Zardnaar Sergeant
 522 Posts




 | | 07/25/2005 6:12 AM |
| CG was my 1st and only trade in January. Lost 7 Harbinger rares. I shut up for a while as I though no one would believe me and I figured there was a holdup in the mail as things have taken 6 weeks before from NZ to the USA. After 8 weeks (2 weeks to get there, 6 weeks back I figured) CG said he posted again and I gave him another 6 weeks. Then the poo hit the fan here at Maxminis. I've given up. Last week I started my 1st trade thread in the trades section but I think I'll find it tough to trade as I'm still more or less a 1st time trader who isn't willing to post 1st. I don't initiate any trades but my treads there for anyone interested. Currently negotiating a couple of trades.
Darkfather assuming I don't get ripped off I'll have some spare Angelfire and Deathknell soon. Once (if) they arrive I'll send you a email and I can give you some minis- I live across the ditch in NZ and you got ripped off the worst from the look of things. | | Trades: dj-chuckles (complete) Sales: Kestral.ca Bad Trade: Chaotic Good | |
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bonelock Underboss
 1268 Posts




 | | 07/25/2005 9:06 AM |
| quote: Originally posted by Darkfather
quote: Originally posted by bonelock
quote: Originally posted by Darkfather
**IMPORTANT INFORMATION**
Heya Guys;
It seems CG is alive and well!!!!
This is all the information I have at this time. I will endeavor to obtain more information as fast as possible.
If CG is alive why not let him post here himself?
*EDIT* Can't we let this die already... he almost turned me and a couple other members off trading for good.
?????
Don't shoot the messenger dude.. please.
I thought I was posting important information that other's may wish to know about. I wasn't doing this for CG's benefit, no way no how.
As far as you being one of the members 'nearly' pushed to never trading again..... I AM NOT TRADING AGAIN, thanks to CG's actions.
Thought I had some information that may have been deemed in the very least interesting if not important to others, sorry I bothered.
DF
DF, sorry if my post offended you. Not my intention. Everytime I think about how CG betrayed so many traders, the damage he did to the community and yet how he sees himself as the victim it makes my blood boil.
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Darkfather Commander
 3466 Posts



 Queensland, Australia
 | | 07/25/2005 9:15 AM |
| quote: Originally posted by bonelock
DF, sorry if my post offended you. Not my intention. Everytime I think about how CG betrayed so many traders, the damage he did to the community and yet how he sees himself as the victim it makes my blood boil.
bone
Heya Bonelock;
Appology happily accepted dude. I also feel your anger/pain at what he has managed to do to this community. Your 'response' to my post just threw me, is all. Sorry I misinterpreted your reply.
DF
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Knight of the Round Table Thenameless Warlord
 11722 Posts



 The Fortress of Solitude
 | | 07/25/2005 9:28 PM |
| DF,
I appreciate your posting of the information on CG. When the rest of my Angelfire comes in, maybe we can work out a trade. I would be honoured to send first to you.
Joe | | Over 270 successful online DDM trades. | |
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Darkfather Commander
 3466 Posts



 Queensland, Australia
 | | 07/25/2005 11:42 PM |
| **Off Topic, but needed to be said**
I would like to thank all of those people who have offered me possible trades (both on the forums and via email).
At this point in time however, my 'want' to trade just isn't there. If I were to organise any trades, I would be just going through the motions, there would be no emotions involved, and I am not that sort of person. (I get excited when I trade, very childlike I know, but I enjoy the 'hunt/capture' of the minis I don't have. Well I did anyways.)
Also, my not trading also encompasses the fact that I am not purchasing any Angelfire. Maybe in the distant future, but not at this time.
Again, thankyou to all who have made 'the first move', but I respectively decline all offers at this time.
Thankyou
Darkfather
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Dahak Warrior
 202 Posts




 | | 07/26/2005 7:28 AM |
| CG still owes me a Huge Gold Dragon and a Large Red
He confirmed recieving my side [promo's including Bronze Wyrmlings] on 12 March.
Haven't heard from him since.
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bonelock Underboss
 1268 Posts




 | | 07/26/2005 10:30 AM |
| quote: Originally posted by Dahak
CG still owes me a Huge Gold Dragon and a Large Red
He confirmed recieving my side [promo's including Bronze Wyrmlings] on 12 March.
Haven't heard from him since.
He made quite a bit of coin and mini's off those promos. I wonder if those that paid got their bronze wyrms? I think some of the bids were up in the hundreds of dollars. That would certainly give even more weight to the legal case(s) against CG.
That sucks (to say the least) that he never honored his trade with you. I feel your pain. | |
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johnboy069 Sneak
 61 Posts



