| | You are not authorized to post a reply. |
| | Author | Messages | |
TKort Sergeant
 583 Posts




 | | 10/13/2005 12:35 AM |
| | recovered topic 9810 | | | |
| TKort Sergeant
 583 Posts




 | | 10/13/2005 12:35 AM |
| Not to be argumentative but stating the faction makes a lot of sense to me.. it makes going back and watching a players' matches with a particular warlord a lot easier.. it's up to you guys but IMHO:
wk#-Player1-Player2 Works a bit better
So:
39-TkortLG-ZippyLE 39-TkortCG-ZippyCG
(those are both actual matches this week :))
Tkort.
| | | |
| Aravis Underboss
 1155 Posts




 | | 10/13/2005 12:36 AM |
| quote: Originally posted by TKort
Not to be argumentative but stating the faction makes a lot of sense to me.. it makes going back and watching a players' matches with a particular warlord a lot easier.. it's up to you guys but IMHO:
wk#-Player1-Player2 Works a bit better
So:
39-TkortLG-ZippyLE 39-TkortCG-ZippyCG
(those are both actual matches this week :))
Tkort.
I agree with that.. | | Welcome to Eternal Crack... "Corn is no place for a mighty warrior!" Champion of the Frost Salamander | |
| oldcoast Sergeant
 394 Posts




 | | 10/13/2005 2:16 AM |
| Yeah thats fine, just trying to make easy on you guys, I was not thinking about the same people playing more than one game in the same week, so yeah add factions. thanks
| | Check out The Old Coast my online Greyhawk campaign featuring all maxmini's members!, and.........Champion of Aspect of Zuggtmoy | |
| SilentG Sergeant
 616 Posts




 | | 10/15/2005 2:12 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by oldcoast
Locked Rooms: DO NOT lock the room in any official match. If we see official games going on in locked room, that game will be subject to disqualification. Feel free to lock your room in any non-EC match.
I'm not so sure of this. The requirement of a log should prevent any conspiracy going on behind locked doors. The only reason I feel inclined to lock the room occaisionally is because I've seen people private message strategy suggestions to players on vassal. Once a strategy suggestion was PMd to me during an ec game, another time a suggestion was PMd to me but the sender had mistaken my band for my opponent's.
There is no way to prevent this besides the honor system and locking rooms. I only trust one of those. | | Completed trades: Zarnof, Ehren37, Eric is God, griffrat, cavedweller, Kyrinn, Blade, Humble Minion, Noghri, Ilarue
Reference thread http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9114
Champion of the fiendish, dire milk-cow | |
| The Defenestrator AesophDarkfable Warlord
 5628 Posts




 | | 10/15/2005 2:24 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by SilentG
quote: Originally posted by oldcoast
Locked Rooms: DO NOT lock the room in any official match. If we see official games going on in locked room, that game will be subject to disqualification. Feel free to lock your room in any non-EC match.
I'm not so sure of this. The requirement of a log should prevent any conspiracy going on behind locked doors. The only reason I feel inclined to lock the room occaisionally is because I've seen people private message strategy suggestions to players on vassal. Once a strategy suggestion was PMd to me during an ec game, another time a suggestion was PMd to me but the sender had mistaken my band for my opponent's.
There is no way to prevent this besides the honor system and locking rooms. I only trust one of those.
Report the person. That shouldnt happen. | | Im out- find me on Hordelings if you want to chat. | |
| oldcoast Sergeant
 394 Posts




 | | 10/15/2005 6:19 PM |
| RE: Locked Rooms
I lock rooms all the time when I am practicing or working on a band or testing map that's not public etc.etc. I never do it during an EC match nor would I want to. EC games are meant to be public as the results are posted. Gal told me to add this so this is water under the bridge. Just don't lock your rooms during official matches and this won't be an issue, thanks.
| | Check out The Old Coast my online Greyhawk campaign featuring all maxmini's members!, and.........Champion of Aspect of Zuggtmoy | |
| SilentG Sergeant
 616 Posts




 | | 10/17/2005 1:16 AM |
| quote: Originally posted by oldcoast
RE: Locked Rooms
I lock rooms all the time when I am practicing or working on a band or testing map that's not public etc.etc. I never do it during an EC match nor would I want to. EC games are meant to be public as the results are posted. Gal told me to add this so this is water under the bridge. Just don't lock your rooms during official matches and this won't be an issue, thanks.
Well, I'm not going to lock rooms now during EC games, but it'd be nice if my concerns were adressed.
As far as reporting people goes, it's over a month now and I don't think I've even seen the dude since. The other situation was in a non EC game, but the fact that it's very easy to give your friends advice on EC w/out being detected should lend some credence to the argument for locking rooms. | | Completed trades: Zarnof, Ehren37, Eric is God, griffrat, cavedweller, Kyrinn, Blade, Humble Minion, Noghri, Ilarue
Reference thread http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9114
Champion of the fiendish, dire milk-cow | |
| oldcoast Sergeant
 394 Posts




