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07/30/2005 6:33 PM  
Group 2 Lance?


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08/01/2005 4:26 PM  
How many people are still waiting to get their minis back?

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08/01/2005 11:06 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Yukon Cornelius

How many people are still waiting to get their minis back?



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08/02/2005 2:52 PM  
Sorry for being away for a few days, I haven't dissapeared off the face of the earth though. Just some things came up. Mainly I've been working, I get paid next Friday.

With that money I plan to buy some more boxes, packing foam and ship to at least 5-8 more people.

Thanks for your patience.

-Lance

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08/07/2005 11:03 PM  
Okay -Lance-, what will you be sending out on Monday? 5-8 packages, I presume?



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08/08/2005 1:19 AM  
No, I get paid this coming Friday, So most likely next Monday, the 15th.

Thanks for the patience guys, I really appreciate it.

-Lance

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08/12/2005 11:34 AM  
just as a check up Lance i want a status report since, im moving on Thursday. Thats how slow you are, when we agreed to this deal i was a high school student, now im a college student.

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08/12/2005 3:24 PM  
Travisinferno: that is the funniest thing I've read all month...on par with Squarescales' stat card.

So, it's payday! -Lance-, how many packages will be sent this weekend? Why not send all 14 and end this?



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08/13/2005 6:08 AM  
The following is being shipped on Monday or Tuesday

1x Gauth
TO: arbados

1x IG-88
1x Ki-Adi Mundi
1x General Kenobi
1x Plo Koon
1x Agen Kolar
1x Kit Fisto
TO: Villiam

1x Beholder
TO: Ravyn

1x Large Blue Dragon
1x Green Dragon
1x Ogre
TO: Grgbobe

Ogre
Grim Necromancers
Forest Troll
Half-Elf Hexblade
Skullcrusher Ogre
TO: johnboy069

1x Centaur Hero
1x Achaerai
TO: samstephenson500

I'll post DC #'s and the like once I have them and if they are available.

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08/13/2005 3:17 PM  
Recieved email from Lance wanting to resolve this. I replied, and hopefully (fingers crossed) the end is in sight.

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08/16/2005 6:11 PM  
Big DC day today. Got the DCs -Lance?- The post office in Missouri is surely closed by now.



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08/17/2005 2:38 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by sttmxn

Big DC day today. Got the DCs -Lance?- The post office in Missouri is surely closed by now.


Yeah, they're going to be sent in a few days. Sorry for the delay, I'm starting school in 2 days and I've been extremely busy. Those listed will see DC's within the next few days. Once again, thanks for your patience.

-Lance

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08/17/2005 1:35 PM  
Good god.



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08/18/2005 12:13 AM  
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Originally posted by sttmxn

Good god.

If you're going to be a pessimist about the situation, then I'm going to ignore you. Things will be shipped when they can be shipped. I'm sorry that I'm busy, but it can't be helped. (I'm sure you have a life as well?) Saturday is most likely when this will happen. Please let me do it and quit being such a cynic.

-Lance

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08/18/2005 5:18 PM  
Pardon me -Lance-, but are we not in month six of this ordeal that is your sole creation? I think cynicism is about the only reasonable response to your endless excuse saga.

Why anyone would take you at your word on this matter is totally beyond me. Back in April, I intentionally conducted my dealings with you outside the public forums. I suspected that you might drop your false prostestations of innocence if I allowed you the option to make good on your botched trade with me under cover of email. Lo and behold, I was totally right. Once I told you that I would not join the public movement building against you, my minis came back to me.

I don't think that I am bound to any kind of silence. I don't think anyone here has any reason to let up on you, to trust in your promises, or to believe your sob stories. I think that you're only caving in to your obligations because people are pestering you about them, and you're afraid of trouble with the law or your parents.

Honestly -Lance-, it doesn't even matter why or even if you lie. Your high school dramas are boring, unconvincing, and so, so old. Six months old, in fact. Just send the minis back and end this.

14 returns are pending. We await a list of DCs.



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08/18/2005 7:03 PM  
Well I was going to say something but thought maybe I shouldn't. Yet again six months is six months. I can't understand how you've been so busy since on your website you claim to bored stupid. In the time you've had to blog on the every day doins of your life you could have had this whole trade mess cleared up. To each his own I guess.

