gausse
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961 Posts
    
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| | The recent picture of a mini base without the "Made in China" stamp got me thinking. If the recent price increase were due to WOTC moving its production of minis to the US (rather than oil prices,etc.), what would people say then? Would you be willing to pay a little more if the minis were made in the US? Assuming the same or better quality. If so, how much per booster? | |
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Arandae
Sergeant
713 Posts
UK
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| Nope. But maybe I'd feel differently if they were made in the UK.  | |
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orcdoubleax
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Bring_it_On_DDM
Sneak
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Canada
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| Posted By gausse on 10/13/2006 8:57 AM
The recent picture of a mini base without the "Made in China" stamp got me thinking. If the recent price increase were due to WOTC moving its production of minis to the US (rather than oil prices,etc.), what would people say then? Would you be willing to pay a little more if the minis were made in the US? Assuming the same or better quality. If so, how much per booster?
Actually this is a good topic! why don't they have a either USÂ , Canadian or Mexico based manufactor for minis. Either of these locations would be able to ship faster to the world faster.
Why China simply because its cheaper they just removed the label to either speed up sending more out or to save money.
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Dordledum
Commander
3388 Posts
Netherlands
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| couldn't care less where they are produced, as long as those in the factory are paid decent wages (according to their respective standards).
D. | |
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Gallandv
Sneak
73 Posts
Lafayette, La.
| | 10/13/2006 9:41 AM |
| Posted By Dordledum on 10/13/2006 9:26 AM
couldn't care less where they are produced, as long as those in the factory are paid decent wages (according to their respective standards).
D.
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Weaponbreaker
Skirmisher
47 Posts
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| | Actually I'm a bigger bastard than all of you, I don't care if shackled political prisoners in Cambodia work for free to create my plasticrack. So long as the quality of sets represented continues to rise and the paint yobs look ok. | |
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yack
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3254 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 10/13/2006 10:40 AM |
| Couldn't care where they are made either... just as long as they are being made.  | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10423 Posts
United States
| | 10/13/2006 10:52 AM |
| Posted By Bring_it_On_DDM on 10/13/2006 9:16 AM
Actually this is a good topic! why don't they have a either USÂ , Canadian or Mexico based manufactor for minis. Either of these locations would be able to ship faster to the world faster.
Shipping is probably a much smaller cost than the other costs.
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PaSquall
Underboss
1399 Posts
| | 10/13/2006 11:36 AM |
| Posted By Bring_it_On_DDM on 10/13/2006 9:16 AM
Why China simply because its cheaper they just removed the label to either speed up sending more out or to save money.
Or maybe to make us forget that our minis are made by people paid 1 $ a day or the like.
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978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 10/13/2006 2:27 PM |
| DDM would not exist if they were made in America because they would cost more than double what they do now.
The recent price increase has been attributed to the increase in oil prices - the cost to make and ship them has increased somewhat and they have increased the prices accordingly. What do you think the price increase would be if they had to pay the people who painted them even minumum wage in America? And what would the quality of the mini's be like if they were made by minumum wage American employee's?
I'm all for buying American made products, and will often pay a little more to do. But often times I can't afford it. If my mini's were made in America I would not be able to afford to play - and neither would most other people. | |
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qillan_dvra
Underboss
1588 Posts
Oztraylya
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| Posted By Weaponbreaker on 10/13/2006 10:26 AM
Actually I'm a bigger bastard than all of you, I don't care if shackled political prisoners in Cambodia work for free to create my plasticrack. So long as the quality of sets represented continues to rise and the paint yobs look ok. Just curious. What is a "paint yob"?
Is that the guy who stands on a plank painting your house with 6 inches of arse crack hanging out?
Or is it the bohemian artiste with the black beret, David Niven moustache and half a kilo of loco-weed in his pocket who sits around crying for world peace but is too stoned to get up and do anything about it?
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Zippy
Underboss
1993 Posts
Whitewater, WI
| | 10/13/2006 5:13 PM |
| It's not only the cost of the direct labor, but the fact that China allows wholesale pollution of air and water. The paints used in China would almost certainly be banned in California, and controlled elsewhere (as in personal protective equipment and perhaps incinerator required). Mold release compounds used in China are often the banned ozone depleters as well, making the molding more attractive to have there.
I'd like to see Hasbro publish more certification info that their operations are running above board and clean, and more importantly open their facility for tours! (especially if in Shanghai or Shenzhen).
