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Originally posted by Reflex1

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I've sent 2 large batches, one several weeks ago and on more recently. A few people's minis were shipped individually, but all basically within a 2-3 week period.

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All of you minis have been sent, none with DC...it's a little hard to afford that when you're sending out massive amounts of minis. (I know I promised some of you I would, but I basically arrived at the post office with a box full of minis and mailed everything at once.

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She saw me haul all of the minis to the post office and come out with nothing when she gave me a ride there.

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just gave her my boxes, they already had stamps on them and she said "thanks" and I left...

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I just slapped a ton of stamps on them that my mom gave me (she owns her own business and ships all the time, so I'm pretty sure she knows how much to put on) either way I asked if I had enough postage and she looked at them and said everything looked fine.

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I slapped a ton on, in fact the Postal Worker who examined them said too much, so rest assured they had enough postage.

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I have no stake in this matter. I don't trade minis unless it's in person. But in reading this thread, your threat of legal action and the basis thereof piqued my interest. In looknig back over your prior statements, I can't help but be skeptical on the basis of how the stories dno't seem to hold together well.

My daughter had a problem with lying. She's 10 and I think it's a normal thing for kids to go through. In fact, I think it's a problem they'll visit and revisit over the course of their lives. I'll say now what I said to her then- There comes a point where the best course of action is simply to fess up and vow to make things better. People are much more understanding when you come clean and make an effort to make things right. Offers have been made to that effect already, and very generous offers at that. I'm not saying this applies to you; You may honestly have brought your big box of minis, then boxed them at the post office, then had your mother slap the right amount of stamps on them, then had the postal worker say nothing but thanks... Oh, nevermind, then had the postal worker say you put on too many (even though your mother knows better). That may all somehow be true. But if it's not, I'd own up to it now and take one of the graceful exits proposed by some of the other posters.

That's my unwanted 2p on the matter.

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Originally posted by -Lance-

Everyday this situation becomes more and more demoralizing for me, I said I wouldn't post again, but feel forced to after the flurry of comments I've seen. Most of you here have stated something to the effect of "I would be happy if you'd just send me back my minis"

What you don't understand is, I've already sent a good portion of my collection (70-80%) to trade for what I recieved, were I to do this...I would have almost nothing. It's ridiculous expecting me to shoulder 100% of the burden of loss.

I talked to a good friend of mine who plays and he made the following suggestion after an hour or so of heated conversation over what is or isn't fair. He said, "What if you just take the rare minis you aren't using that you recieved in trades (quite a few) + others and send them in one box to one highly trust worthy member of the forum, preferrably someone not involved in the trades and let them split them up from there?" He even offered to give back all of the minis I gave him for his b-day so I could make this right. Obviously I would ship insured and DC on this as to prevent ANY mix up at all.

I wasn't sure if something like this would seem appeasing to any of you, but it seem fair to me and it's the best I can do. It includes a large amount of DK, seeing as I got a case not too long ago and need to get rid of extras anyway. Here's a list of what I could send:

1x Thaskor
2x Aspect of Nerull
1x Ambush Drake
1x Green Dragon
1x Gauth
1x Yuan Ti Abomination
1x Manticore
2x LBD
1x Achaireai
1x Boneclaw
1x Fiendish Giant Praying Mantis
1x Fiendish Monstrous Scorpion
1x Red Wyrmling
1x DCoL
1x Mindflayer
1x Black Dragon
1x Lich Necromancer
2x Ogre
1x Troll
1x Large Monstrous Spider
1x Frenzied Berserker
1x HEBI
1x Minotaur (HAR)
1x Unicorn
2x Forest Troll
1x Probe Droid
1x Luke, Jedi Knight
2x Anakin VR from CS
1x Qui-Gon (not the broken one)
1x Agen Kolar Jedi Master
1x Tion Medon
1x Bail Organa

+ $20 and maybe some other minis

They all have their corresponding stat cards and are all unbagged but in mint condition. Let me know if this seems appeasable to you. It's everything I can spare and all the cash I have left except what I would use to send.

-Lance

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Originally posted by dm5



[quote]Originally posted by -Lance-

I talked to a good friend of mine who plays and he made the following suggestion after an hour or so of heated conversation over what is or isn't fair. He said, "What if you just take the rare minis you aren't using that you recieved in trades (quite a few) + others and send them in one box to one highly trust worthy member of the forum, preferrably someone not involved in the trades and let them split them up from there?" He even offered to give back all of the minis I gave him for his b-day so I could make this right. Obviously I would ship insured and DC on this as to prevent ANY mix up at all.-[/i]

Which trustworthy member has agreed to broker this deal?

