Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
    
 | | 10/26/2005 10:39 AM |
| | recovered topic 10393 | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 10/26/2005 10:39 AM |
| I was thinking about putting together a Competitive Guide to Underdark Sealed before Friday. (Assuming we have the stats available.)
Though there are other articles I want to write too.
Hrm...
Damnit.
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I am not gone. | |
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Avatar of Skirmishes
tullywi
Sergeant
982 Posts
| | 10/26/2005 1:18 PM |
| | Get moving on that article Doubt - It's only 2 days for people to read it if it was finished. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 10/26/2005 1:21 PM |
| As soon as we get a format other than Assault, there will be room for an article on that kind of format.
Some others have already done a good job with the Activations question. I think if someone wanted to search these threads and put together what's already out there, that this would come close to covering it. However, someone could put together a by-faction, or a by-band-type activation article, that would be good.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Felagund
Sergeant
922 Posts
| | 10/26/2005 1:37 PM |
| | I would be interested in writing an article on draft strategy, but it may be up to a few weeks before I have the time to get around to it. Now that I think of it, maybe I shouldn't do that until after the limited championship. No need to help the competition. Not that anyone who can make it to the top 8 needs my advice, though. [:)] | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 10/26/2005 1:38 PM |
| | I'll put one together on building a war band using overlooked or non-formulary concepts. | |
Champion of Prit(Wemic vindication is here)
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3523 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 10/26/2005 1:53 PM |
| One assignment is already done except to be updated with Underdark stats (ChoE commander effect list):
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8975
I will happily take on this kind of project. I enjoy making lists of creatures subject to specific commander effects (including warband building). It's one of those warband building exercises that helps me look for new warband concepts. | |
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." - Albert Einstein
Champion of Myopic Half-Orcs
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
12441 Posts
The G Spot
| | 10/26/2005 2:56 PM |
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Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
Skirmish Toolkit - doubtofbuddha and I are working on this; it'll be by-faction and include commentary on which figures are essential in your toolkit as well as those that fall into the not-required-but-can-be-fun-and-useful middle ground.
I've been looking for something like this for quite a while now. Looking forward to seeing it. | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 10/26/2005 3:05 PM |
| | I am about half way through my sealed guide. Hopefully I will be able to put it up tonight, otherwise you will see it early tommorow. (My gaming group is going to kill me.) | |
I am not gone. | |
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Tried
Sergeant
501 Posts
| | 10/26/2005 7:09 PM |
| Please start writing articles!
I am hoping to have a socal ddm website launched by gencon socal.
It will be modest at first, and we will have many homegrown ideas, but we also talked about getting others to write for us.
The site will not be like the WOTC site as far as strategy goes [:)] nor will it be a free for all like Merric's. Just a few useful articles by proven authors, updated once or twice a month....
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Let it be. | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 10/26/2005 7:54 PM |
| Anyone see a need for a tournament etiquette article? How about non-tournament etiquette? I mean, it's one thing to hang out with your buddies and play, it's another thing to head out to a FLGS and play there, and another thing entirely when a case is on the line, or when an invitation is on the line.
It's a little outside the writing assignment topics here, but it might be relevant.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
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Okay McKay
Underboss
1068 Posts
| | 10/26/2005 7:59 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
Anyone see a need for a tournament etiquette article? How about non-tournament etiquette? I mean, it's one thing to hang out with your buddies and play, it's another thing to head out to a FLGS and play there, and another thing entirely when a case is on the line, or when an invitation is on the line.
I'll let you know after I see the way ChrisGroves and Kiddoc act on Saturday. [:p] | |
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2004 D&D Miniatures Champion
Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 10/26/2005 8:21 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
No ... by all means write one! Do's and don'ts of tournament play!
I actually wrote this article for the Wizo online publication mag that's done over on the WoTC forum.