In the case of a labor intensive non-leadtime-dependent product such as DDM, China manufacture makes a lot of sense I hate to admit. If you don't like it, stop voting for more of the same with your purchase cash. | |
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178 Posts
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Posted By PaSquall on 10/13/2006 11:36 AM Posted By Bring_it_On_DDM on 10/13/2006 9:16 AM
Why China simply because its cheaper they just removed the label to either speed up sending more out or to save money.
Or maybe to make us forget that our minis are made by people paid 1 $ a day or the like.
Oh no, less than that...
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 10/13/2006 7:12 PM |
| I would guess that labor is the largest cost for DDM production - though you make good points about the lowered cost involved maintaining a factory with lower safety requirements then you would here in the US.
It's an unfortunate fact that manufacturing jobs go where labor is cheap - and labor is not cheap in the US. I don't like it, but that's the way it is. | |
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gausse
Sergeant
961 Posts
Wisconsin
| | 10/13/2006 8:23 PM |
| I for one would pay a little more if they were produced in the US. Heck I might even pay something more if they were made in the UK or Canada. Countries that protect human rights and enforce intellectual property rights.
I know some are willing to pay more to their local gaming store to support them. How does that differ?
For those who say I don't care how I get them as long as they are cheap: Would you buy stolen minis if they were dirt cheap? Is there a line? | |
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sage_raistlin
Sergeant
377 Posts
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| | It's not the labor costs that would be highest cost. I'ld be willing to bet the highest cost of making these figures are the molds. I'ld be amazed if they weren't using metal molds to make these figures and they are very expensive to make. | |
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MaesterAemon
Skirmisher
6 Posts
| | 10/14/2006 2:06 AM |
| Now that the price of oil has fallen, shall we expect a price drop?Â
Except for a few select pieces, I've stopped buying DDM. My friends and I have more than enough pieces to play.
If WotC starts introducing power creep into the game, we will re-cost the new figures appropriately for our local games.Â
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Gallandv
Sneak
73 Posts
Lafayette, La.
| | 10/14/2006 2:32 AM |
| Posted By gausse on 10/13/2006 8:23 PM
For those who say I don't care how I get them as long as they are cheap: Would you buy stolen minis if they were dirt cheap? Is there a line?
Do you have some to sell?
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orcdoubleax
Sergeant
694 Posts
| | 10/14/2006 2:47 AM |
| If there was a line. Protecting human rights would be on the other side before buying stolen minis was.
The fact is that the only way the standard of living can be raised is by investment in the less developed nations.
Is it a perfect system.? no. In fact the world bank and G7 do everything they can to make sure that the poor nations stay poor. But if there was no investment in them it would be worst.
So our explotation or people in China today well help their grand children a little bit. See we are all doing our part.
If you do not want to buy from China; Then don't buy at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart is the largest importer from China of any company in the world. They import more from China than most countries.
There are ship everyday arriving at Vancover, san fransico and other west coast port from China with every single item on them destined for Wal-Mart.
If fact Wal-Mart has told many of thier suppliers they had to relocated to China, or lose Wal-marts business. | |
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 10/14/2006 1:26 PM |
| | I'm not certain that Walmart has demanded that their suppliers relocate their manufacturing facilities as much as that they have demanded that their suppliers cut their wholesale prices dramatically. This amounts to the same thing as often the only way to cut their manufacturing costs is to relocate to China. | |
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orcdoubleax
Sergeant
694 Posts
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| It is not just that they demand lower and lower prices from supplier. Which they do. They do much more to encourage suppliers to move to china.
Walmart has set up a very large business development office in China. What it does is uses the experise that they have devloped with the chinese govt and local laws to facilate thier suppliers relocating to China.
They well help you find space, hire labour and understan and meet Chinese regulations.
For a US based company Wal-Mart is a Chinese sucess story. | |
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Mjollnir
Underboss
1484 Posts
Canary Islands - Spain
| | 10/14/2006 4:19 PM |
| | I'm not sure if I will keep my rate of minis purchases after Blood War. | |
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 10/14/2006 5:12 PM |
| Posted By orcdoubleax on 10/14/2006 2:07 PM It is not just that they demand lower and lower prices from supplier. Which they do. They do much more to encourage suppliers to move to china.
Walmart has set up a very large business development office in China. What it does is uses the experise that they have devloped with the chinese govt and local laws to facilate thier suppliers relocating to China.
They well help you find space, hire labour and understan and meet Chinese regulations.
For a US based company Wal-Mart is a Chinese sucess story.Â
I had no idea about that.
