire damage DC 16)



A commander 4 with a good repertoire of offensive spells that makes Dire bears fearless at a total cost of only 46 points? Not bad.

CG finally got their answer to Marut builds.



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06/14/2006 2:44 AM  
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Originally posted by Kissmykiester

Added Assimar Fighter, Dragonborn Fighter, Warden of the Wood, Purple Worm, Greenspawn Razorfiend and Stirge.

I'll try for more later but I'm swamped with work.



Just got back after lunch, eh? [)]

Thanks for posting again. Warden of the Wood is easily the star of this latest group.


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06/14/2006 2:50 AM  
Interesting spelling of Aasimar...

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06/14/2006 3:10 AM  
Fantastic. Thanks for posting these, Kissmykiester. The Warden of the Wood absolutely fascinates me at this point, definitely going to be getting some of those...

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06/14/2006 3:13 AM  
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Originally posted by Nixlord

Looks like we finally got our first true competitive Dire Bear commander:

quote:

CG Warden of the Wood 46pts
Commander 4
Lvl: 8
Spd: 6
AC : 17
HP : 55
Melee Attk: +7 (5)
Range Attk: +11(5 magic + Magic Stone)
Type: Humanoid - Elf - Human
Commander Effect
Plant followers gain immune fire. Animal followers gain fearless. WARBAND BUILDING: Animals and planbts of any faction are legal in your warband.
Special Abilities
Beastmaster 8; Plantmaster 8
Magic Stone(Damage +5 to Undead)
Stable Footing (not slowed by difficult terrain)
Spells
2nd - Briar Web [] (sight; radius 4, the next time an affected creature moves, it takes 5 damage and is considered to be in difficult terrain, ignore spell resistance, does not affect creatures with flight)
3rd - Call lightning [](sight; 20 electricity damage, ignore spell resistance, DC 15; 20 electricity damage whenever target creature activates until its save succeeds)
Neutralize Poison [](Touch; remove poison, and target creature gains immune poison)
4th - Flame Strike [] (sight; radius 2, 30 fire damage DC 16)



A commander 4 with a good repertoire of offensive spells that makes Dire bears fearless at a total cost of only 46 points? Not bad.

CG finally got their answer to Marut builds.




This looks so much like what I said the Lion of Talsid should have been it's scary. I must be psychic!

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06/14/2006 3:13 AM  
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quote:
Originally posted by Kissmykiester

Added Assimar Fighter, Dragonborn Fighter, Warden of the Wood, Purple Worm, Greenspawn Razorfiend and Stirge.

I'll try for more later but I'm swamped with work.



Just got back after lunch, eh? [)]

Thanks for posting again. Warden of the Wood is easily the star of this latest group.





I'm kinda trying to think up of combos for the Dragonborn Fighter, to boost it's damage maybe? Love the Greenspawn Razorback especially for it's cost, it's just a magic weapon away from greatness!!! And the Stirge...it's a fun little piece.

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06/14/2006 3:16 AM  
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Thanks for posting again. Warden of the Wood is easily the star of this latest group.

Yep, but I do wish the she gave the plants fearless as well. The Warbound Impaler could really use it.

I'm also a fan of the Greenspawn, though a bit surprised that he doesn't fly.

Aasimar is a good buy for 4 pts.

Dragonborn is a slap in the face. Weak, weak, weak.

The Purple Worm could be great. Hit enough times, and eventually even Epic Soth and Epic Rikka will fail that save.

Stirge is the first squad activator that I would really consider using.

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06/14/2006 3:17 AM  
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LG Dragonborn Fighter 30pts
Lvl: 6
Spd: 4
AC : 22
HP : 65
Melee Attk: +10/+5(10)
Type : Dragon
Special Ability
Breath Weapon [] (replaces Attk; line 12, 15 damage, your choice of acid, cold, electricity or fire, DC 16)
Cleave
Dodge Dragons +3 (+3 AC against attacks by dragons)
Dragon Bane(Melee attack +2, Melee damage +5 against Dragon enemies)
Immune Aura of fear


Yea! Another speed 4 creature that won't get used! [V]

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06/14/2006 3:21 AM  
Thanks for all the spoilers everyone! Keep them coming. I would like to see the skirmish stats on the Demonic Gnoll Archer and the Dread Warrior please [:D].