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08/22/2005 3:18 PM  
To maxminis staff, i assume that lance Will be banned as soon as this is resolved correct?

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08/22/2005 6:58 PM  
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Originally posted by -Lance-

I'm sure you have a life as well?
-Lance-



NOTE: I do not have and never had a trade with -Lance-

Well, your "life" should consist of honoring your commitments. No other endeavor, be it entertainment, friendships, etc. should take priority before fulfilling the promises you have made.

I was involved in a car accident which totalled my car. My wife and I moved into our first house a couple of weeks later. We had to borrow her father's car for a couple of weeks so that we didn't mess up our credit on buying the house by getting a large loan right before settling on the house. We replaced our car. We're not rich.

Throughout that time, I had ongoing maxminis trades coming and going. The latest I ever shipped anything was TWO days after I promised I would.

Saying you also have a life and other important things is absolutely insufficient and weak.

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08/22/2005 9:58 PM  
Well put, and dramatically illustrated. Thanks for chiming in, CD. How come no one who actually has a trade is speaking up? Those of you with pending trades do realize, I hope, that if you don't speak up, -Lance- is surely going to "take the mini and run," so to speak?

Tomorrow will be one week since -Lance- told us that "the following will be shipped on Monday or Tuesday." No updates, other than updated excuses (consider a new thread "-Lance's- excuses?).

Any progress, -Lance-, our dear, beleaguered Maxminis community member?



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08/22/2005 10:55 PM  
Hear, hear, Corim. I'm a college professor with a newborn child to raise and a dissertation to finish. And yet, I somehow manage to find the time to get trades in the mail in a timely fashion. Unless you're using spent uranium as packing material, a package of minis costs about 2-3 bucks to ship. Borrow the money from your parents or buds if that's what it takes, but GET THE MONKEY OFF YOUR BACK. About thirty dollars and a trip to the USPS is a small price to pay to be a man and get this resolved.

Corim is right: an important part of "having a life" is to honor your committments.

Stoat, it just may be that people who are owed minis have just given up. That may be what -Lance- is counting on. Keep on him.

PROVE ME WRONG, -Lance-, rub my big fat face in it. Ship those minis TODAY!

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08/22/2005 10:56 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by sttmxn



Any progress, -Lance-, our dear, beleaguered Maxminis community member?



Oh yes I am interested in hearing as well, I've been too busy trading with people face to face and all to follow what has been happening.


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08/23/2005 11:10 PM  
Come on Lance, You're leaving me hanging out here in the desert of no minis...I need my minis back, and I'm sick and tired of waiting. What happened on the way to the post office? Did you get highjacked by afghanistanians and now you're somewher in Kijerkistan or what? Get thos eminis back so we can clear this please!


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08/24/2005 1:28 AM  
A few posts back someone mentioned that we who await the return of our minis should speak up. Problem is, most of likely have little to say that is civil. Some of us might even get our wrists tagged by the moderators... :)

Those of waiting for our miniatures to be returned are likely (as I am) positively bored by the litany of preadolescent excuses that Lance has bothered to post (bothered after we threatened, nagged, cajoled...). Clearly we have been expecting more mature behavior from a gentleman who's bohemian lifestyle is more important to him than his reputation. His lackluster performance has left me a tad unfriendly and certainly more than pessimistic about trading online.
If ever I have dealt with someone in dire need of Boot Camp, Lance is candidate #1. Get some spine, boy!

Here's some great options for you, Lance, to resolve our "balance of trade" difficulties:
Send me a Money Order (for my minis and postage losses)
Send me my minis (you still have them according to your lists)
Send me your minis (here's a thought- COMPLETE the trade!)
Send me a freakin' email (you never write or visit, ever)

If you were my kid (and I'm old enough to have fathered you), you'd be cutting a switch right now.

If I sound hostile- it's because I am. Thou art a Twerp. Thou hast stolen from me. Thou sucketh.

You need to do right by me and the others. You have no excuses, no reasons, no alibis, no backup plans, no way out of your obligations without winnowing what's left of your self esteem.