 | | 10/17/2005 2:14 AM |
| Silent,
I understand where you're coming from but if you look at it in context it's really not the big a deal. If people watching want to message their friends about what "they think" they ought to do, I don't really see it as a "violation" of rules. The dice have just as much to say about things as anyone PM'ing your opponent. New players are going to need help and once you've played for awhile you start to take everyones advice with a grain of salt anyway. A bunch of us often talk to each other during games, I never got or gave any advice that changed the balance of a game. I suppose I have seen a rare occasion where someone has overlooked something obvious and a friend or maybe just the peanut gallery pointed it out. This isn't really different than a bunch of friends getting together and watching a pair of them face off in any type competitive game. You always get the comments and advice from everyone around. I suppose tourney's etc would be different and if you think you're in a situation where someone is literaly playing by proxy through someone else, that would not be cool at all and you should post about it here. I find 99% of everyone here is pretty damn honest and cool and thus wouldn't deliberately try to cheat. If you think you've come across some one being trying to cheat or just generally ruining your fun' Just post about it and I sure it will sort itself out. The rest of us won't tolerate it any more than you do. Good luck this week
OC
| | Check out The Old Coast my online Greyhawk campaign featuring all maxmini's members!, and.........Champion of Aspect of Zuggtmoy | |
| Craw Sneak
 74 Posts




 | | 10/17/2005 12:27 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by oldcoast
Silent,
I understand where you're coming from but if you look at it in context it's really not the big a deal. If people watching want to message their friends about what "they think" they ought to do, I don't really see it as a "violation" of rules. The dice have just as much to say about things as anyone PM'ing your opponent. OC
The only EC game I actually did not enjoy was one in which an observer kept PMing suggestions to me. After the second one came through, I set it to ignore. I'm all for getting advice about strategy from observers, but save it for after the match. Not only is it distracting during a game, it's unfair to both sides. My opponents deserve to take advantage of my bonehead errors, and I deserve to learn from them. I don't necessarily disagree with OC, particularly in regards to new players. God knows I needed enough help with the game mechanics early on. I suggest, however, that any comments from the peanut gallery be made in the logged chat window. That way if either player has a problem with the advice being given, he is aware of it and can speak up. Most people appreciate an extra pair of eyes for counting movement and the like. It's the tactical advice -- given to me -- that I didn't like. | | Featherfall??! Who needs featherfaaaalll. . | |
| SilentG Sergeant
 616 Posts




 | | 10/17/2005 1:37 PM |
| | I'm completely OK with observers posting rules clarifications and pointing out improper movement and such in the normal room window speak. Basically, saying anything a tournament judge should say. Beyond that, any tactical advice, especially pointing out tactical errors should be considered cheating. If it's something that the other player wouldn't want you to point out, you probably should keep it to yourself. How many games are decided by minor (sometimes less minor) errors like that? I know I make them, and I pray that my opponent's fail to capitalize on them... | | Completed trades: Zarnof, Ehren37, Eric is God, griffrat, cavedweller, Kyrinn, Blade, Humble Minion, Noghri, Ilarue
Reference thread http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9114
Champion of the fiendish, dire milk-cow | |
| Veliq Warrior
 300 Posts




 | | 10/17/2005 1:59 PM |
| | What about if a player forgets something? Like Spell Resistence? Should that be pointed out, and might it be pointed out by a judge if s/he happened to notice? What about a gaze attack when someone uses ranged against them? Same deal? | | | |
| oldcoast Sergeant
 394 Posts




 | | 10/17/2005 2:06 PM |
| I guess I just haven't been in a situation where advice during a match has ever been an issue. As I said, once you learn how to play any suggestions someone might have are just that, "suggestions". I find it's things that you'd probably thought of anyway and I take it with a grain of salt. (personally I like to play my own match, thanks)
However I have had a recent situation (against tully) where I made a critical error that probably cost me the game. IF someone watching had PM'd me and pointed out my error I definitely wouldn't have made it. So I definitely agree with your overall point, if you see something fishy going on report it. I am going to add to the list above that hints, tips, etc should be kept in public chat window and thus in the log. | | Check out The Old Coast my online Greyhawk campaign featuring all maxmini's members!, and.........Champion of Aspect of Zuggtmoy | |
| Richard II Commander
 3663 Posts