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06/14/2006 3:36 AM  
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quote:
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Thanks for posting again. Warden of the Wood is easily the star of this latest group.


Dragonborn is a slap in the face. Weak, weak, weak.




Who got slapped in the face? People who play Lawful Good, since LG apparently has no good figures anymore?

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06/14/2006 3:54 AM  
Warden of the wood rules! Now if only she had one shot of Legions magic fang. Seriously though, With her and a GFD with a pair of now fearless bears, you can actually compete! A public celebration is called for!

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06/14/2006 4:07 AM  
Great! But does the B worm really only have 22hp? [:0] Or is it 220?
Need... more... stats...

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06/14/2006 4:52 AM  
From the abilities standpoint, I don't see why the Dragonborn is rare. Not at all. It's a bit too addicted to fighting dragons -- which is fine in the RPG, but in Skirmish, not so much. Looking beyond sealed, it could be a very limited piece.

Definitely one that should have been uncommon and remained uncommon. Stat-wise, it's very "uncommon" in appearance. Even the BW isn't enough to make it a rare ability. Sure, you can pick the energy type, but it's still not very powerful -- especially in a still Couatl-heavy meta.

Maybe it will become a bit more popular if dragons really do take off and start showing up in more games.

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06/14/2006 5:08 AM  
quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Felagund
Dragonborn is a slap in the face. Weak, weak, weak.


Who got slapped in the face? People who play Lawful Good, since LG apparently has no good figures anymore?


I was wondering the same thing.... Dragonborn Fighter looks like the first LG snoozer in the set and I imagine someone at some point will pick it up and decide to tinker with including it in a band. If dragons dominate the metagame, it could be the next Arcane Ballista (well, probably not, but still, a slap in the face? I think not).

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06/14/2006 5:09 AM  
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From the abilities standpoint, I don't see why the Dragonborn is rare. Not at all. It's a bit too addicted to fighting dragons -- which is fine in the RPG, but in Skirmish, not so much. Looking beyond sealed, it could be a very limited piece.

Definitely one that should have been uncommon and remained uncommon. Stat-wise, it's very "uncommon" in appearance. Even the BW isn't enough to make it a rare ability. Sure, you can pick the energy type, but it's still not very powerful -- especially in a still Couatl-heavy meta.

Maybe it will become a bit more popular if dragons really do take off and start showing up in more games.



I was really excited about this piece hopefully being LG's 30ish point cost beater. Alas, he sucks. Oh well, par for the course I suppose.

Warden of the Wood is an excellent piece. Dire Bears are personal faves of mine. Very happy.

Stirge swarm will be great fun.

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06/14/2006 5:26 AM  
Aasimar Fighter is another common. I was kinda hoping that it would have been around the 20+ point range, but what can ya do? As a plus side, this guy pretty much replaces Hill Dwarf Warrior. Same HP, higher AC, elemental resists and an inbuilt damage booster. While the HDW has synergy with Dwarf commnaders, this guy is fearless with a CoDA. Good, solid common.

Dragonborn Fighter gets killed by Speed 4 and low damage+attack bonus. I really cant see a reason to play thin guy instead of a Justice Archon. But since most of the LG in this set are pretty damn nice, I think I can live with one not-so-good mini.

Warden of the Woods. Finally something good for CG. Two Fearless Dire Bears, Warbound Impaler and smaller stuff like Wolves. Plus it has a very respectable ranged hurting ability with all the spells, and the attack bonus on the Magic Stone isnt too bad either. Now why wasnt the Lion of Talisid this cool?

