Drakkengi
Sergeant
890 Posts
    
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Drakkengi
Sergeant
890 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 3:23 PM |
| | I really hope he has 6 attacks. That would be awesome to pair him up with Warpriest of Hextor! As long as he's not costed too high(less than 100 pts.), I will definately be trying it out just because he looks so cool. | |
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 3:26 PM |
| | Yeah, I'm hoping that the AoH will have six attacks (it has six arms, right?[)]). That would ROCK! | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 3:27 PM |
| | 4 attacks per Shoe on the WotC board. | |
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Liquidburn
Sergeant
944 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 3:32 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IanB
4 attacks per Shoe on the WotC board.
4 attacks is enough if they are all at good bonuses and do decent damage. | |
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 3:38 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Liquidburn
4 attacks is enough if they are all at good bonuses and do decent damage.
Probably 15 damage per attack. It would really be awesome if it were 20, but that seems like a bit much. | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 3:53 PM |
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Anson/IanB is on the right track
Good to know. I stopped following that thread (and shouldn't).
Alright, so from the MHB the important stats are ...
HD 12; 114 HP - probably level 10 or so and 115 HP
Speed 40ft/8 squares
AC 22
Full Attack (all magic)
- flail +14/9/4 2d6+6 - 13 avg
- longsword +14 2d6+3 - 10 avg
- battleaxe +14 2d6+3 - 10 avg
- heavy mace +14 2d6+3 - 10 avg
- heavy pick +14 1d8+3 - 7.5 avg
- scimitar +14 1d8+3 - 7.5 avg
DR, blind fight, cleave, power attack, reach 10
And, of course, Lawful Evil
So, if we're going with 4 attacks I could see +14(15 magic) for the first attack, maybe dropped to +13(15 magic) with a power attack ... but not sure on the others. Maybe an overall drop to +12 for 15 magic on all four? Could also be an overall drop to +10 for 20 magic (power attacking for 8 extra) ... not sure how they'd factor in the 4 attacks he's not taking on a full attack. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 11/16/2005 3:54 PM |
| Folks ... the Ettin has 4 attacks and each does pretty good damage. Don't get your hopes up, yet, just because it has 4 attacks. There is more than # of attacks and damage to consider ...
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 11/16/2005 4:03 PM |
| | BTW: Does anyone have the link/title to that thread ... I've not seen it, and I can't find it ... | |
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Aesnath
Underboss
1358 Posts
Augusta, GA
| | 11/16/2005 4:03 PM |
| | Titans, of any caliber, have become a hard sell for me, since the archmage hit the scene. I, personally, hoped he's nerfed to the 60ish range of the AoK, so that I'll have a reason to use him. If he's 80+, at least he'll have company in my box (along with the Aspect of Nerull, Aspect of Bane, Death Knight, Fire Giant, and even the Thaskor). | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 4:09 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
Folks ... the Ettin has 4 attacks and each does pretty good damage. Don't get your hopes up, yet, just because it has 4 attacks. There is more than # of attacks and damage to consider ...
Of course ... but the ettin's RPG stats are relatively weak wereas the Aspect of Hextor has a +14 to hit on 6 of its 8 attacks ... so I'm not sure how they will tweak it.
We're speculating right? It's fun. Realistically though the piece has about a 20% chance of being useful for skirmish at most by default ... but since it is the first place trophy I'd bet the odds are in its favor. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2019 Posts
Portland OR
| | 11/16/2005 4:25 PM |
| Epic should have 3 atts and dual activation...make it happen!!! Two atts at triple activation is a little too much
i'm sure they know thier folly in an expensive fit that only does 10 dmg...if not i will personally insert that really pointy AOH in a very unpleasant spot!!!
now that im done with that...i think he is an awesome canidate for yet more dual activation fun...they could even give a second set of att variables for second activation which would be perfectly in flavor and make for a very cool mini...
Personally im hoping if he has four atts they are +14ish, magic dmg, and 15/15/10/10 at least... Still have nasty dmg potential and probably warrant keeping his cost down...20/15/10/5 would be funny though...making variable dmg's would be interesting but adding on some dmg to first two atts makes up for losing 5th and 6th...
he would also be a good canidate for whirlwind att...don't have mhb availible right now so unsure...with 115 hp and just a few resistances he could still be in the high 60's low 70 and be viable at least...
