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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
    
 | | 08/18/2005 2:07 AM |
| | recovered topic 7509 | |
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 08/18/2005 2:07 AM |
| | Too many strong flyers. Until summons don't count for VP anymore or don't pop when the summoner dies, a summoner is just a lot of points on an easily broken stick. | |
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Schooly_D
Sergeant
402 Posts
| | 08/18/2005 4:04 AM |
| | If the maws are summoned directly into melee and opponents must take AoO to get to the Cultist, I think it could be a useful way to add activations. But, with a Cultist being worth 44-59 points they become a juicy target. Especially against LE/LG fliers and high AC that can afford to take attacks of opportunity. | |
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XAos
Underboss
2401 Posts
London
| | 08/18/2005 5:41 AM |
| I'd expect to see some tier-2 warbands with summoners, but they won't be the dominant feature of warband design (the way 3pt fodder are at the moment)
I would however, expect to see minions and dual activation creatures more than we currently do. Simply because minions don't auto-destruct when Snig or whoever is killed.
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Sharn Inquisitor
Underboss
1623 Posts
| | 08/18/2005 11:35 AM |
| | I agree that with the prevalence of flyers and frailty of most summoners, they won't see growth. | | | |
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
525 Posts
| | 08/18/2005 2:03 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sharn Inquisitor
I agree that with the prevalence of flyers and frailty of most summoners, they won't see growth.
I share the same sentiment with regards to summoners. | |
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Frost-Bitten
Sergeant
677 Posts
| | 08/18/2005 2:47 PM |
| | I agree on the summons but feel now dual activations pieces will become more important (ie. Choker, beholder, etc.) | |
PS. This is what the alphabet would look like if Q and R were removed
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Frost-Bitten, there's more to life (and DDM) than LG!
Frost-Bitten:
More to life than LG... that is like saying there is more to Lucky Charms than the marshmallows!!!!!!!! | |
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General_Boy
Sneak
59 Posts
| | 08/18/2005 3:31 PM |
| Does anyone else feel that summoned minis should either score points and stay like minions or pop when summoner is killed and not score points?
I just think summoners are getting the shaft comparatively to minion guys (Snig, Graycloak, and Orog). I think that someone would actually consider using the Evermeet or the Cultist if they weren't huge point/ no hp targets after they summon. | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 08/18/2005 3:43 PM |
| | My Fire Genasi Dervish army shall take the day! | |
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psistef
Underboss
1572 Posts
| | 08/19/2005 1:43 PM |
| Unless summoning rules change, they sadly still won't be worth it. Even in deathmatches they're a challenge, and when you're playing for points ....sucky.
I'm sure the designers have contemplated the issue however, so we shall see. | |
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