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asteroidjawa
Sneak
112 Posts
    
 | | 06/22/2005 12:44 PM |
| | Well it is now Wednesday, and no response from -Lance- so I am going to report this to the authorities. I have lost my patience and am fed up with him completely ignoring all my posts and e-mails. I will withdraw my complaint if -Lance- sends me back my minis, but at this point, he STOLE my minis. If he wants to make this right, it is not hard to repackage the 4 minis I sent and pay the $1.50 to send them back to me with a DC#. E-mail me at asteroidjawa@yahoo.com if you truly want to make this right. I don't want to hear any more excuses, you have my minis and I want them back now! | |
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moebigsley
Sneak
157 Posts
| | 06/22/2005 10:44 PM |
| I am about at the the same point. I know he has made right with some people, but he has not contacted me in any way or responded to any of my emails for months. I have laid back and tried to give him room to fix this up, I have even offered to pay his shipping costs. Nothing.
Once again...
I gave:
Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight
Princess Leia, Senator
Agen Kolar, Jedi Master
Darth Tyranus
Lance gives: (obviously, nothing was sent)
AT-RT
Yoda
Medical Droid
I'll agree to anything you guys want to do, but I have lost any shred of hope that I had. I am completely soured on trading. | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2720 Posts
| | 06/23/2005 12:33 AM |
| -Lance- has said that he has difficulties to send minis to everyone, but has mentioned that what he COULD do is to send them all for one of us to be forwarded. With precautions I already mentioned, there should be no problems with that. If we agree to that and he won't do that or delays it indefinitely, we are sure about what to do.
Before all other things, I want my minis back. Or, preferably minis on my want -list even if they would be of little lesser value. I guess this is true for most of you. Please read my previous mail and agree to it, it seems that only after that we can really know where we go!
-Lance-, are you there? If you really want to get this out of your hands, start making a list of minis you are sending to Brazenwood if we get enough people here - everyone's minis (with their owner's name after them) and ones you promised to send for compensation. I have already agreed to this method, and obviously Brazenwood. | |
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Yukon Cornelius
Warrior
337 Posts
| | 06/23/2005 1:29 AM |
| Today was the official THREE MONTH mark for me! I've been dealing with this problem for THREE MONTHS and still I have not gotten my minis back!
Lance, I need you to send me my minis back IMMEDIATELY. I've been patient enough. Everyone on this board has been patient enough. It's time to either make good on your promise or face the legal consequences.
If I don't have a confirmation number by June 30, I'm going through with my original plan to take this to the authorities. | |
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Krush
Commander
3779 Posts
| | 06/23/2005 2:32 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sean-Khan
quote:
Originally posted by -Lance-
keep the reimbursement minis on hand and in reserve. The only other option is for me to box everyones stuff up in one box, send it with DC to a trustworthy and respectable member of the boards and they can send everyone their stuff from there. That would mean people would have to foot the bill, or perhaps I could throw in a few minis to make it worth the individuals while to rebox and reship all of the minis to their designated destination. I have a feeling that no one would be interested in that option though, so for now we wait.
I vote for this kind of action to be taken. If we get several (if not all) of us in this, you get many if not all of the problematic trades out of your hands.
brazenwood has already agreed to this. -Lance-, if you post here the list of minis you are sending when we've gathered enough people, send the packet with receiving confirmation, and he'll print it and checks the packet through with a witness or two, we should have no chance of extra complications here whatever happens. I and anyone else should be willing to give little compensation for him, and as you promised, you would add some extra for compensation for him too. And, like I've mentioned in my mail to the other traders, I can accept surface mail as delivery method from Brazenwood, like everyone else should do if required.
For me, like other international traders I guess, this is actually worth it anyway; If Brazenwood can arrange some small trading from his own tradeable minis or from the minis we are supposed to get back, trading a VR for a rare would be worth it, as sending a well packed mini from here is well worth a rare. Brazenwood, if this starts to work out, I guess it's allright to post you a want-list after checking your have-list and other involved people's receiving -list?
Now, everybody willing to get into this, sound off here, with the minis you are supposed to get, and list minis you are supposed to get. This is the chance for everyone to get throught with this, so get in and let us hear from it right away!
My minis:
Anakin Skywalker (CS, VR)
Quinlan Vos (CS, VR)
And, I'm ready to compensate Brazenwood worth ~1 rare for doing this. And, these minis are both available for trading.