i really have high hopes and don't really want to see them destroyed...so here's hoping... | |
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TroglodyteWizard89
Warrior
346 Posts
USA
| | 11/16/2005 4:26 PM |
| perhaps the epic version will have 6 attacks
another option would be giving the four attacks different damage, to give weapon spefic damage (such as the bite and two claws of a dragon) | |
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 4:33 PM |
| | sounds like a bit much, i cant seem him have 4 attacks with 15 magic on each. thats a possilbe 60 dam out put a turn... highest yet. i wouldnt be shocked if it was 4 attacks at 10 magic. only 40 more reasonable | |
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wicked cool
Underboss
2129 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 7:13 PM |
| | time to dig out the warpriest of hextor. what immunities will it have | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 7:17 PM |
| | Remember we're talking about an LE piece here, so 15 damage feels a little more faction-appropriate to me, with a good attack bonus. | |
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TruNutral88
Sergeant
522 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 7:24 PM |
| | Yeah, they'll probably give him an Aura of Fear or something because LE loves the special abilities. | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 7:31 PM |
| As long as were speculating, I wonder if the damage from the attacks will be of different types i.e. cold,fire,sonic etc. Different weapons different types of damage so he could be useful against any immunities.
I know probably not as it could get confusing as to which stike hits and which misses... but hey just wonderiing out loud. | | | |
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 8:26 PM |
| probly to much to fit on the state card lol Eg:
+10+10+10+10(10magic+5fire/10magic+5cold/10magic+5sonic/10magic+5lightsaber) :P | |
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ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 8:42 PM |
| | good point | |
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psistef
Underboss
1572 Posts
| | 11/16/2005 11:08 PM |
| Yeah, 60 a turn is no big deal these days - especially in a faction without Snake's Swiftness.
I'd be thinking 15 damage a swing at most, just 'cause of the LE factor.
To make up for it, he'll have immune fire, cold and poison, resist 10 everything, Aura of Fear -6. fly 4, burrow 3, whirlwind attack, orc foe, melee reach three, executioner's blade, mind thrust, grant gnome move action, natural soul, earthbound, magic missle, poison dc 12, inflict light wounds, bestow curse, commander 0, Minons [elves up to 3 points0 and Resist 10 Gravy - and cost 165 points. | |
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 11/17/2005 2:14 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by psistef
Yeah, 60 a turn is no big deal these days - especially in a faction without Snake's Swiftness.
I'd be thinking 15 damage a swing at most, just 'cause of the LE factor.
To make up for it, he'll have immune fire, cold and poison, resist 10 everything, Aura of Fear -6. fly 4, burrow 3, whirlwind attack, orc foe, melee reach three, executioner's blade, mind thrust, grant gnome move action, natural soul, earthbound, magic missle, poison dc 12, inflict light wounds, bestow curse, commander 0, Minons [elves up to 3 points0 and Resist 10 Gravy - and cost 165 points.
i concur | |
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Feathers
Underboss
1140 Posts
| | 11/17/2005 2:57 AM |
| 60 dmg in a single activation is still quite significant, especially in LE. I wouldn't necessarily dismiss that. That also can be 120 with the right Gauth support thanks to paralysis. If it's magic dmg, which it better be, so much the better.
But of course, it all comes down to cost. We'll have to wait and see on that. | |
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John05
Warrior
246 Posts
| | 11/17/2005 3:10 AM |
| Four attacks is such an odd number for a six-armed fellow. Is it possible he has 3 attacks for 20 damage each, instead of 4 attacks for 15 damage each? I think he'd be better that way anyway, because I get few full attacks as it is.
To add to psistef's speculations, he should have Hulkmaster 20 as an ability as well. [:D]
Of course, I don't have an Umber Hulk, but it would still be fun to see them used.
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Draxx
Sergeant
376 Posts
| | 11/17/2005 5:24 AM |
| | from what i heard the aspect will open up other avenues for LE. something new and interesting was the impression i got. my guess is it will be like the dragons and grant some warband passive, as well as being a sort of melee tank. in any event, we should find out after gencon socal cause its the 1st place prize. | |
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Void
Sneak
156 Posts
| | 11/17/2005 5:55 AM |
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We're speculating right? It's fun. Realistically though the piece has about a 20% chance of being useful for skirmish at most by default ... but since it is the first place trophy I'd bet the odds are in its favor.
Well, we have to look at the Balor. That one is not really as useful as people wished/thought it would be after seeing the champ trophy. | |
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TheDarklion
Sneak
131 Posts
| | 11/17/2005 8:26 AM |
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Originally posted by jos1-1
sounds like a bit much, i cant seem him have 4 attacks with 15 magic on each. thats a possilbe 60 dam out put a turn... highest yet. i wouldnt be shocked if it was 4 attacks at 10 magic. only 40 more reasonable
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