Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
    
 | | 06/26/2006 2:25 PM |
| The ToC for MM4 is available on the WotC site, and there are 14 Spawn of Tiamat, taking up 36 pages of that book. I'll list them in a moment.
Blackspawn Raider
Blackspawn Stalker
Bluespawn Ambusher
Bluespawn Burrower
Bluespawn Godslayer
Bluespawn Stormlizard
Greenspawn Leaper
Greenspawn Razorfiend
Greenspawn Sneak
Redspawn Arcaniss
Redspawn Firebelcher
Whitespawn Hordeling
Whitespawn Hunter
Whitespawn Iceskidder
DDM wise, there's the Bloodhulk, Dwarf Ancestor, Lolth's Sting, Drow Arcane Guard, Justice Archon, Lolth-Touched Monstrous Spider, and Wrackspawn.
I don't see very many older converted creatures, but there's a bunch of statted-out regular creatures (drow, lizardfolk, githyanki, gnolls, ogres, orcs, and so on). | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 06/26/2006 2:34 PM |
| Well that explains why we are getting 5 of them in WotDQ...Thats not even half of them.
Well I hope after reading up on these critters I like them.
Heck for all we know after reading the MM4 we may all be chomping at the bit for the other 9!!! | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 2:36 PM |
| | Man, doesn't seem like there's room for much else =/ | |
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 2:36 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
Heck for all we know after reading the MM4 we may all be chomping at the bit for the other 9!!!
Only if "all" means "everybody except Sammael." You'll love them, of course, since I'm sure they'll push them into as many adventure modules as possible.
To end on a positive note, the new ToC format is the best one yet. | |
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 2:39 PM |
| | Well, I kinda liked the two Bluespawn they had in the MMIV article last week, that gives the rest of them hope at least [:D] | |
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Nixlord
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 06/26/2006 2:46 PM |
| Ugh..I just looked at the table of contents myself.
Its not very promissing.
Alot of pages are dedicated to already existing races that have been expanded upon.
5 pages on Drow
5 pages on Githyanki
5 pages on Gnolls
5 pages on Ogres
6 pages on Orcs
6 pages on Yaun-ti
BLEGH!!!!!!!
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zenthrus
Warlord
5101 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/26/2006 2:47 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vash
Man, doesn't seem like there's room for much else =/
300 or so page book with 10% devoted to spawn? Seems like there's LOTS of room for other stuff [:P]
Looks like the Bluespawn Thunderlizard changed its name [:D] | |
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jgsugden
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4320 Posts
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| | 06/26/2006 2:54 PM |
| | I don't think it is necessarily a bad idea to build out older creatures and races instead of inventing whacky new ones. I like the idea of seeing some fun things prestated fro gnolls, drow, ogres and orcs. It will save time when you need to come up with something on the fly because the PCs went somewhere you never expected them to go... | |
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The Defenestrator
AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 2:57 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
I don't think it is necessarily a bad idea to build out older creatures and races instead of inventing whacky new ones. I like the idea of seeing some fun things prestated fro gnolls, drow, ogres and orcs. It will save time when you need to come up with something on the fly because the PCs went somewhere you never expected them to go...
Agree 100%
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 3:10 PM |
| | I'm happy to see pages devoted to pre-statted gnolls, etc., with class levels. Quite frankly if WotC put out a 300 page monster manual that was nothing but that, I would buy it in a heartbeat. That's really useful. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 06/26/2006 3:14 PM |
| quote:
300 or so page book with 10% devoted to spawn? Seems like there's LOTS of room for other stuff
Actually its 220 pages. So its really 36 out of 220 or so pages so about 15% of the book. [:D]
On a positive note...Im very intrigued about "Avatars of Elemental Evil"
Whoo hoo and 2 whole pages dedicated to Wrackspawn!!
Actually I cant wait to read up on them...We dont even know what plane these outsiders come from. | |
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Kunimatyu
Sergeant
725 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 3:35 PM |
| Half-Fiend Gnoll Warlock, baby!
