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04/19/2005 1:03 PM  
recovered topic 2574

"Games evolve. Otherwise we'd still be pushing rocks around the dirt. What do you think the cavemen said when some dude showed up with sticks?" - Chairman7w

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04/19/2005 1:03 PM  
Thanks for posting this resource!

I hope that as many of these as possible get resolved...

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04/19/2005 1:12 PM  
Thanks indeed, Lab Monkey!

May you subtract from this list FAR more than you add to it.

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04/19/2005 1:30 PM  
I also hope the list grows shorter with time. I suspect in many cases it will. Like I said, this isn't necessarily a bad trader list.

In all though, this is a very short list considering there have been over 12,000 maxminis trades!

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04/19/2005 3:24 PM  
It is good to have a list like this, as a resource to traders it's useful and will help many make wise decisions.

Thanks for putting the work in Lab Monkey, it's appreciated.

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04/19/2005 3:39 PM  
Some info inbound Lab.

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04/19/2005 4:59 PM  


Thanks for putting in the time and work Lab Monkey.

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04/19/2005 7:47 PM  
Thanks Lab Monkey![:D]

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04/19/2005 9:15 PM  
Moderators, please sticky this so it stays near the top. Be a shame for da Monkey's work to go unnoticed!

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04/20/2005 10:18 AM  
Um.... Bumpity-bump. Please to sticky please?

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04/20/2005 10:51 AM  
I received an email asking the following:

quote:
At what point does a trade become a disputed trade and qualify for the list? I have two trades that I am concerned about.


Here is my reply:

Well in making the disputed trades list, I didn't really want to make my self the arbitrator as to what is and what isn't a disputed trade.
Basically I'll post anything that someone wants to dispute in the "problem disputed trades thread". That way I'm doing by best to avoid
bias for or against any particular trader.

As to what constitutes a disputed trade, I'll offer you my opinion, but this is just my opinion.

Here are some things to consider:
1.) How long has it been since you agreed to a trade? For trades within the US, it shouldn't take longer than 2 to 3 weeks from the time
minis were sent to reach your doorstep. In my experience trades almost always arrive within 7-10 days of when they were sent.
International trades can take longer. I've had them range anywhere from 1 to 4 weeks from the date sent to arrive. If things are
getting beyond that time frame, then I would consider calling the trade disputed.

2.) How is the communication with the other trader? If you're receiving regular emails and he/she is trying to work with you to get
a trade resolved then I wouldn't post anything as disputed. If the person has disappeared and isn't responding to multiple emails over several
days then I would be worried and consider reporting it.

3.) Are there signs that other people are having similar problems with this person? If so, I'd probably report it sooner than later.

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04/20/2005 7:35 PM  
Bumpty-bump.

I'm not trying to pad my post count or anything. I just want to make sure this gets stickied before it gets lost in the shuffle. Helloooo, mods???

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04/20/2005 11:39 PM  
Bump(I'm not trying to pad my post count...really,I'm not![)])Sticky this thread please![:D]

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04/21/2005 12:03 AM  
Add me to disputed trades with -Lance too. I sent mine with DC. Been almost two weeks and nothing from him, and he doesn't respond to my emails.

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04/21/2005 11:53 AM  
The problem with BigMe was with me he was a first time trader and agreed to send first but I never recieved anything from him I also never got any email response from him after the first few weeks. I haven't seen him post here since our trade which was close to a year ago.

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04/21/2005 12:04 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Idzy

The problem with BigMe was with me he was a first time trader and agreed to send first but I never recieved anything from him I also never got any email response from him after the first few weeks. I haven't seen him post here since our trade which was close to a year ago.



I updated this information.

Darkfather has asked about this as well. In general, I'm inclined to leave trades up there that are very old and never resolved. I realize that BigME hasn't been back in a long time and probably never will be. There is always that chance of him returning, hoping that the statute of limitations has expired and that he can try to scam again. Thayil has certainly tried this.

However, I'll gladly delete any of the complaints if the 'plantiff' asks me to.

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04/21/2005 1:16 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey

quote:
Originally posted by Idzy

The problem with BigMe was with me he was a first time trader and agreed to send first but I never recieved anything from him I also never got any email response from him after the first few weeks. I haven't seen him post here since our trade which was close to a year ago.


Darkfather has asked about this as well. In general, I'm inclined to leave trades up there that are very old and never resolved. I realize that BigME hasn't been back in a long time and probably never will be. There is always that chance of him returning, hoping that the statute of limitations has expired and that he can try to scam again. Thayil has certainly tried this.



Thayil didn't just try. Under the guise of Datapwat, he managed to swindle again - this time the poor victim was Oyvind from Norway.




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04/22/2005 7:34 AM  
Seems like your heading is unclear. For example Lance is not have a problem with all those traders, they are having a problem with him. Same goes for Chaotic Good. I would hate for someone to look on this list, see one of the people on the list. And misinterprit who is having a problem with who.

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04/22/2005 9:19 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by arksorn

Seems like your heading is unclear. For example Lance is not have a problem with all those traders, they are having a problem with him. Same goes for Chaotic Good. I would hate for someone to look on this list, see one of the people on the list. And misinterprit who is having a problem with who.



I will adjust the headings. Any suggestions?

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04/22/2005 12:15 PM  
Please put that I have a problem trade with Son of
Cyric. He has let me know he has received his end.
He never shipped mine, according to last word from
him. He is not returning my emails now.

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04/22/2005 3:43 PM  
I also have a trade issue with Ironfist Boulderbender. We agreed on a trade in early Feb 04. I sent him a package on about 2/10/05 (give or take a day or two at most). It was my first trade on maxminis. I agreed to send first because of this. I didn't know about DC and didn't use it. He reports that he has never received package, and he also has never sent me anything. He has communicated with me about it on several occassions. I am putting this post here until the issue is resolved. I have since completed about 21 trades.