As a outside party looking in, yes I have a completed trade with -lance-, and as someone who has traded with him. I suggest and why I am doing this (is beyond my own reasoning) I would volunteer my services as a third party to be the middleman.
So if -lance- does reply, let me know by posting here.
From there if acceptable by all parties,
I will accept from -lance- a package that contains mini's and a detailed list of who gets what and I'll send from there(actually me) to the respected parties.
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ArchMage7
Sergeant
358 Posts
CA, USA
| | 06/23/2005 10:45 AM |
| | I'm all for the idea to ship the minis to a head man and then distribute them accordingly among there. It's been 2.5 months already and I haven't got a single minis back from -Lance-. At least this way it might get back quicker. | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2720 Posts
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flynnal
Skirmisher
8 Posts
| | 06/23/2005 9:53 PM |
| I belong to a collective that made a minorly successful [shocker] trade (in that we didn't lose any minis) with Lance a while back, and I've been following what's been going on since. I've never posted on here because we already have official representation, but I do check this site often. Lance, you say you're trying to make the situation right, but you really have almost zero credibility. No one has received your "original" no-DC USPS shipment from 2 months ago, and you have not publicly owned up that the minis were not sent. From the way people are complaining about your email and posting silence (again), I take it that you still have no money, that you aren't getting any hours at your job, that you don't know what to do about the situation. Is it really that hard to acquire $30 to make good on a deal you made with 21 people months ago? Here are some suggestions:
A) Ask your parents. I know you want to handle this on your own, but it is blisteringly clear that you are incapable of doing so. Once again, some of your trades have been going on for 3 months, which should be a sign that you need someone elses help. You could even ask them if there is anything you can do to earn money (mow the lawn, clean the house, do the laundry, wash the car, return the recycling, weed the plants, bathe the dog, clear the dishes, scrub the toilets, vacuum all carpets, dust their office, organize their possessions).
B) Ask your friends. If you borrow $5 from 6 friends, you should have the money to send people their minis. Or ask your siblings for money, and then deal with them for the next three months when you don't pay up.
C) Sell some personal belongings. It sucks, but its only $30, and the items are replaceable. You bought minis in the past, so you probably have a rare or two lying around. Couple these minis with a few magic cards and you have $30. You can then re-purchase them at a later time. Or, you know those albums you bought 4 years ago that you never really listen to anymore? Burn them, sell them, and now you have some additional money. Or go to your local Missouri Blockbuster and unload some of your old DVDs or PS2/XBOX/PS1/N64/GCUBE games. Sure, it sucks supporting Blockbuster, and I think they only give you store credit, but next time you and your friend rent Napolean Dynamite and Space Raiders, use your store credit and have your friend give you cash. DVDs run around $4 per rental, which is over 13% of the cash necessary to complete your trades.
D) Stop making extraneous purchases. Instead of buying the new radiohead or necrophagist album, burn it from one of the five friends who also have it. I know you're a huge fan so you want to own the album artwork, but you can wait until next month when you aren't in debt to 21 people. Instead of buying three soft tacos and a soda from Taco Bell, hold off and eat a PBJ at home. You have already saved 10% of what you need to make good on an arangement you entered into 3 months ago. Another way to look at it is to compare everything you buy to how much you need. A typical DC is $1.50, so you can look at every $1.50 saved as another package sent. You want that 16oz Dr. Pepper and a Butterfinger from 7-11? Oh wait, you owe a plethora of people minis that are in your possession, and that purchase ($1.29 x 2 + MO sales tax) constitutes almost 2 DCs. Hold off on that purchase and make good (which you desperately want to do) on your deal with two different people. Or try bumming rides off of friends in order to save on gas money. With summer gas prices being what they are, saving half a tank of gas would probably give you over 50% of your needed funds.
All of these are pretty simple tasks that you can probably handle. No one is asking you to find another job or quit school. And I'm sure if you consistently communicated with everyone that the people you owe minis would continue to be patient, as they have been for the 90+ days this ordeal has been going on. But your dishonesty, your disappearing acts, and your lack of respect for those you are trading with is a punch in the sack to those who have shown you infinite patience. It is quite likely that these traders would rather be fine-tuning new warbands or pursuing other trades than checking in with you.