I have sounded off! It's (Glenn) Miller Time!
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08/25/2005 9:43 PM  
Funny--just looking at page 1 of this thread. Someone saying "Hey -Lance-, did you send my Harbinger Troll yet? I haven't received it." Boy, little did we know.

Well anyhow, I think he's gone.. If he's blown all of you off this long (after insisting that "you will see DCs in the next few days"), my guess is that he's just kicking back and laughing.

Hopefully, those of you getting ripped off won't just let that slide. Seems like -Lance- pacified the loud complainers, and now is just letting the rest of you rinse away in his thieving wake. Hopefully those of you left without your minis will renew the fight with vigor. I'm happy to make suggestions about how to pursue this matter further (as I and many others already have) if you want my input.

If you guys let this guy off the hook, it's a serious tragedy. This is the weaseliest kind of deception, and this guy should be taken to task. It seems to me that there *are* avenues for recouping your losses.

Having said that, you should consider this guy to be in true getting-away-with-it gloat: smirkingly building warbands with your minis in one hand while giving us all the finger with the other.



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08/25/2005 11:53 PM  
I'm not kicking back and laughing, I'm not building warbands with your minis. Minis that are owed to people are sitting in sealed, addressed boxes waiting to be shipped, They are not being traded, played with, etc. I haven't even played more than 3-4 games since this ordeal started, and in recent memory, none at all.

I'm sorry that there are delays, but they will be shipped when they can be. If things work out, this coming weekend or sometime this coming week are looking very good for shipping the 6-7 packages I said I would. Harrassing me isn't going to help. Some of you are showing how childish you are when I have to go through my emails and delete at least 1-2 emails that are nothing more than cursing, harrassment and threats on a daily basis. (This isn't all of you, just some individuals, who never post here in a civil manner, but love to email me threats of physical harm on a daily basis, what does that achieve?)

I would also appreciate it if only individuals I owe minis to would post here, I don't need sttmxn's propaganda every 2-3 posts. He's just making it into something it's not.

-Lance

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08/26/2005 12:04 AM  
Lance:
I have tried to be civil and am still waiting for the gauth you promised as my replacement for what I sent you. You have to understand the frustartion though.

Give me more MIND FLAYERS!

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08/26/2005 12:10 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by arbados

Lance:
I have tried to be civil and am still waiting for the gauth you promised as my replacement for what I sent you. You have to understand the frustartion though.

Yeah, I know. Your gauth is in a box waiting to be shipped, it's just when I can ship it. (I've been so busy with the first week of school here that it's been near impossible to get to the post office) As I said, either this weekend or this coming week are looking very good. Thanks for being patient.

-Lance

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08/26/2005 12:16 AM  
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Originally posted by -Lance-



I would also appreciate it if only individuals I owe minis to would post here, I don't need sttmxn's propaganda every 2-3 posts. He's just making it into something it's not.

-Lance



You made it into a problem that going to drag into another month. It's really simple if you do the math.
1 box to ship=roughly about $2 with dc. How many people are still waiting for their figs, 7? 7 x 2=14. Can't afford $14 to complete your agreed upon trades?
Actually it is not propaganda what sttmxn is doing. I beleive it is doing the community a favor because you have not made good on your trades and from your ref list from dropping from everyday sight.

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08/26/2005 12:26 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by Krush

quote:
Originally posted by -Lance-



I would also appreciate it if only individuals I owe minis to would post here, I don't need sttmxn's propaganda every 2-3 posts. He's just making it into something it's not.

-Lance



You made it into a problem that going to drag into another month. It's really simple if you do the math.
1 box to ship=roughly about $2 with dc. How many people are still waiting for their figs, 7? 7 x 2=14. Can't afford $14 to complete your agreed upon trades?
Actually it is not propaganda what sttmxn is doing. I beleive it is doing the community a favor because you have not made good on your trades and from your ref list from dropping from everyday sight.

Yeah, I guess, if spreading lies and fueling the harrassment is doing the community a favor...

-Lance

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08/26/2005 12:40 AM  
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Yeah, I guess, if spreading lies and fueling the harrassment is doing the community a favor...

-Lance



And there is ONE sure-fire way to end it, -Lance-. A quick trip to the post office is all it takes. Make it a top priority, get it finished, get the monkey off your back. No more excuses.