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Originally posted by Kithmaker

Lance -- I just want to make sure that, once you receive the package and get ready to send mine out that you:
1) send it Air Mail (-not- Surface), since I'm over in Korea and surface takes FOREVER;
2) insure it (since you won't be able to get Delivery Confirmation to my address).

Looking forward to completing our trade.

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Originally posted by brothernoah

WTF

Do you own a Beholder. Well you should have mine, it arrived at your house on 4/11/05. Thats the one I sent and thats the one I want back if im not getting the ones we agreed on. A "few" good ones arent ones that I want nor do I need.

Noah

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lance Wilson"
To: "Noah"
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: beholder trade


Well I guess it is that or nothing eh?

Take it or leave it...I'm giving people the opportunity to get some
minis (several of them very nice) to make this right. If that's not
good enough, then nothing will be.

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On 4/17/05, Noah wrote:
> uhhh.....id rather just have my beholder or the ones we agreed on. I'm the one thats out here bro. And no one is really buying the whole mail thing and to keep harping on that is really just gonna dig you a bigger whole. Especially if the USPS gets involved. Im not trying to be a dick my man, id rather just erase this whole ordeal from my brain, get my beholder back and trade it to my boy for the same as we were trading. Make it happen bro.
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> Noah
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lance Wilson"
> To: "Noah"
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: beholder trade
>
> Noah, Your pieces were sent out. (Wether the arrive is doubtful seeing
> the current trend) What I'm trying to do is, send everything I can
> spare + some cash to a respectable and trust worthy member of
> maxminis. From there it can be split up among those who did not
> recieve their packages due to the USPS error. (Such as you) And mailed out using the cash that was included. As I said earlier it's
unrealistic and unfair to expect me to send back everything I traded
for...then what happens is I'm not only losing everything I traded for them BUT What I got in return. It's a lose lose for me...I end up with basically no collection at all. Can you see where I am coming from?
>
> -Lance
>
> On 4/17/05, Noah wrote:
> > Lance,
> >
> > I see you posted something about sending those miniatures out. I just
> want
> > to know, did you send mine? The trade was for a Beholder on my end and on
> > the other was, Warpriest of Hextor, Centaur Hero, and a Fiendish Praying
> > Mantis. This is what I have been waiting on and this is what I would like
> > to get. Let me know if you sent these if not Ill take the Beholder back.
> I
> > dont see any of these pieces in your list so im hoping you already shipped
> > them. I dont wanna blow you up on the boards, its been done already, but
> I
> > would like to know whats up. Thanks bro.
> >
> > Noah

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Originally posted by brothernoah

Cant you just mail mine?

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Originally posted by Yukon Cornelius

Anyone else who has been ripped off by Lance, please email me. I'm compiling a list for submission to the Nevada, MO police department.

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Originally posted by Kithmaker

I have a similar offer from Lance regarding the several Star Wars miniatures I sent him.

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Originally posted by Grgbobe

While I'm glad that some of you may be getting your minis back, it doesn't appear that I will be so lucky. I sent out 8 different rares for trade and only 4 of them appear in Lance's list as "available".

Lance, if you really want to make things right here, you need to find a way to satisfy everyone that has sent you minis. Saying "uncle" and asking an impartial 3rd party to shoulder your responsibility doesn't cut it. Working out deals to get minis back to a few traders and leaving the rest of us high & dry doesn't cut it.

When I was broke and found out I owed $1,500 in taxes at tax time, I worked my butt off and paid it. If you've got time to play D&D or D&D Minis, then you've got time to get a job or a 2nd job and buy the minis you owe people and hold up your end of a bargain.

Either send me the minis I sent to you or send me the minis you agreed to send me in the first place. Do that for everyone you agreed to trade with and that's how you can make this situation right. Anything else will be seen as a scam.

You'll probably get upset when you read this and post another "I won't be back" reply. However, I hope you'll see you accepted a responsibility when you initiated and agreed to a trade and you'll buck up and do the right thing instead.

Please email me your plan to make this right with me by tomorrow at 8 PM your time.

Grgbobe

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