You are in possession of property that does not belong to you. You need to return it. You have been given ample time to locate the necessary funds, but you continue to procrastinate. Don't you feel guilty, and wouldn't you feel better if you actually did the right thing and returned everyone's property? If I were in your situation, I know I would.
All of this assumes that you still have the minis. If you are deliberately not returning the minis because you lost them, sold them, gave them away, or you like playing with them too much, then you're a dick and you deserve to go to jail. I'm sure the people on this board are much more understanding than the Missouri Department of Corrections, where you will probably qualify as an adult felon because you are 17 (17 year have been tried as adults in Missouri) and had/have in your possession stolen property exceeding $500 dollars, which I think is normally the cut-off between misdemeanor larceny and felony larceny.
Lastly, you tend to respond to every hostile posting by becoming extremely defensive, quibbling about trivial matters, and lying, so I'll try to stop this before it happens. If you are going to say that you did send out everyone's package 2 months ago and that you're the victim of USPS, no one believes you so don't bother. If you are going to say that my estimate of $30 is wrong, then substitute any reasonable shipping value and use the above suggestions to reach it. The only way you can claim that you cannot obtain the money is if you must replace every mini that was sent to you, at which point you're in a lot of trouble. If your response includes something along the lines of "everybody is against me so I'm not coming back/this is a conspiracy/I'm the victim," keep in mind that this email is not from everybody, just one person who you had indirect dealings with...so don't hide behind that tired excuse. If you want to say that this is none of my business, please don't, because your apathetic and mendacious approach to trading poisons the atmosphere for everyone else. Finally, I realize that you are only 17 but you should act like an adult and email the people whose property you have. It may be a difficult task, but they deserve to be kept informed.
Three months is a gracious amount of time for a transaction that should take 2-3 weeks. Maybe someone (or everyone) should call or write his parents if he does not contact you. If he refuses to accept the legal ramifications of his actions, I'm sure his parents will at least recognize the danger he is in, and act appropriately. Or Lance can just send back the minis. What do you prefer Lance? | |
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arbados
Underboss
1434 Posts
New York, USA
| | 06/23/2005 11:36 PM |
| | I am fine with the minis sent to one party and then distributed from there. hey I will even pay shipping just to feel it is over. I even told you to substitute a lesser min in the trade which you say you now have (gauth) | |
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Yukon Cornelius
Warrior
337 Posts
| | 06/24/2005 12:51 AM |
| Flynnal, just one post and already you're my hero.
Lance, here's the deal: The short-term cash may seem like a lot. Compare it with the consequences of the dozens of people you ripped off going to the authorites, and it's a BARGAIN.
Make good on this now, and it all goes away. You're the only one who can make it happen. | |
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-Lance-
Warrior
251 Posts
| | 06/25/2005 4:54 AM |
| Let me be quite honest here. I have procrastinated on this, and I feel horrible. Though I must detest to this being claimed a "dissapearing act"...about 2 weeks ago my house was struck by lightning and my computer quit working due to a power surge. (As well as a couple of other, less important things) Since then I have had literally no computer access at all. (They won't even let me use the computers at the local library because I wouldn't pay the $25 fee recquired of those who live "out of town"...even though I live less than a mile from city limits and go to school here.) The second it happened, the first thing that came to mind was you guys. I knew you would think I was bailing out or plain out ignoring you. I took it down to Best Buy on Saturday, they said they would let me know how long it would take to be repaired sometime in the next week or so since they had near 40 computers in for repair.
At the moment I have don't have access to the word document I created with names, addresses, usernames and what I was to send since it was on my computer. Does this excuse any of this? No. Does it give a valid reason as to why I haven't been in communication with you all? Yes.
Right now I'm at the point where I just want to send all of this stuff in one package to one person for distrubition to those who I have disputed trades with. The problem is I've lost all the addresses, names, usernames, what to send, etc when the computer died. At the moment I don't see any other option. It would make it so much easier on me too, since I could just put it all in one big box with DC and ship it off to one person. This may not be acceptable to everyone but it's the best I can do.
Please say this will work for you all. I want so badly to be done with this and I know you guys do too.
I'm going to try my hardest to get back online sometime soon but I can't make any promises. In the meantime if you guys could create an organized list of some sort, I would be greatly indebted to you.