I'm sure it could use some updating and expansion. They cruelly limited me to 2000 words at that time. | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
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The Defenestrator
AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 10/26/2005 10:52 PM |
| | This rocks, we all got a fire under our a$$ and are cranking the stuff out. The game ettiquite one would be great! I think a full analysis of maps thus far would be good too. | |
Im out- find me on Hordelings if you want to chat. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 10/27/2005 12:30 AM |
| I'd be happy to maintain a list or two. Although I'm not much of a skirmisher, I do dabble.
I just need someone to point me in the right direction. | |
Champion of the Werewolf Lord, Knight of Anything Duergar, and Squire of Things Gnollish
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Drakkengi
Sergeant
890 Posts
| | 10/27/2005 12:53 PM |
| | Along with the Champion of Elisatree list, I think someone should add lists for all commander's warband building and commander effects. Such as CE spellcasters for Red Wizard, CE abberations affected by the Dark Naga's commander effect.... Also are these threads going to be stickied? | |
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 10/27/2005 2:13 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Drakkengi
Along with the Champion of Elisatree list, I think someone should add lists for all commander's warband building and commander effects. Such as CE spellcasters for Red Wizard, CE abberations affected by the Dark Naga's commander effect.... Also are these threads going to be stickied?
If you guys want this, I would be willing to split this load with Faragdar. He could take LG and CG, I would do LE and CE.
Let me know, I've got nothing but free time when I am at work. | |
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Blood War Called Shot: Phoenix
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The Defenestrator
AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 10/27/2005 2:17 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Drakkengi
Along with the Champion of Elisatree list, I think someone should add lists for all commander's warband building and commander effects. Such as CE spellcasters for Red Wizard, CE abberations affected by the Dark Naga's commander effect.... Also are these threads going to be stickied?
This is done already (by me)- look in the reference thread at the top of this forum for the link to it. | |
Im out- find me on Hordelings if you want to chat. | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3523 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 10/27/2005 4:15 PM |
| Okay, Chris. I've added a new topic:
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10490
I'll update it once I have more information on Underdark and/or when somebody points out something I've missed or gotten wrong. | |
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." - Albert Einstein
Champion of Myopic Half-Orcs
Winner, WBC X | |
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Drakkengi
Sergeant
890 Posts
| | 10/27/2005 4:30 PM |
| I know that's not all that benefit from the Red Wizard's WB. I know of at least the deathlock, and I hope there are more but I don't have time to look through them right now.
Whoops, clicked on the wrong link. | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
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Drakkengi
Sergeant
890 Posts
| | 10/27/2005 5:46 PM |
| Wow! Everything looks great! I'm glad to see some new material in the skirmish forum, it seemed people had just lost interest in skirmishing for a while. Much appreciation to everyone who's contributed to the new reference thread.
I'd like to add a list for viable summons/minions but I'm not too familiar with LG/CG pieces and I'm sure I'd mess it up. If anyone would like to take on this task though, I'd greatly appreciate it. | |
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The Defenestrator
AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 10/28/2005 3:47 AM |
| Ive got a write up on Tech figures that I have been mentally working on, Ill get a draft done this weekend and have some people look it over, probably get it up Monday or Tuesday.
Also if no one else does it I can do a list of summoners and options. Ive got one mostly done already (one of the warband generators has it) just need to update it for UD. | |
Im out- find me on Hordelings if you want to chat. | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3523 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 10/28/2005 3:55 AM |
| | I'm a big fan of the Rakshasa. I've already compiled a list of his followers who can benefit from a stolen Eilistraee commander effect. I've also made lists in the past of followers who can benefit from a stolen Cleric of Dol Arrah or Village Priest commander effect. I'll start work on a full set of Rakshasa lists so folks know who's going to get the benefit of various stolen CEs. | |
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." - Albert Einstein
Champion of Myopic Half-Orcs
Winner, WBC X | |
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lynchpt
Sergeant
930 Posts
| | 10/28/2005 9:25 AM |
| Is there any call for a highly normalized SQL Server 2000 (soon to be 2005) database with all the skirmish stats? This would allow you to query on most anything (e.g., find all units with a third attack of bonus +8 or higher, size large, and Cold Reistance 10 or higher.). Of course, you would need to write the sql to do this, but the normalized nature of the database would make the sql relatively simple.
