I Tyrant
Warrior
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Originally posted by Benimoto
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Originally posted by I Tyrant
I'd really like to see the godslayer, most, right now.[:I]
It's not from the usual sources, but lexander posted some stats in the discussion over the Aspest of Bahamut. They're appropriately godslaying.
If those are truly his stats, then WOW. Tiamat asks "whats for dinner?", the bluespawn replies, "Bahamut Burgers", yikes! [:0] | |
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 06/15/2006 9:39 PM |
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Originally posted by Ethandrul
ok- thats it. when the set is out i will challenge any one of you to a match on vassel where i use the griffon cavelry- i may not win, but you will see what a dirty little girl she can be.
i'm telling ya- she is the sleeper of the set.
I'd say she's more fast asleep, dead to the world, out cold, unconscious, sawing wood.
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 06/15/2006 9:40 PM |
| | Personally, I want to see our 4th Epic figure. I think it likely is the wizened elder witch... And I'm betting it has some real nasty quirk to it. You don't make a twig into a rare unless it can deliver the goods... | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5101 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/16/2006 1:13 AM |
| More stats....still no fourth epic. Brain going to explode from overdose of speculation.
WEW could still be the culprit...... | |
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Ridureyu
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1622 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 1:23 AM |
| | I can see why the Wizened Elder is a rare - tons of tech on it. I'm not sure if it's game-breakingly good, though. | |
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scruffydude7
Underboss
1196 Posts
Rock Hill, SC
| | 06/16/2006 1:26 AM |
| Wow, the Wizened Elder Watcher's stats come as quite a suprise.
I was not expecting anything like that. It might actually have a place in some warbands. Time will tell... | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5101 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/16/2006 1:26 AM |
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Originally posted by Ridureyu
I'm not sure if it's game-breakingly good, though.
Probably not. But for a chaotic piece it has a very high save and respectable AC. It's woefully slow for chaotic, though (makes up for it with decent ranged abilities). | |
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MightyEinherjar
Sergeant
387 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 1:27 AM |
| | This feels like Preview X all over again. Checking every day, hoping at a peak into the magical spoiler world that keeps us content till release. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5101 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/16/2006 1:27 AM |
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Originally posted by Ridureyu
I'm not sure if it's game-breakingly good, though.
Probably not. But for a chaotic piece it has a very high save and respectable AC. It's woefully slow for chaotic, though (makes up for it with the ability to hang back and cause trouble). This piece has the potential to lay some serious hate down on Duergar Champs (not that they needed any more anti-conceal pieces). | |
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Ridureyu
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1622 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 1:29 AM |
| the Mountain Troll stirkes my interest. it has a lower save, defense, and attack bonuses than the Fomorian...
...but twice the HP, regeneration 10, and no difficult muight help. it's more expensive, though. Playtesting will tell a lot about this dude. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5101 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/16/2006 1:33 AM |
| Doom Fist Monk and Hunting Hyena are both somewhat snooze-worthy. Quick tile-grabber whose specialty is hinged on parking next to a gnoll....ummm....maybe I'm missing something. The Monk's big advantage is Melee Reach on a medium-sized mini. Otherwise it just doesn't thrill me.
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Aravis
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1155 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 1:37 AM |
| | The last few added dont seem very interesting. Its like..there could have been more but they are just bleh. Save is to low on most of the WeW's abilities for it to matter, melee dmg is to low..etc | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 06/16/2006 1:50 AM |
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CG Wizened Elder Watcher 34 pts
Lvl: 9
Spd: 4
AC : 19
HP : 65
Melee Attk: +8/+8(5 magic)
Type: Plant
Special Abilities
Double Damage from Fire
DR 5
Stable Footing (Not slowed by difficult terrain)
Thorny Grasp [][][] (Replaces attacks; range 6; target creature is entangled and takes 5 damage each time it activates until its save succeeds; DC 16)
Spells
1st - farie fire [] (range 6; radius 2 affected creatures lose conceal; DC 13)
3rd - Greater Magic Fang [] (range 6, target animal or magical creature gets attack +2 ignore DR)
Winter's Embrace [] ( Range 6; 5 cold damage whenever target creature activates; DC 15, save at the end of each of target creature's turns)
Uhhhh... that was not what I was expecting. It is really weak. However, there may be something wrong with the spells, because the last one doesn't make sense as written...