-Lance | |
Completed Trades: Krush, Christof, qillan_dvra, Kithmaker | |
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Kumag
Sergeant
450 Posts
The Philippines
| | 06/25/2005 7:28 AM |
| Personally, I am not amenable to this as I don't want to burden another person with shipping internationally my minis to me.
I have sent you an email on how to settle this between us. I am assuming your old email address is still there. If not, please post in this thread the email address where I can contact you.
Please settle this once and for all. You have procrastinated long enough.
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Successful int'l trades(39): UK, time-bandit, Darkfather, smetzger, Kithmaker, thedip, tev, minatoman38 x3, Tasmanian_Tiger, chaoticgood, Tysac, Maniacal Mini Monger x2, Brucemc, Schooly_D, GreyOne, mnpatsfan, -Lance-, Wraith428, Shadowlord, Thailfi, TheDoctor, Siddartha of Suburbia, Feratu, Zeoph, elfinboots, Thatoneguy, Avrivah, sam500, WakeXX, Darrell, sfgiants, tyngfumv, stephengroy, gaarew, Kensei, Monolthicus
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Villiam
Sneak
55 Posts
| | 06/25/2005 10:17 AM |
| Here is a list of the 14 people I was able to contact via email. I got their names from the disputed trades thread, all claiming bad trades with you. I had real names also, but I edited them out for the sake of privacy on this post. This is a list of only what they sent to you, not what they were supposed to receive back. I did not get enough info from enough folks to get a list of what they were supposed to have recieved.
Boss Squig on maxminis.com
2 Drow Clerics of Lolth
Harbinger Minotaur
FM Scorpion
2 Forest Trolls
Dire Bear
Total replacement cost $157.00
dm5, on maxminis.com
Frenzied Berserker
Half-Elf Bow Initiate
Qui Gon
Total replacement cost $49.00
brazenwood on maxminis.com
Frenzied Berserker
Cleric of Grummsh
Probe Droid
Total replacement cost $57.00
arbados on maxminis.com
Large Blue Dragon
4 Orc savages
Total replacement cost $27.00
gordonboom on maxminis
Elf Pyromancer
Human Blackguard
Ogre (harbinger)
Gauth
Half Elf Bow Initiate
Total replacement cost $108.00
kumag on maxminis.com
Orc Champ
Ogre Ravager
Tiefling Capt
Orc Warriors x2
Total replacement cost $35.00
grgpope on maxminis.com
Green Dragon
Half Elven Bow Initiate
Vampire Aristorcrat
Brass Dragon
Eye of Gruumsh
Ogre
Ogre Ravager
Black Dragon
Total replacement cost $137.00
ares71 on maxminis.com
Elf Pyromancer
Red Wyrmling
Greenfang Druid
Champion of Yondolla
Total replacement cost $54.00
Yukon Cornelius on maxminis.com
Emperor Palpatine, RS
Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight
Chewbacca, RS
Total replacement cost, $74.00
SeanKhan on maxminis.com
Anakin Skywalker (CS)
Quinlan Vos (CS)
Total replacement cost $44.00
BuddyLSavage on maxminis.com
Large Blue Dragon
Total replacement cost $23.00
asteroidjawa on maxminis.com
Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight
Mon Mothma
Bail Organa
Tion Medon
Total replacement cost $64.75
Johnboy069 on maxminis.com
Ogre Ravager
Ogre
Purple Dragon Knight
Warforged Fighter
Forset Troll
Total replacement cost $64.00
myself, Villiam on maxminis.com
IG-88
Ki-Adi Mundi
General Kenobi
Plo Koon
Agen Kolar
Kit Fisto
Total replacement cost $51.50
Total replacement cost $945.25
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Yukon Cornelius
Warrior
337 Posts
| | 06/25/2005 10:40 AM |
| I'm a little wary of having everything sent to one person. First, no one should have to be responsible for someone else's mistake. Second, and more importantly, what happens if the package to the middleman is short, or goes missing? Then who do we deal with? Then there's the expense to the middleman to consider, shipping all the individual packages.