Purple Worm will be fun in my Epic Greenfang Druid warbands. The damage potential is a bit low to my taste, but I guess the poison will offset that a bit. Burrow 6 gives a nice ability move on the battlefield, and swallow whole is good for assasinating Medium creatures. Archmage, Rikka, Elminster, Soth, etc. A lot of good mediums to eat.

Greenspawn Razorfiend I like. It has some great ideas and good synergy with other Spawn and the HToT. (Hobgob Talon of Tiamat) Good base stats, nice attack bonus and good damage potential after a Magic Weapon. Only bad thing is the current metagame with alot of crit-immune constructs and undead.

Stirge is a bit overcosted. Mob is a nice ability and it has a nice damage potential, but I really cant see myself paying 9 points for these critters. Maybe in epic....

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06/14/2006 5:30 AM  
Smaller List to Go:

Epic Tordek
Epic Slaugherstone Eviscerator
Cleric of Syreth
Small Copper Dragon*
Tavern Brawler
War Ape
Wizened Elder Watcher
Non-Epic Blackguard on Nightmare
Bluespawn Godslayer*
Doom Fist Monk*
Dragonwrought Kobold
Dread Warrior
Wererat Rogue
Poison Dusk Lizardfolk
Cleric of Laogzed
Cloudreaver
Demonic Gnoll Archer
Hunting Hyena
Mountain Troll*
Whitespawn Hordeling

*The stats for these have ??? which indicates they were extrapolated from Shoe's previews. Definite stats would be preferable.

2/3 of the set (40/60) is now leaked. I'd hazard a guess that the fourth non-huge epic is very likely the Wizened Elder Watcher. Nothing else seems to fit the bill.

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06/14/2006 5:52 AM  
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Smaller List to Go:

Epic Tordek
Epic Slaugherstone Eviscerator
Cleric of Syreth
Small Copper Dragon*
Tavern Brawler
War Ape
Wizened Elder Watcher
Non-Epic Blackguard on Nightmare
Bluespawn Godslayer*
Doom Fist Monk*
Dragonwrought Kobold
Dread Warrior
Wererat Rogue
Poison Dusk Lizardfolk
Cleric of Laogzed
Cloudreaver
Demonic Gnoll Archer
Hunting Hyena
Mountain Troll*
Whitespawn Hordeling

*The stats for these have ??? which indicates they were extrapolated from Shoe's previews. Definite stats would be preferable.

2/3 of the set (40/60) is now leaked. I'd hazard a guess that the fourth non-huge epic is very likely the Wizened Elder Watcher. Nothing else seems to fit the bill.

the other non epic will be(I'm quite sure)the golden protector. The stat we have are for a standard lammasu with breath weapon. The "true" golden protector is with 125 hp and a lot of spell and special abilities.


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06/14/2006 5:52 AM  
Have to say Meepo and War Weaver look like pieces I'll be using in the future.

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06/14/2006 6:05 AM  
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Originally posted by zenthrus

I'd hazard a guess that the fourth non-huge epic is very likely the Wizened Elder Watcher. Nothing else seems to fit the bill.



Now that would be odd. Epic CR2 creature?

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06/14/2006 6:25 AM  
Is it any stranger than Epic Meepo (which was suggested numerous times)?

Take a CR2 Wizened Elder, add on 15 or so levels of Watcher and you end up with a CR17 monster. Not so hard to fathom as epic. Besides, who ever heard of a CR2 rare?

Besides, what else foots the bill? Epic Tavern Brawler? Epic War Ape? [)]

I suppose that either of the clerics could likely be epic. Golden Protector is out on account of Talafenix stating that it'll be coming along in one of the next four retailer kits.


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06/14/2006 6:27 AM  
Dragonborn Fighter - dissappointing. [:(]

Warden of the Woods - very promissing. ΖD]

Greenspawn Razorfiend - meh [|)]

Stirge - very cool. ΖD]


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06/14/2006 8:05 AM  
Out of that bunch the only onw with promise is the warden of the woods.

Good thing I kept my 3 or 4 Dire Bears [:D]

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