And what's the "6 or 7" business? Aren't there more than a dozen people still owed minis? Brazenwood and dm5 are not on the list of 6 you gave TWO WEEKS ago!

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08/26/2005 12:47 AM  
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Originally posted by kyrinAnd there is ONE sure-fire way to end it, -Lance-. A quick trip to the post office is all it takes. Make it a top priority, get it finished, get the monkey off your back. No more excuses.

And what's the "6 or 7" business? Aren't there more than a dozen people still owed minis? Brazenwood and dm5 are not on the list of 6 you gave TWO WEEKS ago!

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I promised to ship 6-7 then once they are confirmed as having been recieved, ship the rest...I've had some obviously bad experiences shipping 10-15 packages at once.

-Lance

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08/26/2005 2:41 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by -Lance-

quote:
Originally posted by Krush

quote:
Originally posted by -Lance-



I would also appreciate it if only individuals I owe minis to would post here, I don't need sttmxn's propaganda every 2-3 posts. He's just making it into something it's not.

-Lance



You made it into a problem that going to drag into another month. It's really simple if you do the math.
1 box to ship=roughly about $2 with dc. How many people are still waiting for their figs, 7? 7 x 2=14. Can't afford $14 to complete your agreed upon trades?
Actually it is not propaganda what sttmxn is doing. I beleive it is doing the community a favor because you have not made good on your trades and from your ref list from dropping from everyday sight.

Yeah, I guess, if spreading lies and fueling the harrassment is doing the community a favor...

-Lance



Spreading lies...how so? Fueling what?
Your laziness is my view point. It shall be until this is complete, "this" meaning an end to your excuses and fulfilling your responsibilty.
The best part of all of this is that my kids have a future school report being written as it transpires. It's working title "Responsibilty and what it means to you."

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08/26/2005 4:06 AM  
Lies? Name one lie. Please. Everything is documented here. Please point out where I have lied.

Speaking of lies, you're now claiming that you don't want to ship 10-15 packages at once because you have "bad luck" with that number of packages? Are you now claiming that certain volumes of mail are the issue? Are you suddenly a numerologist? What happened to the whole money excuse? Oh yeah, that dried up when you were discovered blogging about your CD purchases.

-Lance-, no one here has any reason to buy your lies. 6 months into your charade, is it reasonable for anyone here to believe that you have a tidy stack of 15 packages of minis fully prepped in your bedroom that you earnestly wish you could find time to take to the post office?

If you had a lick of concern for the people you owe minis to, you'd deal with this. Your actions make it clear that you think the people here are a bunch of goats that you can just rob blind and jerk around.

I'm lying? I'll let my fellow Maxminis users judge for themselves. As for my "propaganda," I'm a member of this community, and your crimes affect the integrity of our trading environment. If you get away with this, who's next? You don't get to dictate who posts about your deception. You joined this free speech community, you stabbed it in the back, and now you have to live with the feedback.

As kyrin said, it is very easy to end this discussion: honor your word.

Still awaiting DCs.



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08/28/2005 11:50 AM  
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Ok here is my first trade here on maxminis, with Lance, so today April 7th 2005 I shipped 1 Blue Slaad, 1 Minotaure(gol), and 1 Lion Falcon Monk to Lance....and i expect back 2 Vrock and 1 Ettin Skirmisher.



As I never got news from -Lance- I supposed I'd lost my figs...4 months later i come back here and after i've read all the postings here...what can i add?

I will never again send first. Thank you -Lance-[:(!]

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08/28/2005 3:13 PM  
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As I never got news from -Lance- I supposed I'd lost my figs...4 months later i come back here and after i've read all the postings here...what can i add?

I will never again send first. Thank you -Lance-[:(!]



Added your name to the list of disputes.

We're now up to 14 again -Lance-, please make more of an effort to get these longstanding trades resolved.

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08/28/2005 8:42 PM  
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quote:
Originally posted by labete

Ok here is my first trade here on maxminis, with Lance, so today April 7th 2005 I shipped 1 Blue Slaad, 1 Minotaure(gol), and 1 Lion Falcon Monk to Lance....and i expect back 2 Vrock and 1 Ettin Skirmisher.