That's something I've wanted to see for awhile. | |
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MechaKingGhidra
Sergeant
632 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 3:37 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
Ugh..I just looked at the table of contents myself.
Its not very promissing.
Alot of pages are dedicated to already existing races that have been expanded upon.
5 pages on Drow
5 pages on Githyanki
5 pages on Gnolls
5 pages on Ogres
6 pages on Orcs
6 pages on Yaun-ti
BLEGH!!!!!!!
[:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
I welcome all Yuan-Ti material as they seem to prove to be the superior brand of evil collections of masterminds. As long as we don't get any elaborated Naga content in the near future, though, I will be content. For now.[)] | |
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delguidance
Sergeant
394 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 5:32 PM |
| | I think the maps and encounters will contribute to my purchasing decision. | |
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Lachlarlan_the_Mad
Sergeant
470 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 6:08 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
Ugh..I just looked at the table of contents myself.
Its not very promissing.
Alot of pages are dedicated to already existing races that have been expanded upon.
5 pages on Drow
5 pages on Githyanki
5 pages on Gnolls
5 pages on Ogres
6 pages on Orcs
6 pages on Yaun-ti
BLEGH!!!!!!!
I have to agree.
Unless there are new types of the races above, I'm slightly disappointed.
Why spend my valuable money on a book filled with classed monsters when I can do the same thing for free? | |
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The Defenestrator
AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 6:16 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lachlarlan_the_Mad
I have to agree.
Unless there are new types of the races above, I'm slightly disappointed.
Why spend my valuable money on a book filled with classed monsters when I can do the same thing for free?
Because some don't have that time and it's really really nice to have alot of stuff just at hand and ready to use. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
6922 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 6:20 PM |
| | Monster Manuals are one of the few books I get without question. So, despite the spawn, it'll be on my bookshelf regardless. | |
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Stabmastaarson
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 6:38 PM |
| I'm excited about having easy access to pregen'd monsters with Class levels. It'll make writing mods for LG and my home games so much easier. It's a smart move in my opinion. As for the Dragonspawn, I'll wait and see.
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 6:38 PM |
| I *really* hope the dragonspawn are very cool. We've already gotten miniatures for them, so I hope they are as cool as possible, so I can see a lot of use for the miniatures I'm going to buy.
I buy MM's regardless also, it never hurts to have more monsters, and MM3 has been a fantastic book. | |
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Daniel_Tick
Warrior
220 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 6:48 PM |
| | Is there any entries on the Wrackspawn description that may relate to the DDM community, as Shoe said it might at WF? | |
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kyrin
Commander
3168 Posts
| | 06/26/2006 7:59 PM |
| Hmmm... seeing existing monsters all templated and stuff is an interesting twist. True, I could do it myself, but this might clue me in to some new possibilities. I wonder if it has unique prestige classes for some races, like the githyanki?
And if there are some adventures and maps, I may give it a go. In fact, I'll go check on the ToC now...
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yack
Commander
3270 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 06/26/2006 8:42 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
Monster Manuals are one of the few books I get without question. So, despite the spawn, it'll be on my bookshelf regardless.
Ditto..even though I would have liked the book too hav new monsters and the mini we have no background on only. Not classed monster we know. But I'll suckit up and buy it. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 06/27/2006 12:00 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Daniel_Tick
Is there any entries on the Wrackspawn description that may relate to the DDM community, as Shoe said it might at WF?
I think it was one of the guys who went to the Dreamblade day-thing that said Shoe pointed out the reference, but I haven't seen mention of it since.
With an additional 5 pages on Gnolls, this just might become interesting for me! | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 06/27/2006 12:49 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
I don't think it is necessarily a bad idea to build out older creatures and races instead of inventing whacky new ones. I like the idea of seeing some fun things prestated fro gnolls, drow, ogres and orcs. It will save time when you need to come up with something on the fly because the PCs went somewhere you never expected them to go...
Quoted for truth.
I'd rather see development of existing races (including neet templated creatures like the 1/2 fiend gnoll warlock) than the addition of 101 new depth free races. Plus having things all stated out for you is really handy in terms of DM prep. | |
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Pegasus Knight
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896 Posts
| | 06/27/2006 1:30 AM |
| Wrackspawwwwn!