 Madison,IN
 | | 07/27/2005 12:02 PM |
| I apologize if my previous post gave anybody false hope. I was exploring that site looking for some stats from Angelfire, and noticed his name. Darkfather, thank you for the info, and I am sorry that you have been put off of trading. If my issues with CG and -Lance- go unresolved, I to will be put off trading. If this happens, it will make 3 times that I have been burned (the first was on Wizards' site with someone named Katsumoto and was my LSD for his HEBI). | | "Of all the things I that I have lost, I miss my mind the most." -Ozzy Osbourne
"Reality is nothing more than a dream." -my little brother
Completed Trades: Bassman x4, Ghendar, Olrak, Gauss, Diomedes, Seraphix8, -Lance- Trades Pending: Nixlord and Chaotic Good
my h/w list: http://www.maxminis.com/hwlist.asp?user=johnboy069
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ilarue Underboss
 1259 Posts




 | | 07/29/2005 8:09 AM |
| | Not positive this should go, here, but since it involves the same family I'll post it here. The Banished (formerly Chaotic Good Jr, i.e. Cha0tic G0od's son) and I agreed to trade his Warforged Titan for my Vampire Aristocrat and Minotaur Skeleton on January 18th. On January 24th The Banished reported that he had received. On February 14th, I was told that he did not get the Titan in the mail due to his accident, and that he would be sending it shortly. I told him to take his time and recover, but I've yet to get it (not that I expect to anymore), and neither he nor Cha0tic G0od are responding to my e-mails. | | Quis custodiet ipsos custodes--Who will gaurd the guards? Champion of the Commoner Mob Leader | |
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Kaya Kenobi Underboss
 1304 Posts



 San Jose, California
 | | 07/30/2005 3:19 AM |
| I'm adding my dispute from January-March with CG:
Kaya sends:
Troll Vandania clay golem Orc Champ
Cg sends:
Ice troll x2 WF Hero Frenzied Berserker
Never got my end, and I was iffy on putting this up because of the dealings I had in the past with him (4 other trades).. Sad how he hated people ripping off his son, then he does it himself to a bunch of people here. | | Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley! I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else. http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
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 dj-chuckles Underboss
 2455 Posts



 The State that invented Spam!
 | | 08/03/2005 1:48 PM |
| I still would like Chaotic Good's old and possibly new home address.. I am filing mail fraud charges so I can at least feel better about it.
Please email the addys to me please. | |
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Kaya Kenobi Underboss
 1304 Posts



 San Jose, California
 | | 08/03/2005 6:37 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by dj-chuckles
I still would like Chaotic Good's old and possibly new home address.. I am filing mail fraud charges so I can at least feel better about it.
Please email the addys to me please.
He moved? Now that I did not know, but I will find out.. I have his older address and I will be doing the same. I'm out a hundred bucks on my end alone, so it bothers me a little bit. | | Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley! I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else. http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
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Darkfather Commander
 3466 Posts



 Queensland, Australia
 | | 08/03/2005 9:07 PM |
| I have his 'old' info if anyone needs it. I had no idea he had moved. I knew he was contemplating it a while back though...
Figures... hit and run.....
DF
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Do Urden Skirmisher
 6 Posts




 | | 08/04/2005 3:29 PM |
| Reading through all these posts I think I know who this guy is as he was in our gaming group but disappeared for a while. I am from central new york as is "Chaotic good".
Last we heard from him he was going through court. He is not in our group any more and after reading all this I will be sure he isn't.
If I see or hear from him through our gaming store I will post here.
Ho0pe this helps you guys. | | Still to nervous to trade on-line. Any one from central New York please email me so we can set up some trades face to face. | |
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gausse Sergeant
 961 Posts