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04/23/2005 2:16 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by kyrin

Thanks indeed, Lab Monkey!

May you subtract from this list FAR more than you add to it.

JIM
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Let me add my thanks. This will be a great resource. Nice job to all involved.

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04/23/2005 6:47 PM  
I no longer have a disputed trade with Lance.

simage (you have me listed as sirmage)

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04/24/2005 3:08 AM  
Received my returned minis from -Lance- today. He has made good on the fall-through of the original trade. As such, I no longer have a disputed trade with -Lance-.




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04/24/2005 1:01 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by simage

I no longer have a disputed trade with Lance.

simage (you have me listed as sirmage)



Updated the information regarding Lance's completed trades. Sorry I messed you your handle simage.

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04/25/2005 3:07 PM  
Add me to the list of disputed with -Lance-. When and if I get stuff back I will ask to be removed.

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04/26/2005 3:35 PM  
I no longer have any dispute with -Lance-


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04/27/2005 12:44 PM  
Anybody heard from that putz, MackeyV lately? (Not to be confused with MackeyJ) I'm going to complain here: http://www.econsumer.gov/english/

I don't know if it'll do any good, but hopefully the fact that he stole so many minis from so many maxminis users will come back to bite him, eventually. I intend to use every inexpensive and legal means to ensure that it does. If any other of his victims have some ideas, please let me know.

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04/27/2005 12:51 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Faragdar the Wise

Anybody heard from that putz, MackeyV lately? (Not to be confused with MackeyJ) I'm going to complain here: http://www.econsumer.gov/english/

I don't know if it'll do any good, but hopefully the fact that he stole so many minis from so many maxminis users will come back to bite him, eventually. I intend to use every inexpensive and legal means to ensure that it does. If any other of his victims have some ideas, please let me know.



To my knowledge, none of his outstanding disputes have been resolved (despite his promises to the contrary). Best of luck.

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04/28/2005 7:08 AM  
Morning,

I would like to add to the list of problem trades with Chaotic Good.
My timeline...

4/9: he made an offer from my trade post that I accepted.
4/11: I ship with DC and email the shipment information.
4/15: Delivery is confirmed via USPS.
4/16: email to CG asking him to confirm delivery
4/19: email to CG asking him to again confirm delivery and provide shipping info from his end.
4/22: A third email to CG regarding trade.

There has been no reponse since I shipped.
Given his current list of problem trades, a lack of response on the boards, I believe I need to be added to the list.

I genuinely hope that this job has him that busy.
I am currenting seeking to find alternate contact methods for him.

Thanks.

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04/29/2005 8:51 AM  
Lab Monkey,

please remove my name from the list from Chaotic Good's problem trades. I assume I was put there as a result of my recent post to his personal trading thread? This was just an attempt to communicate with him, as other means are not working, not to complain.

At this stage, I do not consider this trade to be in "trouble" or CG to be a "problem trader". I am going to give it/him one more week-- a month after we agreed to the trade-- to communicate with me if he has shipped my parcel or when he will ship it. At this point if there is still silence, I'll request my name to be added.

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04/29/2005 8:55 AM  
Bonelock,

I'm very sorry about that. You are correct, it was based on your post on CG's reference thread. I'll remove it immediately.

[Edit: done. Again sorry for the my mis-interpretation of your post.]

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04/29/2005 9:04 AM  
Lab Monkey,

no problem. I do appreciate the work that you are doing to maintain this thread.

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05/04/2005 4:08 AM  
Lab Monkey,

Please add me to the CG-problem traders. I have an unresolved trade with CG since December. As it is also difficult communicating with him at the moment, I guess you could say it is a problem trade. I have not complained about it until now, because I'm confident CG will fix things eventually. Still, I would regret it if my (problem)trade would be forgotten between all the other bitching&whinig.

BTW, thanks for doing this.

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05/04/2005 8:11 PM  
For those who have given up hope on ever receiving from problem traders and want to file mail fraud charges, here's a link:

http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/

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05/05/2005 10:33 AM  
Lab Monkey, please stick my name on the list of traders having issues with a Chaotic Good trade. I hate to do this, as I have had many successful trades with CG in the past. Indeed, I am listed as one of his favorite traders. However a month has gone by and I have not received what he agreed to send me or any communication as to why there has been a delay.

I am sure CG will come thru one way or an other-- his past actions support this. However, there does seem to be a pattern here where his trades are plagued with with similar themes: lost packages, stolen packages, lost email, no communication etc. and then cleans them up. Sadly, I would have rather not had the trade in the first place if it was going to take an extra ordinary time to get my end of the trade.

CG has a lot of outstanding trades with issues right now, more than 24. As a pillar of this community, I do hope he rectifies all these situations.


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05/10/2005 4:50 PM  
It's so much nicer to be able to browse through the handful of disputed traders than to scan through thousands of good ones.

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05/10/2005 8:00 PM  
May as well put a "x2" next to my name with CG....

I really hope everything is ok, and this is just a HUGE missunderstanding, but it definitely isn't looking good.

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05/11/2005 1:21 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by abyssaljuggler

It's so much nicer to be able to browse through the handful of disputed traders than to scan through thousands of good ones.




Thanks! That's exactly why I compiled the list.

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05/13/2005 9:23 PM  
Good job Keeping the list updated,Lab Monkey![:D]
I noticed 2 minor errors I thought I should mention

Decten is supposed to be deckten
Perplexerblue1 is supposed to be Pexeterblue1

It probably doesn't matter since we'll probably never see either of them again...

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