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04/07/2007 11:16 PM  

As mentioned in the eBay Bad Seller thread jotoge_games ( fantasy_quest_dist ) has caused some particular issues for buyers on eBay. The username has changed, but you know what they say about leapords and spots.

jotoge_games, or Geri Lou ( if thats his/her real name? ) of Sherman, Texas ( Ph: (903) 868-1488 ) appears to operate in a very similar fashion each time he/she registers an eBay account - that is - auction off lots of miniatures, do the right thing and send them as per normal, once the feedback is satisfactory, lists a massive lot over two weeks none of which are ever shipped. He/She disappears for a month or so and then reappears under a new eBay User ID to begin the cycle again, claiming some kind of exotic illness to any previous customers who might recognise him/her.

In the past month jotoge_games has recieved 220 articles of negative feedback, this figure will no doubt expand in the comming weeks.

I'd advise anyone who has dealt with this eBay user recently to file a PayPal claim and raise a dispute if time still permits you.


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04/08/2007 8:03 AM  
how long do paypal claims usually take and how were the results the firs time she did his

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04/09/2007 8:05 PM  
my dispute is already started.

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04/13/2007 6:32 PM  
realmaster,

Let me know how it works out

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04/14/2007 12:15 AM  
jotoge_games are now "not a registered user" so that is not good.

I started my dispute on 3-13-07 and did not hear from them so I escalated it to a claim on 3-29-07 and they still have not responded to me or paypal. paypal says "We will make every effort to resolve this claim within 30 days although we may require additional time to complete our investigation" so we will see. I will definitely post the outcome.

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04/14/2007 6:41 AM  
realmaster,

Damn. I opened my dispute on 3rd April and escalated it to a claim on 5th April. It was a bastard they were NARU'd. I'd spent a good hour coming up with a list of creative, negative feedback articles but when I went to post them... eBay had already swept it under the rug. Feel free to apply these as and to whom you deem fit:

This seller is a chaotic purveyor of broken promises… and shattered dreams!
This was a horrible transaction. I cannot believe the smell.
The sanctity of this transaction was fouled from the very beginning!
Disgusting, I have never been so terrified. Unscrupulous sneak thievery!
A transaction I’d sooner forget with an awful, satanic seller. I am scared
No further business with this user. A repugnant experience, no items arrived!
I’d sooner sleep with a junkie before dealing with this seller again.
Bad transaction, I’d rather a pulpotomy performed with a nail.
I feel sick: Unheralded and shameless thievery. A heartless criminal!
No items arrived. This seller has little respect for people and less for life.
7 weeks, no items from a foul-mouthed seller unwilling to co-operate.
A criminal… disgusting and tragic. 7 weeks, no items and no e-mail.
Unresponsive to e-mail, this cunning thief should be stricken from eBay.
Ridiculous! No items and about as friendly as crack dealer. Avoid.
Seller is a hideous, rogue-trader – an immoral thief. Terrible for eBay.
jotoge_games dramatically diminishes the buyer experience. Horrible.
I would trade with the Taliban before this seller. Avoid.
This rogue seller is an insult to humanity and torments innocent eBayers.

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04/14/2007 8:01 AM  
"I would trade with the Taliban before thsi seller.  Avoid."

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04/16/2007 5:59 AM  
In all honesty, why are people still dealing with this POS?

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04/16/2007 10:23 PM  
Posted By Ghendar on 04/16/2007 5:59 AM
In all honesty, why are people still dealing with this POS?

because to be honest with you, this is the first problem that I have had with this seller. even when they were selling under previous user id's on ebay. but it only takes one time for a seller sticking it to me and I will not buy from them again.

I really think that ebay needs to have an ignore list for the buyers. after all they are making money from us as well.

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04/17/2007 5:17 AM  
I bought from him once and it was a flawless transaction. However, after hearing about the problems that others have had with him, I decided never to deal with him again for fear of exactly what happened to you realmaster. I figured it was only a matter of time before I ran into problems with him just like others had.

So, for me anyway, even if I don't have a problem with a seller I still listen to what is going on among my peers. It's the history of problems that the seller has that worries me and stops me from buying.