 | | 10/17/2005 3:40 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by oldcoast Have Fun: If you are caught not having fun we will schedule all your games against Warchief Krawd without support troops. Then you will really be having no fun.!
[:)][:D][}:)][xx(] | |
 | |
| oldcoast Sergeant
 394 Posts




 | | 10/25/2005 2:52 PM |
| People still aren't scheduling games properly, or filling battle reports out correctly, or filing Logs. 8 logs missing in week 40. If this applies to you, please try to get your act together. if you need help just ask. | | Check out The Old Coast my online Greyhawk campaign featuring all maxmini's members!, and.........Champion of Aspect of Zuggtmoy | |
| The Defenestrator AesophDarkfable Warlord
 5628 Posts




 | | 10/25/2005 4:17 PM |
| Galn can we get a link to this put atop the weekly thread. I will also place it in the sign up thread as required reading.
The new magic item rule is a good one. | | Im out- find me on Hordelings if you want to chat. | |
| oldcoast Sergeant
 394 Posts




 | | 11/03/2005 8:01 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by oldcoast
People still aren't scheduling games properly, or filling battle reports out correctly, or filing Logs. 8 logs missing in week 40. If this applies to you, please try to get your act together. if you need help just ask.
Bump | | Check out The Old Coast my online Greyhawk campaign featuring all maxmini's members!, and.........Champion of Aspect of Zuggtmoy | |
| E.C. Organizer galneweinhaw Commander
 2646 Posts




 | | 11/03/2005 8:28 PM |
| | added link in weekly thread. | | Join the Eternal Skirmish Campaign.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. ~Dr Seuss | |
| SilentG Sergeant
 616 Posts




 | | 11/05/2005 3:51 PM |
| I emailed DJ Chuckles with my general schedule on Monday. After seeing his post on the weekly thread I posted a response within the same day. I did the same on his "attn SilentG" thread. In both cases I was asking for "specific times".
He emailed this to me Friday night: Ok found it. Sorry. Hmm I don't get home til 11pm on most nights. Tomorrow morning should be good though. Dj-Chuckles
I responded within the hour: Please send specific times in the future - Saturday at 11 am cst sound ok? If not please send a specific time that works for you.
There was no response, so I set my alarm clock and got up at 10 cst and logged on to watch vassal all morning. After noon I emailed this: It's now noon cst - I've been waiting all morning despite my love of sleeping in, so I can play you. Please send a specific time you are available. I will not be available from noon-6 pm cst Sunday.
I stayed on vassal till about 2 pm cst. At about 1 pm cst he got on and sent me a pm saying today wouldn't work afterall and what times were good for me on Sunday? I was out of the room and when I came back and replied there was no response. I waited almost an hour and then he either logged or got booted - no way to tell.
I'm looking for a forfeit because he has been impossible to contact, impossible to pin down a specific time to, and has no-showed on the very inconvenient and vague time of "Saturday morning". I don't think I should be obligated to spend four hours on vassal looking for him, but if I do I expect to get a game in at least. | | Completed trades: Zarnof, Ehren37, Eric is God, griffrat, cavedweller, Kyrinn, Blade, Humble Minion, Noghri, Ilarue
Reference thread http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9114
Champion of the fiendish, dire milk-cow | |
| oldcoast Sergeant
 394 Posts




