dj-chuckles
Underboss
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| I'm sorry, my friend plays a dragon borne and well... I ended up pulling one in the qualifier, and I was pretty miffed about how crappy it was and mind you there are other words I could place in this post about it but I won't because I'm nice.
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 12:44 AM |
| Wow how about a little more constructive criticism there.
And secondly, the weakest rare ever is taken by the Thri-Kreen Ranger. There are also two rares in this set which id prefer pulling the Dragonborn over skirmish wise. Both the Goliath Cleric of Kavaki and the Wizened Elder Watcher. | |
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 12:54 AM |
| Crappier than the stupid Wizened Tree? I doubt it.
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Lachlarlan_the_Mad
Sergeant
470 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 12:56 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
Wow how about a little more constructive criticism there.
And secondly, the weakest rare ever is taken by the Thri-Kreen Ranger. There are also two rares in this set which id prefer pulling the Dragonborn over skirmish wise. Both the Goliath Cleric of Kavaki and the Wizened Elder Watcher.
I'd have to disagree with you here.
The only thing the DBF has going for it is a Breath Weapon that you can choose the type of elemental damage it deals, and he's not going to be hitting often enough to get his cleave off.
The Wizened Elder Watcher has 3 uses of a DC 16 save or be entangled AND take 5 damage whenever you activate.
If I had to choose between the two, I'd go for the WEW every time. | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 1:48 AM |
| Dragonborn is a glorified common, at best.
It really is not a good piece at all. | |
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prchamb
Warrior
220 Posts
Charlotte, NC
| | 07/02/2006 2:22 AM |
| | I'll agree with dj-chuckles. After playing both the Dragonborn Fighter and the Goliath Cleric for 4 games at the prerelease (yes, I had bad pulls...), I was slightly happier with the Goliath's performance. The 20 magic damage was useful for hunting/basing tech pieces and the cure serious helped in 3 of 4 games. The dragonborn did almost nothing. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3930 Posts
USA
| | 07/02/2006 7:32 AM |
| I'll 2nd that the Dragonborn Fighter is one of THE worst rares ever! [xx(]
The Wizened Elder Watcher is not too far behind. [V]
Also, I found that the Greenspawn Razorfiend to be virtaully useless in sealed / 500 pt epic play. [:(]
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Drekzon
Sneak
101 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 9:19 AM |
| I found the greenspawn to be effective. The Goliath killed Tiamat for me in my last match (lol). I had a really good time. My Warband was:
Bluespawn Godslayer
EPIC SLaughterstone Eviscerator
Warden of The Wood
Yuan-Ti Halfblood Sorceress
Dread Warrior
Goliath Cleric of Kavaki
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Warden of the Wood was very useful for her spells(Neutralize Poison on godslayer). That spell alone saved me from spiders and worms. Bull Strength on the Dread Warrior let him kill fodder. Goliath healed and killed mid size stuff/fodder.Slaughterstone killed anything and everything. Yuan-Ti used her line spell a bunch. Witchknife stopped some spells, but was mainly my tile grabber. | |
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IHawk
Underboss
1054 Posts
Lisle, Illinois
| | 07/02/2006 9:21 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sirohk
I'll 2nd that the Dragonborn Fighter is one of THE worst rares ever! [xx(]
The Wizened Elder Watcher is not too far behind. [V]
Also, I found that the Greenspawn Razorfiend to be virtaully useless in sealed / 500 pt epic play. [:(]
I thought that the razorfiend was well worth its point. It REALLY
helped having a commander that added +2 attack / +5 damage, but
even when he was not within 6 squares, he did very nice.
I only critted once with him (against a barney so that was cool).
+13/+13 may not seem all that great, but his level and hps for
the cost were more than adequate. His real drawback is the
movement of 6.
And Thri-Kreen was my least favorite draw to date...
with the Dy-no-Mite Wilder or ambush drakes not far behind.
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shadroth
Warrior
210 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 10:31 AM |
| I'll chime in here as well since the Dragonborn Fighter was unfortunately one of my pulls. Two major problems with this mini:
1. Speed 4. There are some seriously fast minis in WotDQ and the Drogonborn Fighter takes ages to get his sorry ass up to where the combat is.
2. Even when he does get up, and even if he does hit, it's only 10 damage. Pfftt!
I will say that I did find him slightly more useful in one of the matches where I was up against a dragon-heavy band which effectively gives the Dragonborn Fighter AC 25 and +12/+7 (15) attack. Otherwise though, not worth the 30 points. | |
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vanrulzz
Commander
2558 Posts
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| | 07/02/2006 1:08 PM |
| | i pulled both the Dragonborn Fighter and the Wizened Elder Watcher. Will somebody trade for these???? Please?? | | | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 1:44 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by vanrulzz
i pulled both the Dragonborn Fighter and the Wizened Elder Watcher. Will somebody trade for these???? Please??