I'm not trying to tell anyone who they should or should not deal with. That's a matter of individual choice. However, this seller has well documented problems mentioned on Maxminis. Not a one time goof, but many, many issues. Some people choose to ignore such warnings because they themselves have never had a problem with a seller and that is their right. I don't have a problem with that. I, however, choose to heed such warnings.

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04/17/2007 9:13 PM  
thats cool, I just wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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04/21/2007 11:46 AM  
I received an email from paypal today saying "A partial refund has been initiated. It may take up to 5 business days to appear in your account. Thank you for your cooperation. Sincerely, Protection Services Department" so we will see if I get the whole amount or if I have to take the next step.

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05/01/2007 6:07 AM  
i recieved a partial refund notice but in fact got my whole refund. nver did hear from the seller. I wonder if paypal will their money back. lesson learned.

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05/01/2007 8:45 PM  
well I have not seen any funds returned yet and I even asked paypal about this and received no response so the next step will be started soon.

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05/02/2007 3:44 AM  
I had a problem with him too. Wait 10 weeks before opening the threat with paypal.. In the meanwhile I sent 4 email to that bastard and got no answer. After 2 weeks of the opening threats I escalated it into a claim. Paypal refund me about 4 weeks after in whole even if they wrote that a partial refund was allow.

Signature... What is that ??? Ah yes its the thing we put below our post that almost no one take the time to read... At least that I dont take the time to read. Oh damn I wrote too much and now I have no more place for signature... Maybe next time...

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05/02/2007 8:48 PM  
I finally received an email from paypal and they said that they have returned the funds to my credit card but I do not see it yet so I will give them the usual 5 day processing time.

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05/03/2007 1:03 PM  
check your paypal account to see if the credit is there. i had to transfer from my paypal account to my checking . money was there at same time of email.

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05/03/2007 9:40 PM  
Posted By wicked cool on 05/03/2007 1:03 PM
check your paypal account to see if the credit is there. i had to transfer from my paypal account to my checking . money was there at same time of email.

I am checking every day on both the paypal site and my financial site. so far nothing

*edit* 5-5-07

well the refund finally showed up on my credit card today.

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05/05/2007 4:32 PM  
In all honesty, why are people still dealing with this POS?


well if we had a bad trader/seller list like i suggested then everyone would know about these scum bags but it was shot down like mad so be preparded to keep seeing the same people scam and scam again

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05/09/2007 8:24 AM  
Again...sigh.

Those citing the pattern of behavior are pretty much spot on. I have dealt with the seller a number of times and in the aggregate have gotten a good value on my bucks. I too felt the sting of "missing or infinitely delayed items" but usually avoided any sizeable order once they had been in operation for a while. My take was that the seller kept getting over their head in offerings and once they fell behind would say screw it. I base this on some purchases and the notes and scribbles on their sheets, which seem to indicate that they had x-1 or x-2 of a promised mini, and then got some from newer cases to fill old orders. But that meant their expected minis on average from the new cases that they had sold would not be there for the next buyer. Kinda like a pyramid scheme for selling future minis.

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05/23/2007 8:56 AM  
Looks like I got out just in time. I had a few dealings with this seller and was quite happy with their service until a single "blip".  I had won an auction for 2 rare Star Wars figs, mostly by accident but at a decent price.  I didn't have anything else to add in, so asked if I could hold off paying until I could win some extra figures to offset the shipping. No issues from the seller, and a couple weeks later I had amassed enough wins to make it all work.  That is when things got screwy.  The initial auction for the two rares "disappeared" from eBay.  Gone.  Invalid auction.  When I asked the  seller about it, no response.

Fine, I paid up and waited for the figures.  They arrived in good shape and reasonably quickly, but I haven't purchased from jotoge since.  Just a bad vibe more than anything else...

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05/29/2007 1:27 PM  
Posted By Wolfgang on 05/05/2007 4:32 PM
In all honesty, why are people still dealing with this POS?


well if we had a bad trader/seller list like i suggested then everyone would know about these scum bags but it was shot down like mad so be preparded to keep seeing the same people scam and scam again

We do have a bad seller list of sorts right here
http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/54/postid/438565/view/topic/tpage/1/Default.aspx

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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
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