 | | 11/05/2005 4:15 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by SilentG
I emailed DJ Chuckles with my general schedule on Monday. After seeing his post on the weekly thread I posted a response within the same day. I did the same on his "attn SilentG" thread. In both cases I was asking for "specific times".
He emailed this to me Friday night: Ok found it. Sorry. Hmm I don't get home til 11pm on most nights. Tomorrow morning should be good though. Dj-Chuckles
I responded within the hour: Please send specific times in the future - Saturday at 11 am cst sound ok? If not please send a specific time that works for you.
There was no response, so I set my alarm clock and got up at 10 cst and logged on to watch vassal all morning. After noon I emailed this: It's now noon cst - I've been waiting all morning despite my love of sleeping in, so I can play you. Please send a specific time you are available. I will not be available from noon-6 pm cst Sunday.
I stayed on vassal till about 2 pm cst. At about 1 pm cst he got on and sent me a pm saying today wouldn't work afterall and what times were good for me on Sunday? I was out of the room and when I came back and replied there was no response. I waited almost an hour and then he either logged or got booted - no way to tell.
I'm looking for a forfeit because he has been impossible to contact, impossible to pin down a specific time to, and has no-showed on the very inconvenient and vague time of "Saturday morning". I don't think I should be obligated to spend four hours on vassal looking for him, but if I do I expect to get a game in at least.
Silent G, No you should not to put up with this nonsense. I alerted Gal to your situation and yes you should be awarded the win, no contest. please await Gal's ruling. Thanks
All new players need to read all the rules and rules links on the weekly game page. They are not hard to follow, are are designed not to waste other peoples time. DJ Chuckles should be penalized and only allowed one warlord for next week per the rules. Anything more will come down directly from Galneweinhaw. | | Check out The Old Coast my online Greyhawk campaign featuring all maxmini's members!, and.........Champion of Aspect of Zuggtmoy | |
|  dj-chuckles Underboss
 2455 Posts



 The State that invented Spam!
 | | 11/05/2005 4:37 PM |
| Yet we still have time tomorrow. We had no formal time set yet.
I did not receive the email due to a turned off phone until 12:30pm which is about the time I messaged him.
I have not seen a message between us setting a specific time. I'm also finding that OldCoast and I have had a previous indescretion between us and he is biased against me. | |
Posted By WakeXX on 09/25/2006 4:49 AM OMG DJ!This has to be the spammiest spam thread ever!  Member of Team Game-Rocket.netScry into Blood War | My Trade Thread | My Reference Thread| Vindicated Champion of the Dragon Rider & Dracolich | New Champion of Cadderly | | |
| oldcoast Sergeant
 394 Posts




 | | 11/05/2005 4:45 PM |
| | You are not setting specific times with people, that is a violation of the rules and it wastes peoples time. I have had several complaints about your overall and continuing inability to schedule games. Making people wait around on Vassal for you is not acceptable. This has nothing to do with our personal issues it has to do with you not being considerate to your fellow players. Please await Galneweinhaw's ruling. | | Check out The Old Coast my online Greyhawk campaign featuring all maxmini's members!, and.........Champion of Aspect of Zuggtmoy | |
| SilentG Sergeant
 616 Posts




 | | 11/05/2005 4:58 PM |
| It seems really easy to avoid ever getting a forfeit if you just never send a specific time, even when asked in EVERY correspondence to send specific times.
Chuckles, you said this morning. I emailed back in the affirmative, I waited and you no-showed. That alone might not be enough to qualify for a forfeiture, but the lack of any meaningful contact by you kinda augments my case. I've sent exactly when I can and can't play you and tried to turn your vague (Saturday morning) response into a specific time. Your claim that your phone was turned off shouldn't be a benefit to your case - it just goes to show how impossible it is to contact and schedule with you.
I have no clue about anything between you and oldcoast - but I know oldcoast is VERY biased against giving out forfeits in the first place.
In the end the call goes up to Galne, but as far as having time to play our game - when? I've got a tournament tommorrow and by all estimates I'll be outta the apartment at 11am cst and back no earlier than 7pm - although probably much later.
When you set a time (even as crappy and vague as Saturday morning) and then no-show you RUIN a chunk of my weekend. Should I have to spend nearly every minute of my free-time all weekend waiting and hopeful that you just might show. Meanwhile you can come and go, respond to or ignore messages, and excuse yourself from any responsibility towards scheduling our game? You had all week (after early monday) to try and get this game earlier and you skipped out on the closest thing to a set time I think you'd ever willingly give me.
I think I deserve the forfeit for all my efforts to contact and have our game, I think you deserve the penalty commeasurate with forfeiture, and if possible I'd like to ask that I not be scheduled against you unless absolutely necessary. | | Completed trades: Zarnof, Ehren37, Eric is God, griffrat, cavedweller, Kyrinn, Blade, Humble Minion, Noghri, Ilarue
Reference thread http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9114
Champion of the fiendish, dire milk-cow | |
| Zippy Underboss
 1993 Posts