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Gristlemane
Sergeant
623 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 3:55 PM |
| | Do you have to play him to get enough points to play extreme in sealed? Shouldn't you have enough with your two huges to play without him? That doesn't make him OK, of course. But I would have thought that getting one bad rare would be less of a problem in a huge set than a normal set. | |
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dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 5:30 PM |
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Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
Not every miniature will shine in the skirmish game. If they were all equally good and did the same things we'd be playing checkers.
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shadroth
Warrior
210 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 5:36 PM |
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Originally posted by Gristlemane
Do you have to play him to get enough points to play extreme in sealed? Shouldn't you have enough with your two huges to play without him? That doesn't make him OK, of course. But I would have thought that getting one bad rare would be less of a problem in a huge set than a normal set.
I needed to play him. I pulled a purple worm and huge fiendish spider AND an orge skirmisher with a missing arm so I kept him sealed to send back to wizards AND no commander. Trust me ... I needed to play him. | |
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Lachlarlan_the_Mad
Sergeant
470 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 6:03 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
Not every miniature will shine in the skirmish game. If they were all equally good and did the same things we'd be playing checkers.
While this is true, WotC NEEDS to give rare figures abilities that coincide with their rarity.
Basing rarity off of how many paint steps are required or how difficult the sculpt is to produce while neglecting the stats for the figure is a really bad move IMO. | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 6:53 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lachlarlan_the_Mad
quote:
Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
Not every miniature will shine in the skirmish game. If they were all equally good and did the same things we'd be playing checkers.
While this is true, WotC NEEDS to give rare figures abilities that coincide with their rarity.
Basing rarity off of how many paint steps are required or how difficult the sculpt is to produce while neglecting the stats for the figure is a really bad move IMO.
But not all rares can be great for skirmish. This is a mixed game and some rares need to be RPG rares and they have to consider sculpt difficulty and paint steps. Look at what happens when paint steps get missed (wardrums) there is open revolt in the streets of Minis-land. | |
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Wrackspawn
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6809 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/02/2006 8:00 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lachlarlan_the_Mad
While this is true, WotC NEEDS to give rare figures abilities that coincide with their rarity.
Basing rarity off of how many paint steps are required or how difficult the sculpt is to produce while neglecting the stats for the figure is a really bad move IMO.
I very much disagree. DDM isn't only about skirmish. A lot of the uncommons are getting much better for skirmishing than they used to be. I think it's more important to have effective uncommons than effective rares, as you will get more uncommons in sealed. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5101 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/02/2006 8:13 PM |
| I don't care so much if every rare is skirmish viable. In fact, I'm rather happy that things like the Dragonborn Fighter are rare. It's not like I'll ever field an army of Dragonborn Fighters [:D]
For the person who pulled both a Dragonborn Fighter AND the Wizened Elder Watcher....much sympathy. That's got to be the worst possible pull for a DQ sealed event.
That's almost as bad as pulling two Thri-kreen rangers for a Harbinger sealed event [:o] | |
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Dahak
Warrior
202 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 9:41 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by zenthrus
For the person who pulled both a Dragonborn Fighter AND the Wizened Elder Watcher....much sympathy. That's got to be the worst possible pull for a DQ sealed event.
Worse than pulling 2 Meepos?
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Darthrau
Underboss
2233 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 10:00 PM |
| | So I hear they fixed the paint and sculpts but people are getting more broken minis. Whats going on? I'm kind of glad I left DDM's. I'm still collecting SWM and may either get into DB or Horrorclix(thanks to the AvP agreement). | |
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ChristopherGroves
Warlord
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 10:59 PM |
| I don't expect that every rare has to be competitive. However, if they are going to make rares that are not competitive in game, why not have them be very desiriable for RPG?
The Dragonborn Fighter stats suck, and I don't remember a huge clamoring for them to be made. If there were a better selection of uncommons in this set, it may not be as big of a deal, but this is more like older sets where your rares can really dictate how well you do. This will be especially true when people are using WotDQ for 200pt. | |
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kyrin
Commander
3168 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 11:40 PM |
| I pulled a DB Fighter at the pre-release, and didn't even bother to play him.
Bad for skirmish, not exactly everyday use for RPG, why bother to make this a rare mini? Just filling space?
ObPositive: It is right purdy.
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kingnanu
Warrior
214 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 11:47 PM |
| | The problem I see with this set is it's so lopsided in sealed. If you don't pull one of the power pieces it's hard to compete. So when you factor in that there are also rares, like the WEW and the DBF, which are total uncompetetive it's just like getting kicked in the ribs. I pulled a WEW in the prerelease and the combination of speed 4 and all range 6 abilities kinda killed it. Pieces that are not competitive in 200 pts are even worse in 500 pts. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 12:03 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Darthrau
So I hear they fixed the paint and sculpts but people are getting more broken minis.
I think it's too soon to be declaring that we're getting a higher number of misassembled pieces. Right now, we're having some show up (a few Tiamats missing heads and an Ogre Skirmisher).