 Wisconsin
 | | 08/04/2005 11:04 PM |
| Interesting, not sure if it is him or not. It is an older post but interesting:
http://www.nanews.org/archive/1997/nanews05.043
quote:
I am reprinting an article written by Strongbow Lone Eagle who is in a Connecticut prison. Replies may be sent to my e-mail address and will be forwarded to LoneEagle. Postings in reply will also be printed and forwarded to him. TROUBLE BEHIND THESE WALLS: THE STATE OF NATIVE SPIRITUALITY IN CONNECTICUT PRISONS. WRITTEN BY STRONGBOW LONE EAGLE
| | 270+ Trades Completed (194 maxminis | 50 wizards | 29 hordelings) References: http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/view/topic/forumid/53/postid/435268/Default.aspx H/W List: http://www.maxminis.com/hwlist.asp?user=gausse Bad Trades: Chaotic Good (Strongbow Lone Eagle), dndonuts, Allard, ScottWallace Email: gausse2@yahoo.com
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bonelock Underboss
 1268 Posts




 | | 08/04/2005 11:34 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by gausse
Interesting, not sure if it is him or not. It is an older post but interesting:
http://www.nanews.org/archive/1997/nanews05.043
quote:
I am reprinting an article written by Strongbow Lone Eagle who is in a Connecticut prison. Replies may be sent to my e-mail address and will be forwarded to LoneEagle. Postings in reply will also be printed and forwarded to him. TROUBLE BEHIND THESE WALLS: THE STATE OF NATIVE SPIRITUALITY IN CONNECTICUT PRISONS. WRITTEN BY STRONGBOW LONE EAGLE
Interesting find Gausse but I don't think its' our CG. Firstly, I don't think SLE was CG's real name. Also, the writing style is very different-- CG has a distinctive use of grammar and spelling. Granted, the original could be heavily edited. | |
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Idzy Commander
 3082 Posts



 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
 | | 08/05/2005 12:53 AM |
| has anyone else noticed that Do Urden's homepage looks an awful lot like CGs forum?
I don't want to chase him away but it does seem a little suspicous. | | Champion of Champions (for all races! even Gnomes ) Reference Thread Winnipeg Gryphon Cavalry Forums
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Iconomancer bassman2972 Underboss
 1675 Posts



 The ville IN. AKA Hell on earth
 | | 08/05/2005 1:25 AM |
| quote: Originally posted by Idzy
has anyone else noticed that Do Urden's homepage looks an awful lot like CGs forum?
I don't want to chase him away but it does seem a little suspicous.
I was just saying the same thing to Krush on YIM.
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Knight of Argenis Corim Danex Warlord
 6809 Posts



 West Valley City, Utah
 | | 08/05/2005 3:21 AM |
| What doesn't make sense to me is that Do Urden's signature here says something about still being nervous about online trading, but then there is a whole website that he seems to be the only one participating in, and there is not a trace of nervousness to be noticed in the grand h/w list.
quote: Originally posted by bassman2972
quote: Originally posted by Idzy
has anyone else noticed that Do Urden's homepage looks an awful lot like CGs forum?
I don't want to chase him away but it does seem a little suspicous.
I was just saying the same thing to Krush on YIM.
| | "Look to God and live." Alma 37:47 Vindicated Champ of Hippogriff (Arcadian Hippogriff) and Uncommon Horse | |
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Darkfather Commander
 3466 Posts



 Queensland, Australia
 | | 08/05/2005 6:41 AM |
| I m finding something hard to swallow also....
From Do 'Urden's homepage...
quote:
Stat cards needed:
Large Earth Elemental Centuar Dire Boar
I am almost 100% certain that I saw those exact same items being sought by CG not too long ago....
DF
[EDIT] Strange... (Could be coincidental)
1) Do Urden's membership on maxminis started on 25th July this year (1 day before mine and CG's 'supposed' birthday). 2) Same spelling errors as CG makes (eg: centuar) 3) "Trade on!" - I recieved this line from CG in emails to numerous times to mention. 4) Do Urden's website VERY MUCH like that of CG's last incarnation of his forum. (Same software also)
Hmmm... for the sake of the community, I am alerting MerricB to our new member. If there is nothing to be worried about, then he shouldn't mind.
DF [/EDIT]
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The Great Choco Monster Ghendar Warlord
 12440 Posts