I'm sure that a trustworthy member of this board could handle getting the packages out, but it shouldn't be his responsibility if something goes wrong with this shipment. | |
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asteroidjawa
Sneak
112 Posts
| | 06/25/2005 1:31 PM |
| Ok, that explains your lack of responses for the past two weeks to my requests. However it still doesn't excuse your lack of communication with me prior to then. I am willing to forgive that if you send my minis back to me by the end of next week, 7/1/05. If you are unable to look at Villiams post, I want back the following that you stole from me:
Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight
Mon Mothma
Bail Organa
Tion Medon
Total replacement cost $64.75
To correct your errors, You will e-mail me to tell me what you are going to send me to rectify the situation and I will resend you my address. I do not like the idea of the middle man at all. It should not be that hard for you to just reseal a package I send you several months ago with the minis I sent you back to me. Again, my e-mail address is asteroidjawa@yahoo.com I expect to hear from you very soon. | |
Sucessful trade with: Peaches, Count Dooku, Tirwin, WarGolem, mattjuarez, Thom, Yukon Cornelius | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2720 Posts
| | 06/26/2005 9:09 AM |
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Originally posted by Yukon Cornelius
I'm a little wary of having everything sent to one person. First, no one should have to be responsible for someone else's mistake. Second, and more importantly, what happens if the package to the middleman is short, or goes missing? Then who do we deal with? Then there's the expense to the middleman to consider, shipping all the individual packages.
I'm sure that a trustworthy member of this board could handle getting the packages out, but it shouldn't be his responsibility if something goes wrong with this shipment.
What I mentioned should pretty much help with these problems. DC confirms if the packet has been picked up, and additional information can be had from PO if something goes wrong. If the middle man has, maybe two? witnesses with him when he opens the package, this helps if there is problems about package having less minis than needed or something else.
And, if the middle man volunteers to this, everybody compensating him a little (Like I mentioned that I can get one rare back instead of VR) should make for the trouble, especially if the trader has some trades to do himself. | |
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TravisInferno
Sneak
99 Posts
| | 06/27/2005 12:20 PM |
| | i understand that i am prolly the lowest screwed person on this list since it is just one very rare i lost but please everyone dont forget me and yes i vote for the middleman, hell, i might even agree to do it if it will speed this up, but lance, i would either like the Emperor Palpatine from Rebel storm you were suppost ot send me or my orginal Anakin Skywalker (Clone Strike VR) that i have confirmed reached you. If anyone wants to contact me, PM me a message to resolve this. | |
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-Lance-
Warrior
251 Posts
| | 06/27/2005 12:33 PM |
| I can replace all of what was listed by Villiam except for the following:
1x Drow Clerics of Lolth
1x Frenzied Berserker
2x Half-Elf Bow Initiate
1x Cleric of Grummsh
1x Orc Champion
1x Ogre Ravager
2x Orc Warriors
1x Eye of Gruumsh
1x Champion of Yondolla
1x Ogre
1x Warforged Fighter
1x Purple Dragon Knight
At the moment, middleman seems to be the only possibility for shipping these out as it's the only way I'll be able to afford it. If that doesn't work, I'm not sure what to tell you all. I can most likely include a few decent rares for the person who takes on this responsibility. As far as complications, as long as I ship with DC to a trustworthy member, there shouldn't be a problem. For those of you this doesn't work for...I'm afraid you don't have much choice. At least you'll be getting your minis back or reimbursement of some sort.
I'll try to post again tomorrow.
-Lance
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Completed Trades: Krush, Christof, qillan_dvra, Kithmaker | |
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ares71
Sergeant
448 Posts
Central Illinois
| | 06/27/2005 7:37 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by -Lance-
I can replace all of what was listed by Villiam except for the following:
1x Drow Clerics of Lolth
1x Frenzied Berserker
2x Half-Elf Bow Initiate
1x Cleric of Grummsh
1x Orc Champion
1x Ogre Ravager
2x Orc Warriors
1x Eye of Gruumsh
1x Champion of Yondolla
1x Ogre
1x Warforged Fighter
1x Purple Dragon Knight
At the moment, middleman seems to be the only possibility for shipping these out as it's the only way I'll be able to afford it. If that doesn't work, I'm not sure what to tell you all. I can most likely include a few decent rares for the person who takes on this responsibility. As far as complications, as long as I ship with DC to a trustworthy member, there shouldn't be a problem. For those of you this doesn't work for...I'm afraid you don't have much choice. At least you'll be getting your minis back or reimbursement of some sort.
I'll try to post again tomorrow.
