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11/07/2005 4:47 AM  
recovered topic 11046

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11/07/2005 4:47 AM  

There was a fairly recent discussion about this on the WotC boards, within the last couple of weeks or so.

The answer is no, because the only thing that provides cover in melee is hard cover from a wall.

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11/07/2005 2:43 PM  
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I know that you do not get an attack of opportunity against creatures who have cover. My question is, would a creature who moves through a space that is occupied by a allied creature but adjacent to and enemy, would the creature get cover and therefore avoid the attack of opportunity? That might sound a bit confusing but it's the best I can think of to describe it. Thanks for the help.

This works in RPG, but they have made things simplier for us in DDM. It is just how LCS says.

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11/07/2005 3:06 PM  
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Originally posted by spikegif
This works in RPG, but they have made things simplier for us in DDM. It is just how LCS says.


I thought this didn't work in RPG either. I was pretty sure if a creature occupies the same space as another creature, neither gets cover from the other.

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11/07/2005 3:29 PM  
I believe it's assumed in RPG that if you run through your ally's square you're not going to go between him and the opponent. That's just common sense that you wouldn't interpose yourself between two people/creatures crossing swords. Unless you're trying to take a shot for your ally or have a death wish. RPG gives you more options and can be a little more realistic. For game mechanics in DDM it's changed. Otherwise it'd make for protecting that moving creature all that much easier.

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11/07/2005 3:38 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by LCS

There was a fairly recent discussion about this on the WotC boards, within the last couple of weeks or so.

The answer is no, because the only thing that provides cover in melee is hard cover from a wall.

That's true, unless the melee attack is made using melee reach. At one time, Guy ruled that a creature with melee reach could choose whether or not to use melee reach when attacking adjacent creatures because of just this situation. If the opponent provokes an AoO while they are moving through another creature's space or through a statue, they would technically have cover against an opponent with melee reach. If the discussion came up again on WotC, I assume Guy hasn't changed his stance on that one?

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11/07/2005 3:53 PM  
RPG is no different. Moving through an ally's square doesn't give you AOO protection. It doesn't even give you cover. Soft cover (cover from creatures) doesn't apply versus melee attacks, only versus ranged attacks. (Speaking entirely of adjacent movement, not melee reach.)

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatModifiers.htm#cover

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11/07/2005 5:34 PM  
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Originally posted by IanB

RPG is no different. Moving through an ally's square doesn't give you AOO protection. It doesn't even give you cover. Soft cover (cover from creatures) doesn't apply versus melee attacks, only versus ranged attacks. (Speaking entirely of adjacent movement, not melee reach.)

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatModifiers.htm#cover

This is true vs adjacent cover. I seem to remember a artical on the WotC web site about "rules of the game" or something like that dealing with AoO. This was something that was covered. I will have to back and see if I can locate it.

Read your second paragraph under the title Cover.

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When making a melee attack against an adjacent target, your target has cover if any line from your square to the target’s square goes through a wall (including a low wall). When making a melee attack against a target that isn’t adjacent to you (such as with a reach weapon), use the rules for determining cover from ranged attacks.
if you are not adjacent to the creature, you can get cover and not provoke the AoO.

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