And, um. Unfortunately, I don't RPG despite wanting to, but I don't see what's so bad about a manual expanding on racial themes and content at length. Some people will have no use for it, others will, but RPGs and collectible games like DDM are definitely a case of "can't please everyone..." | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 06/27/2006 2:14 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by MechaKingGhidra
quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
Ugh..I just looked at the table of contents myself.
Its not very promissing.
Alot of pages are dedicated to already existing races that have been expanded upon.
5 pages on Drow
5 pages on Githyanki
5 pages on Gnolls
5 pages on Ogres
6 pages on Orcs
6 pages on Yaun-ti
BLEGH!!!!!!!
[:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
I welcome all Yuan-Ti material as they seem to prove to be the superior brand of evil collections of masterminds. As long as we don't get any elaborated Naga content in the near future, though, I will be content. For now.[)]
I have to agree, more info on the Yuan-ti just in time for my New World entry [:D] | | | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/27/2006 6:41 AM |
| Glad that we didn't get 14 spawn this set.
Wonder if we will keep seeing one or two of them in the next few sets.
Reckon wrackspawn will be abysmal... | |
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 06/27/2006 8:01 AM |
| Cool, 5 pages on Gnolls.
The book is now worth it [:P] | |
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FeranEldritchKnight
Sergeant
385 Posts
Kansas City, MO USA
| | 06/27/2006 10:54 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer
quote:
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Originally posted by Daniel_Tick
Is there any entries on the Wrackspawn description that may relate to the DDM community, as Shoe said it might at WF?
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I think it was one of the guys who went to the Dreamblade day-thing that said Shoe pointed out the reference, but I haven't seen mention of it since.
I always just imagined the description going something like this...
You find before you a creature that defies explaination. One leg of the creature is far shorter than the other, as if one leg were human and the other dwarven. The creature has a strange bone weapon in one of its three hands. The entire party emits and audible, "what the...?"[:p] | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 06/27/2006 11:50 AM |
| | And yes, Shoe did get the WTF in the Wrackspawn pages. I can't say how, but it was really cool. | |
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Android
Skirmisher
20 Posts
| | 06/27/2006 12:29 PM |
| From what I can see it looks like a lot of the pieces that were generic or unique (Bloodhulk, WTF, Lolth's Sting, Lolth-Touched Spider, etc) have been defined. I haven't decided if this is a good thing or not. I liked the idea of the Lolth-Touched spider just being a "spider" and not anything special. Now the question of "Is this just a normal giant spider?" needs to be asked. It might be nice as well to find out what exactly the WTF is...
I guess I'll have to see when the book is available and I can take a look through it. | |
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MechaKingGhidra
Sergeant
632 Posts
| | 06/27/2006 12:48 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vash
Cool, 5 pages on Gnolls.
The book is now worth it [:P]
Oh yeah. I forgot about them. Yet another reason to buy this book. As for the dragonspawn, my opinion is simply meh. Not great but certainly not a horrid idea and might be interesting enough to read about if nothing else. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 06/27/2006 12:59 PM |
| quote:
I liked the idea of the Lolth-Touched spider just being a "spider" and not anything special. Now the question of "Is this just a normal giant spider?" needs to be asked.
Well that you can answer right now.
Just look at the RPG stats on the card.
Are they the stats for a Medium Monsterous Spider from the MM?
If not maybe it has the Lolth-Touched template on it. :) | |
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Zaukrie
Underboss
2007 Posts
| | 06/27/2006 1:13 PM |
| Wil Upchurch's thoughts from ENWorld on the lack of "new" monsters:
quote:
Don't overlook this book, and don't judge it by a perceived lack of content. I *love* the MM IV, it's really inspiring me in a way that nothing has in a long while. The expanded content for each monster is very interesting and useful, and more than makes up for the "low" total number of monsters presented. In addition, the content is varied and uses a lot of sources that you haven't traditionally seen in a Monster Manual. Overall I think this is the best Monster Manual yet.
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