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 1:52 AM |
| | All of the WEW's spells and SA are range 6. It's speed is only 4. It won't be doing much for the first couple of rounds but moving, then it won't be doing anything for the rest of the skirmish, 'cause it'll be dead. | |
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Nixlord
Underboss
2468 Posts
Quezon City, Philippines
| | 06/16/2006 2:07 AM |
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Originally posted by jgsugden
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CG Wizened Elder Watcher 34 pts
Lvl: 9
Spd: 4
AC : 19
HP : 65
Melee Attk: +8/+8(5 magic)
Type: Plant
Special Abilities
Double Damage from Fire
DR 5
Stable Footing (Not slowed by difficult terrain)
Thorny Grasp [][][] (Replaces attacks; range 6; target creature is entangled and takes 5 damage each time it activates until its save succeeds; DC 16)
Spells
1st - farie fire [] (range 6; radius 2 affected creatures lose conceal; DC 13)
3rd - Greater Magic Fang [] (range 6, target animal or magical creature gets attack +2 ignore DR)
Winter's Embrace [] ( Range 6; 5 cold damage whenever target creature activates; DC 15, save at the end of each of target creature's turns)
Uhhhh... that was not what I was expecting. It is really weak. However, there may be something wrong with the spells, because the last one doesn't make sense as written...
I think it is treated similarly to the old Confusion spells. When the target creature first activates, it will take 5 cold damage (no save). At the end of its turn, it may make a save at DC 15 to remove the spell effect. If the creature fails its save, it will take the 5 cold damage again next time it activates. But as the spell states, the creature may once again make a save at the end of its turn to remove the spell until it finally succeeds.
Still, the WEW is a tad disappointing IMO. Speed 4, Range 6 spells, and Low DCs do not make it worthy for being a rare non-traditional rpg fig. [:(]
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elder_basilisk
Sergeant
410 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 2:14 AM |
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Originally posted by ehren37
[quote][i]Meepo is nothing to write home about, Drizzt is terribly overpriced and competitive, so paying a premium to bring them into CG doesnt make a lot of sense.
I've got to disagree here. Meepo is money--especially for a drizz't band. At +13/+8 for 15 damage, Meepo is pretty much as good as it gets for a LG 30 point beater in attack and damage. He's not too bad for CG either. (Since CG is also short 30ish beaters other than Rikka). Toss Drizz't on top of that and he's money.
55 hit points is a little shy of the magic 65, but gith monks get by on that and Meepo's AC isn't too far off of theirs at 24, which is absolutely tremendous for CG.
Dragonlord is probably nothing special (though in epic it will be quite annoying for dragon titan bands), but it will be worth something if dragon totem hero bands, green dragon bands, and/or golden protector bands prove competitive.
Mob Morale, however, is a simply tremendous ability. +2 morale saves as long as you have 4+ creatures in your band? Sign me up! Since morale is typically a weak point for CG and is a weakness even in a drizz't band, this ability looks to have some serious legs. There are steps opponents could take to reduce your warband size, but if they spend key activations eliminating fodder, you've scored a victory there.
Don't write off Meepo. I think he has the potential to be a seriously competitive piece.
CG comes out of this set pretty darn well, all told.
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
525 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 2:17 AM |
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Originally posted by elder_basilisk
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Originally posted by ehren37
[quote][i]Meepo is nothing to write home about, Drizzt is terribly overpriced and competitive, so paying a premium to bring them into CG doesnt make a lot of sense.
Mob Morale, however, is a simply tremendous ability. +2 morale saves as long as you have 4+ creatures in your band? Sign me up! Since morale is typically a weak point for CG and is a weakness even in a drizz't band, this ability looks to have some serious legs. There are steps opponents could take to reduce your warband size, but if they spend key activations eliminating fodder, you've scored a victory there.
Don't write off Meepo. I think he has the potential to be a seriously competitive piece.
CG comes out of this set pretty darn well, all told.
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 06/16/2006 2:28 AM |
| | Although, these last few spoilers havent been much to look at, the WereRat Rogue looks to be an aggressively costed 9 point mini. Looks like a solid 9 point option for LE. | |
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MightyEinherjar
Sergeant
387 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 2:34 AM |
| | Wow, the "WeW" looks like it'll find it's place on the ground, where I'll step on it's spiny arse in the middle of the night. | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 2:52 AM |
| Wizened Elder Watcher completely underwhelms me. Survivable up to a point, but with rubbish attacks/damage, and some moderate dc low damage range 6 effects.. I think not.