The database exists, but I am behind in entering the last set. If there is demand, I could get this caught up in the next few weeks.
Pat Lynch | |
Dreamblade Rules Advisor | |
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CorneilleLoiseau
Sergeant
402 Posts
Qc, Canada
| | 10/28/2005 9:30 AM |
| I think that this is a really good idea, and it will be of good use for a lot of people.
Posted - 10/28/2005 : 09:25:24 AM
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Is there any call for a highly normalized SQL Server 2000 (soon to be 2005) database with all the skirmish stats? This would allow you to query on most anything (e.g., find all units with a third attack of bonus +8 or higher, size large, and Cold Reistance 10 or higher.). Of course, you would need to write the sql to do this, but the normalized nature of the database would make the sql relatively simple.
The database exists, but I am behind in entering the last set. If there is demand, I could get this caught up in the next few weeks.
Pat Lynch
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
| | 10/28/2005 9:49 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by lynchpt
Is there any call for a highly normalized SQL Server 2000 (soon to be 2005) database with all the skirmish stats? This would allow you to query on most anything (e.g., find all units with a third attack of bonus +8 or higher, size large, and Cold Reistance 10 or higher.). Of course, you would need to write the sql to do this, but the normalized nature of the database would make the sql relatively simple.
The database exists, but I am behind in entering the last set. If there is demand, I could get this caught up in the next few weeks.
Pat Lynch
Did you know MaxMinis hosts XML files with all of the stats in them? I think Hordelings uses the same or similar stats.
I've been trying for a while to get Hordelings and MaxMinis to use the same source data for this stuff ... one of them host the master, the other replicates in the evenings, etc. It is the data behind the MaxMinis gallery (those are XML generated, not just formatted text) and also Jai's minitracker.
I'm not sure MaxMinis has the bandwidth and/or horsepower to host the SQL db (it already has size issues) but hosting it somewhere would be sweet. I'm just tired of seeing slightly different stats in different places. | |
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shemnon
Warrior
279 Posts
| | 10/28/2005 12:36 PM |
| When it is finally released to the public google can host that data...
http://base.google.com/
it's not quite availbe for public consumption yet.
BTW... where are these XML files for the stats on maxminis?
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 11/06/2005 12:24 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kiddoc
quote:
Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
No ... by all means write one! Do's and don'ts of tournament play!
I actually wrote this article for the Wizo online publication mag that's done over on the WoTC forum.
I'm sure it could use some updating and expansion. They cruelly limited me to 2000 words at that time.
Well, let's stick with this one then. I mean, updating is fine and all, but unless there's something wrong with the advice, it's still going to work.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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alepulp
Underboss
1538 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 11/07/2005 7:16 AM |
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Originally posted by CorneilleLoiseau
I think that this is a really good idea, and it will be of good use for a lot of people.
Posted - 10/28/2005 : 09:25:24 AM
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Is there any call for a highly normalized SQL Server 2000 (soon to be 2005) database with all the skirmish stats? This would allow you to query on most anything (e.g., find all units with a third attack of bonus +8 or higher, size large, and Cold Reistance 10 or higher.). Of course, you would need to write the sql to do this, but the normalized nature of the database would make the sql relatively simple.
The database exists, but I am behind in entering the last set. If there is demand, I could get this caught up in the next few weeks.
Pat Lynch
This is a great idea - the licensing of SQL2005 for Internet usage is huge though... | |
One of these days WoTC will update their tournament page when I'm in the top 5... they never seem to do when I'm in that bracket :(
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 11/07/2005 7:47 AM |
| | Hey Chris, any chance that you and Jesse are gonna put together toolkits for Epic format once you are done with the standard. I realize it would be somewhat similar but would there be enough difference to merit a toolkit for it? | |
Champion of the Alhoon and my called shot for Unhallowed
Blood War Called Shot: Phoenix
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
| | 11/07/2005 7:59 AM |
| Well, it would probably be useful but Jesse and I would be going on pretty thin ground as we don't have alot of direct epic experience.