We've had this going on since Dragoneye and it's nothing new in a product with assembly. We'll need to get further into WDQ before we can really start making that kind of claim. | |
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kingnanu
Warrior
214 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 12:15 AM |
| | I got a tundra scout and it's arm fell off as soon as I took it out of the box. | |
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DrakoonHarmtoucher
Sneak
135 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 1:11 AM |
| well on plus side i would rather have parts fall then them glued poorly with big gaps at seams hhehe
i think dragonborn is a rare instead of uncommon because of its scupt tho :/ scupt is very nice lookin tho | |
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ScruffyRanger
Sergeant
360 Posts
Central Coast AUSTRALIA
| | 07/03/2006 2:17 AM |
| Not that it's really any of my business; though I've thought, since Angelfire, perhaps Wizards should look at making LESS rares in each set and the ones they do make, make them to a hgher standard. Both appearance wise and stats wise.
I dunno... you can spend hours trying to lick your own back and wind up with nothing but a pain in the neck. I'm not even sure if that's relevant... would be pretty sweet if it was. | |
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XAos
Underboss
2403 Posts
London
| | 07/03/2006 4:37 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lachlarlan_the_Mad
Basing rarity off of how many paint steps are required or how difficult the sculpt is to produce...
Have you seen the that figure. I seriously doubt the sculpt was difficult & the paintjob is one of the most trivial immaginable (even I could paint it). It's basically just a human in plate armour.
I'm with dj-chuckles, I really don't see what justifies the dragonborn fighter being rare. | |
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ehren37
Sergeant
642 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 12:12 PM |
| | I'd realyl have to say the champion of tyondalla is a worse rare. Its small, the sculpt sucks, and its useless in skirmish. The dragonborn at least has repaint potential as a variety of half dragons. | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 1:23 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by XAos
quote:
Originally posted by Lachlarlan_the_Mad
Basing rarity off of how many paint steps are required or how difficult the sculpt is to produce...
Have you seen the that figure. I seriously doubt the sculpt was difficult & the paintjob is one of the most trivial immaginable (even I could paint it). It's basically just a human in plate armour.
I'm with dj-chuckles, I really don't see what justifies the dragonborn fighter being rare.
WOTC do agree with you.
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Zaukrie
Underboss
2007 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 2:08 PM |
| The new goliath cleric also is less than what I'd want out of a rare. It may not be the worst rare ever, but it serves no purpose that I can yet identify. It is another humanoid, with little or no color. The only unique quality it has is the big club.
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Brimulk
Sneak
162 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 2:54 PM |
| I think if we look at the rares, you will see a number of them that could have easily been uncommon. Goliath, Dragonborn, Hobgoblin Talon, Spellscale, War Weaver and Wizened Elder Watcher. The question becomes, what uncommons would you promote to rares? The options I see would be the Ogre Skirmisher, Greenspawn, Storm Archer, Bonded Summoner, Yuan-ti, Warden, Blackspawn and Cleric of Syreth.
They gave us two large uncommons, so unless they swapped the Firebelcher, moving either of those to replace the Dragonborn would have meant only one large uncommon. The Bonded Summoner, Yuan-ti, Warden and Cleric of Syreth are all commanders, so unless they wanted to give you less of a chance to get a commander, they wouldn't replace the Dragonborn with one of those. That leaves the Storm Archer and the Blackspawn, neither of which would be better as a rare, due to simple paint jobs. The Storm Archer would make the most sense, since it uses clear plastic, but that isn't a great reason.
I think this set was supposed to be focused on the Huges and Epic, so the quality of the rares as major skirmish pieces can be limited. There are more spellcasters\tech as rares than any other set I can think of, and the beater rares are fewer. Only three figures over 60 points (four if you count 59-point Tordek) and only one over 75 points, excluding Epics. I think what this tells us is that they spent the most bang for development on the Epic\Huge figures, and toned down the other figures. Since we only get two uncommons per box, they are more rare than a in non-huge set, so they can mix and match uncommon and rare a little more. Other than the stirges, which should have been common, uncommon and rares are probably not as necessary in large numbers than in previous sets. Even the commons probably don't require packs, except maybe the rats and whitespawn, but only if you want to use spawns.
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cerberuspuppy
Warrior
288 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 10:39 PM |
| | It's too pretty to be the crappiest rare ever. It's still good for RPG as a half dragon paladin or even just a guy with a really cool helmet. | |
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kingnanu
Warrior
214 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 11:29 PM |
| | At least the Dragon Born Fighter has a great sculpt and a decent paint job. The wizend elder watcher doesn't even have those. | |
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Kithmaker
Commander
3926 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 11:30 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ehren37
The dragonborn at least has repaint potential as a variety of half dragons.
True, but only if you allow half-dragons in your game. I don't.
I was "lucky" enough to pull a Dragonborn Fighter, Magma Hurler, Huge Fiendish Spider (on top of the promo already handed out), and a Huge Fire Elemental for the pre-release. As someone said above, it did feel like getting kicked in the ribs in terms of being able to compete. I -had- to use junk like the Dragonborn Fighter and the Cleric of Laogzed just to break the low 400s and have a few more HP to absorb hits. Of course, the Dragonborn Fighter barely got involved, and sucked when he finally reached the fight. | |
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