-Lance
The Champion of Yondolla is what you are shorting me. I'll settle for the other 3 out of the 4 back as better than nothing. However, if you have some additional rares, you "could" substitute one of something else instead of shorting me a rare.
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Completed Trades: drowdude, brooklynknight, Xikilm, King CroMag, VultureDoodle, Captain Harlock, Cha0tic g0od x2, Stabmastaarson, Kritter, Son of Cyric, Shadow Lord, ckissee, cavedweller, Trilistria, LabMonkey, qillan_dvra, Lady-Bast, agcooper1, Dwarven Emperor + dozens more (newest in system) | |
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Krush
Commander
3779 Posts
| | 06/28/2005 1:54 AM |
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Originally posted by -Lance-
I can replace all of what was listed by Villiam except for the following:
1x Drow Clerics of Lolth
1x Frenzied Berserker
2x Half-Elf Bow Initiate
1x Cleric of Grummsh
1x Orc Champion
1x Ogre Ravager
2x Orc Warriors
1x Eye of Gruumsh
1x Champion of Yondolla
1x Ogre
1x Warforged Fighter
1x Purple Dragon Knight
At the moment, middleman seems to be the only possibility for shipping these out as it's the only way I'll be able to afford it. If that doesn't work, I'm not sure what to tell you all. I can most likely include a few decent rares for the person who takes on this responsibility. As far as complications, as long as I ship with DC to a trustworthy member, there shouldn't be a problem. For those of you this doesn't work for...I'm afraid you don't have much choice. At least you'll be getting your minis back or reimbursement of some sort.
I'll try to post again tomorrow.
-Lance
Once again I offer my services (i.e. middleman) to help this mess get cleared up. I await a reply from somebody. If you do send an email to me please put in the subject line -lance-'s trades.
Thanks again. | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2720 Posts
| | 06/28/2005 2:49 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Krush
Once again I offer my services (i.e. middleman) to help this mess get cleared up. I await a reply from somebody. If you do send an email to me please put in the subject line -lance-'s trades.
Thanks again.
Thanks for the offer, it is fine with me if you are the middle man. But, I'd still prefer Brazenwood. We mailed about this with others still in this, I suggested him and he agreed. He's one still involved in this (has one packet less to send), has good amount of trades completed too and from personal point of view, I saw some straight-away trading possibilities with him - if nothing else, I could trade my VR he wants for a R of his as I promised that kind of thing for compensation for doing this.
But anyway, you'll also do perfectly well, Krush. What do others think? | |
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Villiam
Sneak
55 Posts
| | 06/28/2005 8:28 AM |
| -Lance-, you are a damn dirty liar. No money to ship OUR minis back huh? I hope you are enjoying your 2 new CDs, 'Make Believe' and The White Stripe's 'Get Behind Me Satan.' Here is a link for all to see. I want to thank the person that emailed this to me.
http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=Lance_Wilson
Im contacting the authorities this week with all the info I have, Im tired of your BS and you keeping the minis you STOLE from us. | |
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bassman2972
Underboss
1675 Posts
The ville IN. AKA Hell on earth
| | 06/28/2005 2:07 PM |
| Rather than everyone posting threats, Has anyone tried to call him and talk to his parents? He's still a minor (so to speak) Which makes his parents still responcable for his actions. What he's done is not only (and not nessecarily) theft, but a breach of contract as well. Being only 17, He can not enter into a contract without his parents permission. If he does, and fails to hold his end of the deal, his parents can be held accountable for the losses. I'm sure they would love to know about this. And the impending felony charges their son faces.
Someone should contact them and direct them to this site and see how many complaints he has against him. It can't hurt to let them know and they may force him to make good on everything immediately.
Just my .02 cause I hate to see so many good people get taken. | |
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Krush
Commander
3779 Posts
| | 06/28/2005 5:29 PM |
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Originally posted by Villiam
-Lance-, you are a damn dirty liar. No money to ship OUR minis back huh? I hope you are enjoying your 2 new CDs, 'Make Believe' and The White Stripe's 'Get Behind Me Satan.' Here is a link for all to see. I want to thank the person that emailed this to me.
http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=Lance_Wilson
Im contacting the authorities this week with all the info I have, Im tired of your BS and you keeping the minis you STOLE from us.