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gausse
Sergeant
961 Posts
Wisconsin
| | 10/14/2006 7:17 PM |
| I was envisioning a caddy with the license plate "CG".  Posted By Gallandv on 10/14/2006 2:32 AM Posted By gausse on 10/13/2006 8:23 PM
For those who say I don't care how I get them as long as they are cheap: Would you buy stolen minis if they were dirt cheap? Is there a line? Do you have some to sell?
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pbarclay
Skirmisher
14 Posts
| | 10/14/2006 9:26 PM |
| Anything we make has to pass European EN71 toy safety testing, the strictest chemical standards in the world. So, a lot of the banned compounds that are used in China can't be used in the manufacture of our miniatures.Â
As for information from Hasbro, will this do:
http://www.hasbro.com/default.cfm?page=ci_csr&sec=ethics
and: http://www.toy-icti.org/info/code.htm
There are a lot of suppliers that would make miniatures much cheaper, that we simply won't use because they don't comply with Hasbro and ICTI standards. All of the manufacturers we use for miniatures are audited by Hasbro to make sure they comply. And, if you think that US standards are better than Chinese standards, take a look at the notes on formaldehyde in wood products in this: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dumping8oct08,0,4957760.story?page=1&track=tothtml (and remember, thankfuly, that we have to follow European standards for our minis) | |
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orcdoubleax
Sergeant
694 Posts
| | 10/15/2006 6:53 AM |
| Posted By pbarclay on 10/14/2006 9:26 PM Anything we make has to pass European EN71 toy safety testing, the strictest chemical standards in the world. So, a lot of the banned compounds that are used in China can't be used in the manufacture of our miniatures.Â
As for information from Hasbro, will this do:
http://www.hasbro.com/default.cfm?page=ci_csr&sec=ethics
and: http://www.toy-icti.org/info/code.htm
There are a lot of suppliers that would make miniatures much cheaper, that we simply won't use because they don't comply with Hasbro and ICTI standards. All of the manufacturers we use for miniatures are audited by Hasbro to make sure they comply. And, if you think that US standards are better than Chinese standards, take a look at the notes on formaldehyde in wood products in this: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dumping8oct08,0,4957760.story?page=1&track=tothtml (and remember, thankfuly, that we have to follow European standards for our minis)
thank you
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 10/15/2006 3:58 PM |
| Posted By Gallandv on 10/13/2006 9:41 AM Posted By Dordledum on 10/13/2006 9:26 AM
couldn't care less where they are produced, as long as those in the factory are paid decent wages (according to their respective standards).
D. I'm of the same mind.
I agree. Decent wages & conditions though. (respective standards).
It doesn't make much difference to me whether US made or another forgien country does it.
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 10/16/2006 9:01 AM |
| | I would not pay more for minis that were made in the US of A. I really don't care where they are made. It seems, however, that the price hike is owing, at least in part, to a new and more expensive plastic formula. If this formula reduces the offgassing stenchn of DDM, and the diamond-splinter headaches that come with it, then I am willing to pay more for that. I am still not happy about the increase, but if it means no more headaches then I am far less unhappy than I could have been. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
6623 Posts
| | 10/16/2006 9:11 AM |
| | Never got those kinda headaches from the minis, so I can't fathom a reason I'd prefer to pay more for the minis. This next set is looking amazing, but I stand by my earlier statement, I will not be buying cases - I want no extras. | |
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forkedmoon
Underboss
1305 Posts
| | 10/16/2006 9:40 AM |
| -Paul
Very interesting article, so China has high standards on what they can use in their own country but low standards on what they can produce. We are discussing a product that China makes and sends elsewhere. Now hopefully the Hasbro standards are enforced and checked up on but I would question the standards at operations in China versus US. I also wonder about enforcement of the environmental and safety standards. There is a definite difference as well depending on where in China something is manufactured. Taiwan has a different set of standards from mainland China and again from Hong Kong.