Godslayer looks tough. | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 2:56 AM |
| Yep Wizened Elder pretty much sucks for everything now. Would have been great as a Common or Uncommon for RPGers, and they messed that up. So what did we have to hope for? Skirmish. And thats what we got.. such a sucky peice, and it had so much potential. It could have been great. Its just so sad to see things like this.
Godslayer is nice, underwhelmed by everything else really. Oh well, we still have a few more to go.. here's hoping the Yuan-ti is something special | |
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dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 3:11 AM |
| The WEW is now completely off of my "try to obtain it" list. I never want to see that craptastic chunk of plastic. If I do, I hope people will be willing to trade for it if I get one.
Godslayer is quite what I expected. I don't know if "godslayer" is really the right word. Highly threatening, sure. Against a true deity or an avatar -- and not an Aspect -- this thing will run home for Tiamat -- who will kill it for not succeeding. [:P] | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 3:18 AM |
| What I want to know is, whats the point of this guy having Faerie Fire? I mean how many times will it succeed to actually matter? A DC 13 is horrible. The things that have conceal that are rampant in the metagame are: Duergar Champs, Archmages, etc. How often are these ppl actually going to fail? And are you going to spend the points for this shot in the dark?
It can be used against stuff like Mounted Drow Patrol, Drow Arcane Guard, Blurred, blurred Frenzied Berserker, Blurred Wemic, etc. But now you have a what, a 1/4 chance to do so? How often is that actually going to happen.
It can be used against the Large Duergar and have a 50% chance.
All this adds up to.. yea right I'm not spending the points for that. A higher DC would have maybe made this peice see more play, just because of how annoying conceal is.
And the rest of him just doesnt cut it. | |
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
525 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 3:46 AM |
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Originally posted by dariustad
Godslayer is quite what I expected. I don't know if "godslayer" is really the right word. Highly threatening, sure. Against a true deity or an avatar -- and not an Aspect -- this thing will run home for Tiamat -- who will kill it for not succeeding. [:P]
Yeah but, at 145 pts you can field two 'Godslayers" for 290 pts and they'll give Tiamat a run for her money. The Dragon Slayer and Outsider slayer bonus means the 'Godslayer' first attack will hit for 40 magic damage and if you increase the to hit bonuses (Magic weapon) or Cmd Effects, of say the Hobgoblin Talon of Tiamat (assuming it survies Tiamat's many breaths)the chances of missing goes way down and potentially you can now do 80 damage (Both Attacks)...and there's two of them so that 160pts of damage! Just a thought. | |
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Tooninki
Warrior
272 Posts
Finland
| | 06/16/2006 4:00 AM |
| Is it just me or is CE low on Magic weapons/magic attacks?
I dont have either Drow w/magic weapon so i have to use Hobgob champ to give the TROLL and others one... I'm so going to have an [B)] or will be [xx(] when we play...
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 4:16 AM |
| The Bluespawn Godslayer will see the most play in the prerelease. Why?
Because it's specifically built to kill dragons who are outsiders, and we're getting two of those in this set. In a prerelease tourney, you can look around the room to see how many aspects of Bahamut and Tiamat are running around, and then deside if you want to field your godslayer or not. | |
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Prince o the Raven Banner
Sergeant
606 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 4:18 AM |
| Ok Blue Barney is a Bad A$$zzz.
I'll be more than happy with a couple. Two at a prerelease wouldn't bother me one bit. Especially if I get a really good Rare to go with them.
The WEW is exactly what I predicted. Except for the crappy spells, which are ALL new, they just suck. That Winter's Whatever spell might be OK if it had a Radius effect. But it doesn't look that way. He almost feels like an updated Eberk, just less useful. It's only got one (1!) good spell. Greater Magic Fang which is marginal at best, whats the best animal in this set? War Ape? Huh? Why the heck would I do that? The Thorny Grasp doesn't even appear to restrict movement, is that correct? Gahhh! I liked the UncommonWarden of the Wood spells better.
EDIT:Ok so the fang works on beasties which should be Spawn, I'd hope. Still that is good for sealed play only and maybe a few Greenfang Druid bands, but GF already has a better version of this spell.
Am I missing something here?
Looks like the Spellscale Sorcerer is the CG Love Rare. Which is fine, I really like that one's stats. The Warden is nice too, though it needs a really good piece to command.
Thanx, KmK, for letting these out. It must have been killing you not to let a little out earlier. [:p]
One , real, question though. We've seen two one new recipients of the Bull's Strength spell. Is the unit point cost set to 16 like the Earth Shukenga? Or is it dependent on the cost of the caster? Or is there some other wacky limit/requirement?