 Whitewater, WI
 | | 11/05/2005 5:16 PM |
| A few things to help avoid this (DJC/Silent G) situation:
1) Reply to emails as quickly as possible (24 hours or less works well) 2) Aggressively try to establish a firm DAY & CLOCK TIME for a game early in the campaign week. If you wait until the last half of the week, you may be out of options. 3) Don't "schedule on the brink". If you can maybe barely be home in time for that 10 PM game, then schedule the game for 10:15 or 10:30 to allow for traffic, disorganization, having to take a poo, and so on 4) When you get an email with a time that does not work for you, reply with specific DAY & CLOCK TIME options that will work for you, rather than a general comment about the proposed time not working out. 5) Make sure your email is registered on your maxminis account, it makes you easier to contact if an email is lost or someone tries to reach you from work, etc.
I've personally broken these rules in the past and usually it annoys people when it happens, or your game suffers (see #3, throw crappy band together with no strategy plan, then play and lose...), so these guidelines are spoken from experience and are not a snooty jab [:)] | | There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary, and those who don't. Reference Thread, H/W List, Champion of the Catoblepas | |
| oldcoast Sergeant
 394 Posts




 | | 11/05/2005 5:21 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by SilentG
It seems really easy to avoid ever getting a forfeit if you just never send a specific time, even when asked in EVERY correspondence to send specific times.
On that note it's also very easy to try to make a claim for forfeit as well if you dont specify a time. That is why we insist that you schedule a specific time with your opponent. This has never been an issue with any other player in the 30 weeks I have been around , Silent G you have gone beyond what normally expected in scheduling a match. Kudos to you and your patientence.
| | Check out The Old Coast my online Greyhawk campaign featuring all maxmini's members!, and.........Champion of Aspect of Zuggtmoy | |
|  Avatar of Skirmishes tullywi Sergeant
 982 Posts



 | | 11/05/2005 7:52 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by dj-chuckles
Yet we still have time tomorrow. We had no formal time set yet.
I did not receive the email due to a turned off phone until 12:30pm which is about the time I messaged him.
I have not seen a message between us setting a specific time. I'm also finding that OldCoast and I have had a previous indescretion between us and he is biased against me.
Actually, DJ. You might have Sunday free, but it does not sound like Silent G has Sunday free. From the discussions here and your post in the "Attention Silent G" thread, it appears that you have made a very relaxed attempt at getting this match scheduled. Since Silent G appears to have made a serious attempt at getting the match scheduled, it becomes very easy to side with his request to get a forfeit.
This situation is why this thread was started. The thread starts off with:quote: Scheduling Games: Make sure you contact your opponent via email and agree on a time to play.
Don't say: " Hey I will be on Vassal all night tonight, come find me". Do say: "Let's play at 8pm CST on wednesday", etc. Save your correspondence. This will be important if you'd like to ask for a forfeit.
It goes on to say: quote: Forfeits:[/b] Forfeits are only awarded only for scheduled no shows i.e, you and opponent scheduled a time to play, you showed up waited for THIRTY minutes and your opponent never showed up. We ask if there is time in the week you still try to reschedule the game before asking for a forfeit.
You also need to have proof of corespondence if there is a dispute on the agreed time and the game is not played. If you can't prove you agreed on a time. it's a Disqualification, no points.
If you have a scheduled game and your opponent is M.I.A and you made an effort to get in touch you may also be awarded a Forfeit, that is up to Gal. I would suggest a lesser reward (say 250 XP and 250 CP, and minor item) for these type of situations as opposed to full victory rewards. (TBA)
This of course is the crux of the matter. Silent G appears to have wanted a specific time. You appeared to want to play when it was convenient for you. Your lack of commitment to set a time and show up at some point during the time you did specify, reflect poorly on you in this manner. Especially when combined with Silent G's documentation of the situation.
| | | |
| E.C. Organizer galneweinhaw Commander
 2646 Posts




 | | 11/06/2005 1:09 AM |
| quote: Originally posted by SilentG
...I'm looking for a forfeit....
Thanks to everyone for their comments on the matter.
1. SilentG is granted a default win for this match, 1000XP, 1500CP and a medium magic item (please roll and post with EC witness)
2. dj-chuckles is limited to one warlord next week. Since this is the second time within a month this limitation has had to be applied the privelidge of playing mre than one warlord will be witheld until the issue is resolved.
I think the reasoning is obvious, but if either of you have any questions please email me.
| | Join the Eternal Skirmish Campaign.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. ~Dr Seuss | |
| oldcoast Sergeant
 394 Posts




 | | 11/15/2005 6:40 PM |
| | bump, for easy access. | | Check out The Old Coast my online Greyhawk campaign featuring all maxmini's members!, and.........Champion of Aspect of Zuggtmoy | |
|
| | You are not authorized to post a reply. |
|
| |
ActiveForums 3.7 | You must be signed in to participate in the
games. |