I write none of this to disparage WotC or Hasbro, if you are following your codes and ethics standards. Having standards is one thing, enforcing them another. | |
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gausse
Sergeant
961 Posts
Wisconsin
| | 10/16/2006 9:50 AM |
| Posted By pbarclay on 10/14/2006 9:26 PM Anything we make has to pass European EN71 toy safety testing, the strictest chemical standards in the world. So, a lot of the banned compounds that are used in China can't be used in the manufacture of our miniatures.Â
As for information from Hasbro, will this do:
http://www.hasbro.com/default.cfm?page=ci_csr&sec=ethics
and: http://www.toy-icti.org/info/code.htm
There are a lot of suppliers that would make miniatures much cheaper, that we simply won't use because they don't comply with Hasbro and ICTI standards. All of the manufacturers we use for miniatures are audited by Hasbro to make sure they comply. And, if you think that US standards are better than Chinese standards, take a look at the notes on formaldehyde in wood products in this: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dumping8oct08,0,4957760.story?page=1&track=tothtml (and remember, thankfuly, that we have to follow European standards for our minis)
My question was not so much about the chemical standards. It only makes sense to make sure your end product is safe for the public, no matter where it is made or who makes it. That avoids lawsuits.
Reading the ethics statements. It says only that the manufacturers must follow the manufacturering and labor laws/rules of their specific country. This is the standard line used by many big businesses today. Then they move the production to where the labor is cheapest and the laws the most lax.
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gausse
Sergeant
961 Posts
Wisconsin
| | 10/16/2006 9:51 AM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 10/15/2006 6:18 AM
Thanks Paul, for the insightful and thorough reply.
Dave
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Zoons
Underboss
1066 Posts
| | 10/16/2006 9:54 AM |
| Posted By orcdoubleax on 10/14/2006 2:07 PM Chinese regulations
That's an oxymoron.
China leads the world in counterfiet products though. Including counterfiet medicines that have lead to deaths and continue to keep the cost of legitimite goods higher than they should be for the rest of the world. Whatever, they're cheaper though, right?
I'd pay more to curb our dependency on their abused workforce. They should get hazard pay just for breathing in their industrial cities.
But, then again, America and Europe were no different during our own industrial revolutions. Except that we didn't have someone who had gone through that before us to learn from their mistakes.
Well at least they learned one thing from P.T. Barnum. A sucker is born every minute.
Good thing for WOTCÂ that their miniatures'Â intellectual property isn't the type of thing that it pays well to steal.
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 10/16/2006 11:16 AM |
| Posted By gausse on 10/16/2006 9:51 AM Posted By Vrecknidj on 10/15/2006 6:18 AM
Thanks Paul, for the insightful and thorough reply.
Dave Struck me more as defensive, than informative.
I would be posting defensively too if you guys started a thread with all sorts of poorly thought-out and incorrect information about my company. | |
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Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
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| Posted By IanB on 10/16/2006 11:16 AM
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I would be posting defensively too if you guys started a thread with all sorts of poorly thought-out and incorrect information about my company. Well, your company is the leading cause of kitten abuse involving pliers and post it tabs in the country, so maybe you should beposting defensively!
Seriously: We're a bunch of uninformed yet opinionated individuals that are tossing around our uninformed opinions in an attempt to change the ways that things are done. Those types of efforts are best restrained until election time.
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gausse
Sergeant
961 Posts
Wisconsin
| | 10/16/2006 11:34 AM |
| Posted By IanB on 10/16/2006 11:16 AM Posted By gausse on 10/16/2006 9:51 AM Posted By Vrecknidj on 10/15/2006 6:18 AM
Thanks Paul, for the insightful and thorough reply.
Dave Struck me more as defensive, than informative. I would be posting defensively too if you guys started a thread with all sorts of poorly thought-out and incorrect information about my company. Well enlighten then, what incorrect information do you refer to? The question was 'would you pay a bit more for an item produced in the US'.
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gausse
Sergeant
961 Posts
Wisconsin
| | 10/16/2006 11:48 AM |
| According to the Office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR), copyright piracy alone [in China] is estimated at between $2.5 billion and $3.8 billion a year, and infringement levels in virtually all categories of intellectual property were 90 percent or higher in 2004.
Henry Levine, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Commerce, estimates that "despite China's commitments to cracking down on rampant piracy, fake cd's, DVDs and pharmaceuticals continue to flood the market, costing us an estimated $20-25 billion annually."
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Hmmm. Say a Chinese firm copies the molds, etc. from WOTC and floods the market with exact copies for say 1/3 of the current cost. Probably not enough profit in it for them to do it, but what if there were? | |
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Zoons
Underboss
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| | 10/16/2006 12:16 PM |
| See, that's just the thing. I don't think the Collectible Miniatures Market would be profitable to pirate. That's why WOTC can "afford" to do buisiness in the intellectual property pit.
I'm opposed based more on principal than I am on circumstance. Until Chineese laws become enforced on copyright, patent and piracy issues, I can't see an ethical reason other countries/companies would be willing to do business there.
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