Well I am retracting my offer (middleman) after seeing that. If that is not a smoking gun I don't know what is. -Lance- I'm sorry buddy but you've got your hand stuck in the cookie jar. As quoted above are you enjoying those cd's? | |
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Krush
Commander
3779 Posts
| | 06/28/2005 5:33 PM |
| | If you guys dig a bit deeper -lance- is even kind enough to post his phone nmuber. | |
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squarescales
Sneak
80 Posts
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Krush
Commander
3779 Posts
| | 06/29/2005 12:30 AM |
| I attempted to "sign up" at lance's site and was told somebody already has my username! Gee how strange is that?
-Lance- if you/or one of your friends are using my username as a alias on Xango.com, you have picked the wrong person to mess with.
I will most definitly support any action taken against you. I am somewhat curious as to why your parents don't know yet? Only a matter of time. By the way since your number is posted so it should be pretty easy for the folks you owe mini's to call you. And the area code is....417. | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2720 Posts
| | 06/29/2005 4:11 AM |
| Yukon's time limit is about to end, and that's what I chose to my time limit too. If you send the minis before that, it might be considered as mitigating circumstances if this is taken to the authorities anyway. -Lance-, I'd really like to see you fried after all you've done, but what might seem strange to you, I like to keep my promises. If the minis are on the way before it changes to july, I will take no personal action. Just a word and I'll post my address and information about minis, if you are lucky others too. But, as you seem to have money after all, I suppose you can send them to everyone personally.
No time for that, want to hang out with your friends? Then hang with them very much, as things may change a lot for you soon.
Interesting - no-one here seems to have signed the guestbook yet... Maybe we all should? | |
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Villiam
Sneak
55 Posts
| | 06/29/2005 8:49 AM |
| This individual emailed today with his info on what -Lance- has of his still.
Archmage7 on Maxminis.com
Thayan Knight
Yuan-Ti Abomination
Aspect of Nerull
Total replacement cost $40.00
I didnt look at his site much, so I didnt notice that there was a phone number on it. I hope someone has written it down before he edits it out. | |
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Kumag
Sergeant
450 Posts
The Philippines
| | 06/29/2005 9:16 AM |
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For those of you this doesn't work for...I'm afraid you don't have much choice.
Believe me when I say that it's you who don't have much choice. Do what's right Lance before things get any worse. | |
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Yukon Cornelius
Warrior
337 Posts
| | 06/29/2005 10:45 AM |
| If I had any sympathy for this kid, it's gone now. I should have acted sooner, but I really only want my stuff back, and let myself get taken in (again).
Lance: I need a confirmation number by tomorrow. According to your blog you have a lot of time on your hands. Spend some of it along with the buck fifty it will cost to mail my figs back and make good on your promise.
Villiam: I've got the number, along with a reverse lookup of the address. I have a feeling that my first course of action Friday will be forwarding it to the Nevada, MO police department. It sounds like they're already acquainted with Lance, so it shouldn't be too hard for them to track him down.
Once I get a contact there, I'll forward his name/number along to anyone else who has gotten scammed.
Of course, I'll email Lance once more in hopes of getting some kind of response, but my hopes are not high.
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DNDJUNKIE
Sergeant
498 Posts
| | 06/29/2005 11:10 AM |
| hello all,
first i am not involvrd in a failoed trade with lance, i have been following this since the begining and it is down right dirty. i did a little investigating into this and have come up with his mothers place of work, work phone number, address of business, mothers name (aparintly remarried or lance has a different daddy what ever the case the last name is different) also a fax number. this is 99% accurate going with the info i had to start with. first using his phone number i looked up whos name it was under. then verified that against the name of his mother that he gave in the cd buying letter above. the names matched now i had a full name to work with. did another search in another database that i use at work and came up with a hit for work that match his mothers name and state city zip of there residence. then i check another database to make sure there were no other people in his area with the same name as not to get confused with someone else, no hits. so as said above it is 99% accurate. i will not post it here but if you wanted the info for any reason just email me.
i know it is none of my business but i hate to see good people get taken. i only dug this up in the event that your calls to home were somehow being serconvented by lance and so you could avoid having to get into an argument with him at home or have your numbers be screnned by caler id or something. i dont know just wanted to help in some way. sorry to all if i am overstepping my place. but it is what i would do if i got taken. get as much info as i could. by the way i loved the stat card. lol | |
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moebigsley
Sneak
157 Posts
| | 06/29/2005 1:47 PM |
| Villiam,
Please add me to the list of unsatisfied traders with –Lance-. I have been trying to get added for months and despite the number of emails and posts on maxminis, every time a list of aggrieved traders is posted my name is omitted from it.