 The G Spot
 | | 08/05/2005 7:38 AM |
| quote: Originally posted by Idzy
has anyone else noticed that Do Urden's homepage looks an awful lot like CGs forum?
I don't want to chase him away but it does seem a little suspicous.
I noticed as well. I am sooooo freakin' disgusted right about now. | | WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220 G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
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bonelock Underboss
 1268 Posts




 | | 08/05/2005 9:03 AM |
| quote: Originally posted by Ghendar
quote: Originally posted by Idzy
has anyone else noticed that Do Urden's homepage looks an awful lot like CGs forum?
I don't want to chase him away but it does seem a little suspicous.
I noticed as well. I am sooooo freakin' disgusted right about now.
If it is him (and I would say to many similarities not to be) that makes me SICK! Like we wouldn't notice!? What an insult to our intelligence! | |
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 Lab Monkey Commander
 4136 Posts




 | | 08/05/2005 10:11 AM |
| quote: Originally posted by Idzy
has anyone else noticed that Do Urden's homepage looks an awful lot like CGs forum?
I don't want to chase him away but it does seem a little suspicous.
Wow. I mean wow.
The similarity is rather remarkable. | | Have: Cat; Want: Storm Giant Champion of Anything Dragonlance Before trading, please check the Disputed Trades Thread | |
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Idzy Commander
 3082 Posts



 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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 Lab Monkey Commander
 4136 Posts




 | | 08/05/2005 7:26 PM |
| Some quotes from Do Urden's homepage: quote: We got real tired of all the rules and regulations of the other sites, favortisms and the like and we wanted to be able to have some real fun.
How can you get tired of the rules when you have only 4 maxminis posts, have been a member for 11 days, and have 0 maxminis trades? quote: Here we can have fun and not worry about big brother hovering over us.
There's also an extensive have/want list.
Yet in Do Urden's Maxminis sig we have this: quote: Still to nervous to trade on-line.
Why would someone nervous to trade online want less oversight and list an extensive have/want list? Something doesn't quite add up. | | Have: Cat; Want: Storm Giant Champion of Anything Dragonlance Before trading, please check the Disputed Trades Thread | |
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Warflail Warrior
 178 Posts




 | | 08/06/2005 3:40 AM |
| *eyeroll*
He even wants to trade face to face in *gasp* New York state. It's totally him. | | Tradelist: http://www.maxminis.com/hwlist.asp?user=warflail | |
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griffrat Commander
 3506 Posts




 | | 08/06/2005 6:24 AM |
| quote: Originally posted by Warflail
*eyeroll*
He even wants to trade face to face in *gasp* New York state. It's totally him.
Central New York state.... | | Ambassador of FUN!!! | |
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kestrel.ca Underboss
 1684 Posts




 | | 08/06/2005 11:31 AM |
| | What I find suspicious, is that this is starting to look like the Thayil/Datapwat problem. "Oh, yeah, I think I know the guy. Yeah, he's bad news. I agree with you, so therefore it can't be me. Wanna trade?" [eyes] | |
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Kaya Kenobi Underboss
 1304 Posts



 San Jose, California
 | | 08/06/2005 5:16 PM |
| Actually, Strongbow Lone Eagle is his name. He is the one and the same. First Time I traded with him I asked him about it. And when I did a phone number lookup, it came back with that name on it. So I wouldn't doubt it if he was in prison. However, that's nothing, considering other things.
Oh yeah, CG, if you're reading this, I have initiated a fraud investigation on you through the USPS. All I want are the hundred dollars in minis I gave you, or the few minis you're supposed to have traded with me. | | Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley! I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else. http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
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lindair Sneak
 154 Posts




 | | 08/06/2005 10:06 PM |
| I'm wondering. Those that have made mail fraud complaints. What was come of them?
| | Cleveland, Ohio H/W list http://www.maxminis.com/hwlist.asp?user=lindair
Reference Thread http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6808 | |
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Kaya Kenobi Underboss
 1304 Posts



