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You can easily convert them to "standard" drow by painting their chitinous armor red and black. I did it in about two minutes for each of my Xendrik Champs.

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Originally posted by Gristlemane

They are also core creatures that pretty much fit into every setting I've heard of. Even Middle Earth has dark elves, they just didn't make it into the books.

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Even Middle Earth has dark elves, they just didn't make it into the books.

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Originally posted by Felagund

Technically, Middle Earth does have Dark Elves. However, they look no different than other elves. No dark skin or white hair or anything.

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Originally posted by Ridureyu

dude... NOTHING exists on Krynn.

No halflings, no orcs, no Illithids, dragons look the same... Krynn is one of the most limited settings out there.

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Originally posted by Gristlemane

I've always found it amazing that . . .

1) People complain about drow and drow fanboys, and how we are being flooded with drow in DDM.

2) You have to trade a current rare to get one of the older drow minis. The drow lizard rider is only slightly less expensive than the Balor. You could trade your Drizzt and easily get nine Wardrums boosters in return.

I can't really reconcile these two.

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But I honestly can't see any reason to dislike getting drow minis.

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I guess I'm just frustrated that people continuously complain about the drow, but no one is exactly eager to trade away their drow cheaply either.

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Originally posted by Ridureyu

dude... NOTHING exists on Krynn.

No halflings, no orcs, no Illithids, dragons look the same... Krynn is one of the most limited settings out there.

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Originally posted by kyrin

Must we go through this again? I'll trade my Drow away for their value on the trading market. Why must I be expected to be a sucker because I don't like a mini? You may not like the concept of undead dragons or aspects, but looooove the Dragonspawn idea. Does that mean that you should be expected to trade your Dracolich or Aspect of Bahamut for a Godslayer, straight up? Silly.

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Originally posted by Gristlemane
getting drow in future sets is good even if you don't like them personally.

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What I can't understand is why some people don't want to see more drow, or think that we have too many drow. If you don't like them, you can always trade them.

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Originally posted by Username

You won't hear any Drow complaints from me other than need more! (weaponsmaster, matron mother, etc)

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You won't hear any Drow complaints from me other than need more! (weaponsmaster, matron mother, etc)

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/Signed

but you forgot Archmage, Mercenary, Half Dragon, and Psion. [:p]

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Originally posted by cerberuspuppy

The set was called Underdark, ya know.

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What I can't understand is why some people don't want to see more drow, or think that we have too many drow. If you don't like them, you can always trade them.

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I think the problem is that you'll never be able to trade them for whatever mini might have been made in their place.

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Originally posted by Ridureyu

Now, now, I don't hate Krynn. I just noticed that it's really, really limited. And, frankly, it is - if you include orcs, drow, black dragons with skull-like faces and two horns, etc., you're breaking Dragonlance canon.

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Originally posted by Orion72

First, a note on Tolkien's "dark elves". Elves were from the eastern part of Middle-Earth originally. Early in their history, 2 of their 3 original tribes journeyed West to the Island of the Gods, where the pre-Sun light-giving Two Trees grew. One of those tribes came back to Middle-Earth, and designated the third tribe as "dark elves", since they had never gone West and seen the light of the Trees. These "dark elves" were the same in appearance as other elves, just a bit more rustic from not having rubbed elbows with the Gods.

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First, a note on Tolkien's "dark elves". Elves were from the eastern part of Middle-Earth originally. Early in their history, 2 of their 3 original tribes journeyed West to the Island of the Gods, where the pre-Sun light-giving Two Trees grew. One of those tribes came back to Middle-Earth, and designated the third tribe as "dark elves", since they had never gone West and seen the light of the Trees. These "dark elves" were the same in appearance as other elves, just a bit more rustic from not having rubbed elbows with the Gods.

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Actually, all 3 tribes made the journey. The ones who refused to go were not a separate tribe.

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Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer

I blame Drizzt.

Seriously.

I've been making Drow characters since the 80s. I've always liked them, and probably will continue to do so. However, the popularity of Drizzt has led to an expansion of knock-off characters (something most RPGs seem to have a problem with) and "wanna-bes" who just don't measure up to the standards of experienced/serious (terms used loosely) gamers. So now, even though I've been making those characters for 20 years, I'm a hack, just copying Drizzt, etc.

So a lot of it is simply backlash against something that is popular, which is pretty common for a group of people that have largely taken their members from the downtrodden, unpopular, etc. areas of life.

Part of it also comes from the crowd who feel that Drow are overdone. Much like some of us are tired of 18 new sub-races of Elf (each more powerful and special than the last) these people are just tired of them and want to see something new. Unfortunately, new doesn't always sell books, and Drow do.

A third angle to consider is the "this was special to me" aspect. Some people LOVED the Drow when they were kept to the shadows, were figments and nightmares, etc. Now, the spotlight has been turned on them, and there's seemingly no going back. What could have been a great utility piece for a DM has been so exposed that it's next to impossible to surprise players with them. Not to mention that DMs often create bits of worlds from scratch and re-write major sections of other things--now you have to explain to the PCs that your Drow are different and listen to the players whine for 45 minutes about how "real" Drow don't do that.

The reaction against Drow minis is fueled by those same arguments. "WotC is pandering to fanboys," etc. "because my favorite minis aren't being produced," is often the call. The fact that Drow sell boosters often is ignored. Still there's a little more to it than that.

Which leads me to Underdarkdrow. This set, more than most others, had generated huge amounts of buzz. People called for Mind Flayers, Duergar, Troglodytes, Drow, Kuo-Toa, Derro, and even Svirfneblin. There was such a HUGE amount of buzz, that no set could live up to the dreams of gamers and booster-buyers everywhere.

And then the set list hit. A Drow heavy setlist with narry a mention of most of the other races that make up the Underdark. People were rightly (imo) upset. After all, it was called UNDERDARK, not Lair of the Drow, Drowhome, War of the Spider Queen, Servants of the Web, etc. It was a HUGE blow to those of us who were hoping to round out our collections for other denizens of the dark. Now, recently, we've recieved a hint that the set was originally intended to be Drow-centric, and that's hardly a surprise. But it wasn't named in such a way to make that obvious--hence some antipathy.

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If some of that doesn't flow properly, I apologize. I'm very tired right now.

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What I can't understand is why some people don't want to see more drow, or think that we have too many drow. If you don't like them, you can always trade them.

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I think the problem is that you'll never be able to trade them for whatever mini might have been made in their place.

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