What I'd rather do is find someone in the community who plays alot or watches folks who play alot of events. Maybe one of the MN contingent - JohnTheElder or Newtoncain or DragonVenom ... come to think of it I think DragonVenom took a pass at this a while back.
EDIT: Ack send me the link to DragonVenom's post on some 500 point builds; it's in the list now. | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 11/07/2005 8:03 AM |
| | After I finish the toolkit series I am going to be writing an article about low variability vs. high variability pieces. | |
I am not gone. | |
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Foo Fighter
Warrior
188 Posts
| | 11/07/2005 11:16 AM |
| I don't know if this helps but below is a cut and paste job from an ADVICE THREAD. Some experienced players give their advice on Tournament play.
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IAN B
In sealed, barring really extreme matchup problems, the biggest advantage you can get over someone with a superior warband is beating them in the tile placement game. If you can get a big enough tile point lead, you can win without necessarily outplaying them in any other way. The corollary to this is that you should always strive to prevent your sealed opponent from getting tile points, even if it means you commit a piece that seems to expensive to waste on killing the tile grabber. I can think of at least 4 or 5 games I've won in sealed simply by doing this, even if it eats up a turn or two from an expensive piece, like a DCoC or something.The other advantage you have is that average player will usually make errors that you can capitalize on.To give you an extreme example, in the 2nd ANF sealed tournament game I played, I won a game 200-140 or so where my opponent had far more points than me left on the board at the end. The difference was I had beaten him on tile points 120-10 or something. If he had simply taken the time to 'waste' a turn with his efreeti to kill my wild elf tile grabber, I would have lost that game in a landslide. Conversely, if I *hadn't* blown my blink out to send my direguard out of command into his scoring tile to kill *his* tile grabber, I would have lost that game in a landslide. It kept the direguard from contributing meaningfully for 2 or 3 turns, but it was easily worth it.Another example would be a game I played against jgsugden at a fairly recent ANF event. I ended up barely winning by 2 points, in large part because I decided to use a 30 point piece early on to kill his tile grabber, even though it took the 30 pointer out of the immediate conflict for a few turns.
Anson on WotC boards
DOUBTOFBUDDHA
I think IanB pretty much covered it.1) Win the Tile War2) Play conservatively, with a particular goal in mind, but keep things flexible enough that you can wait for them to make a mistake.3) Take advantage of said mistake. 4) Kill them.
Jesse Dean
GUNTHER
I third what Ian B said. Tile points, tile points, tile points....a difference they do make.
In the sealed qualifier, I had an absolutely terrible pull but still got wins.
KIDDOC
I agree with what Jesse and Gunthar said, unconditionally. And, I'd like to add something else to that list.
5) Lose.
Sometimes you just lose. One of the reasons I hugely favor drafting over sealed events is that it introduces a tad more skill back into the warband creation process.
That said, in sealed, you can just get absolute crap. Players with crazy-awesome pulls, even if they're unskilled, will sometimes just win. You should do 1-4 (well, 4 may get you arrested, look me up if that happens, we'll plead insanity), but you should also have a realistic expectation of your performance. If you know your band is crap, you'd damn sure better choose the pieces and the tiles that best maximize the small chance that you'll win. This is particularly important for selecting point-scoring miniatures.
So, maybe you lose. It's sealed, it happens. The good news is, you can be sure that if a bad player has a great warband, there will be some awesome players trying to make it happen with absolute crap. The best combination of playskill and warband is likely to win, no matter which of the later he faces.
FRY
The best defense a good player with a bad pull has against a bad player with a good pull is tile placement. Tile points (specifically, denying your opponent tile points) are crucial. I did extremely well in the Angelfire prerelease, and I think my first tile placement each game was a "bunker" placement of a treasure room.
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