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orcmonk220
Underboss
1608 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 4:37 AM |
| | I really think the Godslayer has some potential. If you see a lot of Bahamuts and Tiamats running around your pre-release, you may as well use him. | |
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Prince o the Raven Banner
Sergeant
606 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 5:13 AM |
| After a reread;
Call Lightning is a 3rd lvl Druid spell with a range of sight, a DC of 15 and it does 20 electricity damage a round until the save is made.
Winter's Embrace is a 3rd lvl Druid Spell with a range of 6, a DC of 15 and it does 5(?) cold damage until the save is made. Save is made at the end of the activation however.
It would seem to me that the former spell is MUCH more effective than the latter.
A) It does more damage.
B) It uses an elemental type that is resisted by fewer units.
C) It functions at sight.
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zenthrus
Warlord
5101 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/16/2006 5:26 AM |
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Originally posted by Prince o the Raven Banner
He almost feels like an updated Eberk, just less useful.
Hey, now. Be polite. Eberk is a great little bugger with two useful spells and a couple more potentially useful spells (he's not a bad fodder killer afterwards, either). The WEW as we see it now doesn't really bring much of anything and Eberk costs less than half as much.
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Sirohk
Commander
3930 Posts
USA
| | 06/16/2006 6:22 AM |
| Thanks KmK! [:D]
I like the Doom Fist Monk, looks like a good piece for 27 points. [^]
Barney er I mean Bluespawn Godslayer looks pretty good also. He can put a hurting on Outsiders and Dragons. [}:)]
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 7:27 AM |
| Wow, bad all over the board. The Bluespawn looks ncie and competitive though, but that all depends on how many Dragons and Outsiders start seeing Epic play, I suppose both of his Slayers stack correct?
WEW is now the junk rare of this set IMO, Meepo's got nothing on this guy... | |
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545 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 7:37 AM |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 7:43 AM |
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Originally posted by taliesin
All of the WEW's spells and SA are range 6. It's speed is only 4. It won't be doing much for the first couple of rounds but moving, then it won't be doing anything for the rest of the skirmish, 'cause it'll be dead.
If teh Faerie fire had no DC it would have been better. I don't see why it needs a DC. It's not a damaging spell, it's a counter. | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3398 Posts
Netherlands
| | 06/16/2006 8:07 AM |
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Originally posted by Vash
Wow, bad all over the board. The Bluespawn looks ncie and competitive though, but that all depends on how many Dragons and Outsiders start seeing Epic play, I suppose both of his Slayers stack correct?
WEW is now the junk rare of this set IMO, Meepo's got nothing on this guy...
It's still a nice RPG tree however, I'm happy to trade for some forests.
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XenoZephyr
Underboss
1083 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 8:17 AM |
| | WEW abilities are almost completely useless. Needs LOS spells and I dunno, DCs that a piece of fodder might miss once in a while. Maybe they made it stink so bad in order to lower the value for those people who do want to try to use them as terrain. | |
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 8:20 AM |
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Originally posted by Dordledum
quote:
Originally posted by Vash
Wow, bad all over the board. The Bluespawn looks ncie and competitive though, but that all depends on how many Dragons and Outsiders start seeing Epic play, I suppose both of his Slayers stack correct?
WEW is now the junk rare of this set IMO, Meepo's got nothing on this guy...
It's still a nice RPG tree however, I'm happy to trade for some forests.
D.
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memphisto
Warrior
213 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 8:26 AM |
| There's nothing I can see redeeming about the Wizened Elder Watcher. It'll be like pulling an ambush drake. I don't like to think it's only use will be as terrain for RPG - for a rare??
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 8:35 AM |
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Originally posted by Prince o the Raven Banner
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Dordledum
Commander
3398 Posts
Netherlands
| | 06/16/2006 9:18 AM |
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Originally posted by Vash
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Originally posted by Dordledum
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Originally posted by Vash
Wow, bad all over the board. The Bluespawn looks ncie and competitive though, but that all depends on how many Dragons and Outsiders start seeing Epic play, I suppose both of his Slayers stack correct?
WEW is now the junk rare of this set IMO, Meepo's got nothing on this guy...
It's still a nice RPG tree however, I'm happy to trade for some forests.
D.
I'll remember that when I wind up with the inevitable 6 of them that my luck tends to bring [:P]
PLEASE DO! I am also on the lookout for some GoL Treants while we're at it. (I know, wrong forum [B)]).
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