 San Jose, California
 | | 08/06/2005 10:36 PM |
| | not sure... it could take up to a year for a complaint to be fully investigated and charges, if any, to be brought up. | | Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley! I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else. http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
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Darastrix Maekrix dariustad Warlord
 6322 Posts




 | | 08/07/2005 1:24 PM |
| | Anyone else think the use of the typo, "Ho0pe," was just too obvious? Most people correct such things before posting.... | | Trade & talk in real time on IRC! SERVER: irc.psionics.net CHANNEL: #maxminis SOFTWARE: PC | PC (free) | MAC
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ktatroe Sergeant
 572 Posts




 | | 08/07/2005 1:27 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by dariustad
Anyone else think the use of the typo, "Ho0pe," was just too obvious? Most people correct such things before posting....
If only we knew of a scammer who didn't typically notice/correct such typos before posting... [:)]
| | H/W: http://www.hordelings.com/frontend/profiles/profile.php?user=ktatroe | |
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The Mighty jai Commander
 3235 Posts



 | | 08/07/2005 1:28 PM |
| Anyone think that this isn't a Thayil/Datapwat problem but the Thayil/Datapwat problem is a Kong/CG problem and is now coming full circle?
I may be negative and bitter, but it is just a thought. | | | |
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gausse Sergeant
 961 Posts



 Wisconsin
 | | 08/07/2005 10:21 PM |
| | Another intesting item. Do Urden's Avatar tagline is The Lonesome Drow. And CG's legal middle name is Lone. Hmmm. | | 270+ Trades Completed (194 maxminis | 50 wizards | 29 hordelings) References: http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/view/topic/forumid/53/postid/435268/Default.aspx H/W List: http://www.maxminis.com/hwlist.asp?user=gausse Bad Trades: Chaotic Good (Strongbow Lone Eagle), dndonuts, Allard, ScottWallace Email: gausse2@yahoo.com
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 Lab Monkey Commander
 4136 Posts




 | | 08/08/2005 1:15 AM |
| Cha0tic G0od has now been banned from Hordelings as well:
http://www.hordelings.com/news/postView.php?post_id=1659&display=thread#
| | Have: Cat; Want: Storm Giant Champion of Anything Dragonlance Before trading, please check the Disputed Trades Thread | |
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Kaya Kenobi Underboss
 1304 Posts



 San Jose, California
 | | 08/08/2005 1:45 AM |
| Well they just said it:
He'll just make a new ID and scam again. That's why banning won't work. They need to have people track him down. | | Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley! I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else. http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
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Warflail Warrior
 178 Posts




 | | 08/08/2005 5:43 AM |
| Well, what can one do, really?
He's burned all his bridges on the major trading sites. And since he seems either too lazy, too stupid, or is simply incapable of changing his flavor (regardless of his current username), he'll likely keep getting spotted.
In a way, the worst shame of it is that he's contributing to negative Native American stereotypes. Lazy thieving redskins, etc etc.
PLEASE NOTE! SERIOUSLY! that I'm not saying that NAs are lazy or thieves. I'm a student of history and know full well that that particular (very old and bad and stupid) stereotype is frankly full of shit. All I'm saying is that many people are NOT students of history. Many people have had ZERO contact with NAs. So it really is NOT good that their first experience with any NA reinforces stupid stereotypes involving thievery. The fact that he's also got the audacity to say ANYTHING about NA rights, any time, ever, while doing so, disgusts me. Assuming the guy who wrote that article is the same person in question.
Honestly? SHAME on him. Sadly, shame has little effect on some people. | | Tradelist: http://www.maxminis.com/hwlist.asp?user=warflail | |
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Kaya Kenobi Underboss
 1304 Posts



 San Jose, California
 | | 08/08/2005 9:12 AM |
| | Yeah... I'm a Cherokee, and I don't care much for him doing what he did, but that's just me. | | Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley! I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else. http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
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Zardnaar Sergeant
 522 Posts




 | | 08/09/2005 5:09 AM |
| | Any more info about this Do Urden poster? Some to watch I take it? | | Trades: dj-chuckles (complete) Sales: Kestral.ca Bad Trade: Chaotic Good | |
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