As I never got news from -Lance- I supposed I'd lost my figs...4 months later i come back here and after i've read all the postings here...what can i add?

I will never again send first. Thank you -Lance-[:(!]

I never recieved any miniatures from you, so I will not be reimbursing you seeing how nothing ever arrived...sounds like you're just trying to jump on the band wagon and get some free minis, or maybe the Postal Service screwed you like it screwed me.

-Lance

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08/28/2005 9:20 PM  
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Originally posted by -Lance-

quote:
Originally posted by labete

quote:
Originally posted by labete

Ok here is my first trade here on maxminis, with Lance, so today April 7th 2005 I shipped 1 Blue Slaad, 1 Minotaure(gol), and 1 Lion Falcon Monk to Lance....and i expect back 2 Vrock and 1 Ettin Skirmisher.



As I never got news from -Lance- I supposed I'd lost my figs...4 months later i come back here and after i've read all the postings here...what can i add?

I will never again send first. Thank you -Lance-[:(!]

I never recieved any miniatures from you, so I will not be reimbursing you seeing how nothing ever arrived...sounds like you're just trying to jump on the band wagon and get some free minis, or maybe the Postal Service screwed you like it screwed me.

-Lance



We don't believe you, "-Lance="

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08/28/2005 9:28 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex

quote:
Originally posted by -Lance-

quote:
Originally posted by labete

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Originally posted by labete

Ok here is my first trade here on maxminis, with Lance, so today April 7th 2005 I shipped 1 Blue Slaad, 1 Minotaure(gol), and 1 Lion Falcon Monk to Lance....and i expect back 2 Vrock and 1 Ettin Skirmisher.



As I never got news from -Lance- I supposed I'd lost my figs...4 months later i come back here and after i've read all the postings here...what can i add?

I will never again send first. Thank you -Lance-[:(!]

I never recieved any miniatures from you, so I will not be reimbursing you seeing how nothing ever arrived...sounds like you're just trying to jump on the band wagon and get some free minis, or maybe the Postal Service screwed you like it screwed me.

-Lance



We don't believe you, "-Lance="

You don't have to, either way I'm telling the truth, and whats the "-Lance-" thing supposed to mean?

-Lance

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08/28/2005 9:33 PM  
I sent this email to -Lance- on 8/22/05:

quote:

Hello -Lance-

You received the following message from: Corim Danex

At: http://www.maxminis.com/forums/

Have you read what I wrote on your reference thread?

Corim Danex



His reply:

quote:

--- Lance Wilson wrote:

Your entire argument is subjective, you assume everyone has as much time to mail things as you do. Plain and simply, I don't have time in my busy life to give priority to a bunch of (mainly) middle aged men whining about hunks of plastic. Things will be shipped when they can be, cash is not the issue. It's a matter of time. When I have the time, things will be shipped. The way things look, this Saturday is a real possibility. I've got the minis in boxes, with their stat cards in packing foam, addressed, all I need now is to find time to get to the post office. You can copy and paste this to maxminis if you wish.

-Lance



My response to his reply:

quote:


On 8/22/05, Corim Danex wrote:

Why would I copy and paste this there?

WHERE IS YOUR HONOR?!

If it's just hunks of plastic, why are they worth more
to you than your honor?

Corim Danex




And here is his mature response to that question sent to me on 8/23/05:

quote:

I don't know, I would assume people would want to know that Saturday is looking possible for shipping...I guess not.

Honor is a dead concept at best. Plus, even if it wasn't, honor has nothing to do with this. I have not stolen anything. I have not scammed anyone. I have not been malicious in my dealings with maxminis members. (Though they believe I have been) It's easy to make me out to be the culprit rather than the US Postal Service. It's also easy to say I'm still "playing" the victim, when in fact I am.

The only reason I'm even agreeing to reimburse users is because I have no ability to defend myself against Mail Fraud charges without delivery confirmation codes. My only regret is that I didn't ship everything with DC rather than just a few packages. This entire ordeal has turned me completely off of minis, not that it would have mattered if I still liked them in the first place, because once this is over, I'll have nothing left.

-Lance



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08/28/2005 9:34 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by -Lance-
and whats the "-Lance-" thing supposed to mean?



It means I have zero respect for you.

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