Once again:
I gave:
Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight
Princess Leia, Senator
Agen Kolar, Jedi Master
Darth Tyranus
Lance gives: (obviously, nothing was sent)
AT-RT
Yoda
Medical Droid
Thanks.
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 06/29/2005 1:53 PM |
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Originally posted by moebigsley
Villiam,
Please add me to the list of unsatisfied traders with –Lance-. I have been trying to get added for months and despite the number of emails and posts on maxminis, every time a list of aggrieved traders is posted my name is omitted from it.
I've had you on the disputed trades list for some time:
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2574
I read a few pages of -Lance-'s blog. In addition to many references to buying new books, CDs, movie admissions and games, he speaks of having to do hours of community service. He may have some sort of previous police record. It seems foolish to seriously jeopardize his record over minis. However, it looks like you guys have little other choice but to press ahead with police action. | |
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bonelock
Underboss
1268 Posts
| | 06/29/2005 2:02 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
He may have some sort of previous police record. It seems foolish to seriously jeopardize his record over minis. However, it looks like you guys have little other choice but to press ahead with police action.
Indeed. He refers to having a "record" a couple pages back in this trading thread. | |
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moebigsley
Sneak
157 Posts
| | 06/29/2005 2:03 PM |
| | I posted in his guestbook, just a summary of what is stated here. I wrote that he is exposed and that we are angry and that he must contact us with a resolution asap. I just want this to be over so badly. I hate getting all riled up about it. | |
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moebigsley
Sneak
157 Posts
| | 06/29/2005 2:07 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
quote:
Originally posted by moebigsley
Villiam,
Please add me to the list of unsatisfied traders with –Lance-. I have been trying to get added for months and despite the number of emails and posts on maxminis, every time a list of aggrieved traders is posted my name is omitted from it.
I've had you on the disputed trades list for some time:
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2574
I read a few pages of -Lance-'s blog. In addition to many references to buying new books, CDs, movie admissions and games, he speaks of having to do hours of community service. He may have some sort of previous police record. It seems foolish to seriously jeopardize his record over minis. However, it looks like you guys have little other choice but to press ahead with police action.
Yes, but I am not on Villiam's list, and -Lance- himself has never included me in his attempts to offer compensation. | |
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Yukon Cornelius
Warrior
337 Posts
| | 06/29/2005 2:09 PM |
| I just want to caution everyone against calling Lance at home, unless it is for the purpose of alerting his parent(s) to the situation in hopes of resolving it. The worst thing any of us could do is to harass the kid or take any other actions that might be illegal or improper.
If you do contact his parents, please, for the sake of everyone else on this board who's involved, do so courteously and with the goal of getting some kind of resolution to the problem. Tempting as it may be to get out the torches and pitchforks, what we really want is our property back, and we should not lose sight of that.
That being said, if anyone DOES contact his parents, I know we would all be interested in hearing about the conversation.
Thanks,
Yukon | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 06/29/2005 2:09 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by moebigsley
Yes, but I am not on Villiam's list, and -Lance- himself has never included me in his attempts to offer compensation.
Sorry, I misread your post. | |
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ArchMage7
Sergeant
358 Posts
CA, USA
| | 06/29/2005 2:43 PM |
| At this point I really don't believe what -Lance- has to say. His credibility is zip ever since he posted those excuses on the forum and of course many times it doesn't even go through. Unless -Lance- actually makes an effort to mail out the minis with proper DCs he has no credibility. At this point I would think it is better to have his parents involved since I don't really trust him and we might be able to settle this with them. And for the record I've sent my minis about 4/02/05 with DC (if anyone is interested I can give them the number just email me) and its been almost three months of waiting and still getting nothing.
-Lance- you still owe me compensation we agreed on:
Thayan Knight
Yuan-Ti Abomination
Aspect of Nerull
Total replacement cost $40.00
For the minis I sent you on 4/2/05:
Half Elf Bow Initiate
Thayan Knight
Yuan-Ti Abomination
Skullcrusher Ogre and
Bloodhulk Fighter
Talk is cheap -Lance-, so take some responsibility
I have no idea how you even live like this and even think its ok
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