Kissmykiester
Sergeant
525 Posts
    
 | | 01/04/2006 1:29 AM |
| | I'm cracking my head trying to figure out what best to use with her in a 200 pt warband...do I go Goliath Barbarian x 2 or maybe a Celestial Pegasus and a Goliath Barb or a Half Ogre Barb and a Goliath Barb...What would you do? At 124 pts, IMO, the Eladrin just doesn't work in a 200pt warband. Has anyone tried her in Epic? | |
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 01/04/2006 1:38 AM |
| In Epic, one natural choice is Epic Kord. That +8 initiative to get the extra damage on attacks that almost never miss is SWEET!
In 200, she's just plain too many points. Titan builds need to center around stronger melee figures, like the LSD, because it will eventually come down to a slugfest. | | | |
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CSchroder
Sergeant
415 Posts
| | 01/04/2006 6:20 AM |
| Kissmykiester,
Jason (Liquidburn) went 4-1 in an Epic Tournament with:
Ghaele Eladrin x 2
Aspect of Kord
Clay Golem x 2
Crow Shaman x 2
Graycloak Ranger
Timber Wolf
I believe his goal was to win map initiative and select Hellspike and smoke to block LOS. Then using Ghaele's blindsight, fire arrows at enemies and forcing them to advance or get decimated.
I'm sure he'll elaborate but that's my recollection of his comments. Neat idea! | |
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Void
Sneak
156 Posts
| | 01/04/2006 7:34 AM |
| I tried the following:
Ghaele Eladrin
Frenzied Berserker
Wild Elf Raider x 2
Xeph Warrior x 4
The 50 hp heal works really well with the FB, but in the end the Ghaele is just too expensive. You can't beat focused bands with 4 hitters. Its place is in Epic. Still, the band above works for more casual purposes. | |
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Liquidburn
Sergeant
944 Posts
| | 01/04/2006 7:37 AM |
| | The filler is much easier to do if you just expand the points from 200 to 500. She's hard to successfully back up in 200. I honestly do not think she is a good play in 200. | |
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wolfsbane114
Warrior
327 Posts
| | 01/04/2006 9:50 AM |
| | I have not seen the Ghaele Eladrin Fig or stat card. what are its abilities? | |
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nycfarmkid
Underboss
1210 Posts
Wadsworth, OH
| | 01/04/2006 10:18 AM |
| I have a hard time justifying the use of the Ghaele Eladrin in 200 points. Too many points, plus the maps are much more constricted. In 500 you are able to use her maneuverability more because of the wide open areas. I tried this and enjoyed it, going 2-1 and a local tournament. I probably would have won the final match, if I had not lost my head and did something really dumb.
Ghaele Eladrin
Clay Golem x3
Frenzied Berserker x2
Crow Shaman
Centaur Hero
The Centaur is a really good archer. Much better than I first gave him credit for. Precise shot helps a lot. As does the legions magic weapon and cas grace. Not everyone has three clay golems, but you can probably borrow pieces like I did. I don't know if it was great, but I enjoyed the build. | |
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quori
Skirmisher
24 Posts
| | 01/04/2006 10:27 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by wolfsbane114
I have not seen the Ghaele Eladrin Fig or stat card. what are its abilities?
She has Improved Initiative, Gaze attack(just make emeny rolls 'morale save'), and one use of 50hp heal.
Well, I fought against her several times in friendly match(200p), and in those games she kick ass. F12 and 20M damage with very high attck rolls are terrible 'cause she has Impv.Initi, too.
...but the point always makes some problems.(and low HP,too)
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kaiserluger
Warrior
319 Posts
| | 01/04/2006 10:41 PM |
| For 200 points
Ghaele, Crow Shaman, nebin plus filler can make her a nice spoiler band.
For 500
Ghaele
Archmage x3
Centaur Hero
Xeph filler
I haven't lost with this yet. | |
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
525 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 1:50 AM |
| Yeah, I guess the Eladrin SHINES best at 500 pts. Not so much 200pts.
Which sucks cause everyone in my neck of th woods focus solely on 200pt warbands only.
Thanks everyone for their comments and for some of you (CS) I'll catch you on vassal :-) | |
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bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 12:22 PM |
| | I would start with a pair of greycloaks to boost activations, maybe a crow shaman, then some of the cheaper hitters: Barbarian Mercs, Half orc Barbs, wild elf raiders, etc They suck against high AC stuff, but may be enough to keep the fast threats away from Ghaele long enough for her to do her thing. | |
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Urban Druid
Warrior
253 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 12:47 PM |
| This will never be "competitive," obviously, but if you just want to play the Ghaele in friendly games, it can sometimes be a fun little spoiler band to just run the Ghaele with 5 Graycloaks (plus minions). I think I may have actually won with it, once...
Alternately, I suppose you could sub out one GC + Wolf for Aramil and a Xeph to help nix big hitters that base your Ghaele somewhat. | |
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CSchroder
Sergeant
415 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 1:45 PM |
| Kissmykiester,
I'll see you on Vassal and if you want try a Eladrin warband on me, go right ahead [:D]. I think she does well in 200 in sealed events as DoubtofBuddha won the sealed Angelfire event at GenCon using her.
500 may pick up in your neck of the woods with new Epic cards, maps, etc. | |
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jdb2112
Sneak
163 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 2:57 PM |
| Before Underdark came out I actually thought the Eladrin was a much stronger piece than most people gave credit in 200 pt play.
I won about 65% of my matches aganist tier 1-2 bands using
Ghaele
Crow Shaman
Graycloak x2
+ filler
The main difficulty with playing a band like this is patience. It pretty much was take a shot run away and use the Crow Shaman to give her a second shot. F12 can be hard to keep up with.
Unfortunately Underdark gives you Kord, Gith Monks, Rikka and a lot of high armor classes which hurts the Eladrin quite a bit. Add in the constricted space that maps bring, and I am no longer much of an advocate for her in 200pts.
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 3:34 PM |
| | I think the crow shaman is a bad play, honestly. It has to check morale due to the passive gaze every time it hits her with a snake's swiftness. | |
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 3:45 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IanB
I think the crow shaman is a bad play, honestly. It has to check morale due to the passive gaze every time it hits her with a snake's swiftness.
huh?
Gaze Attack (Repaces attacks; range 6; morale save)
passive? | |
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jdb2112
Sneak
163 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 4:01 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IanB
I think the crow shaman is a bad play, honestly. It has to check morale due to the passive gaze every time it hits her with a snake's swiftness.
Hmmm....
Damn, you're right.
Once again the somewhat obscure rule that I should have known comes back to bite me in the ass.
Well I was playing things incorrectly with that band. I guess fortunately for me none of my opponents realized it either.
It obviously invalidates most of my previous post though.
Doh!
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 6:24 PM |
| | I've seen the Ghaele in some pretty whacky 200-point bands. Usually, it's the Ghaele, Crow Shaman (Are you sure he has to make a morale save when he casts on Ghaele? I though gaze attacks only affected enemies.), and a whooole lot of fodder. It actually did pretty well. | |
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Urban Druid
Warrior
253 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 8:23 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by scifirules
I've seen the Ghaele in some pretty whacky 200-point bands. Usually, it's the Ghaele, Crow Shaman (Are you sure he has to make a morale save when he casts on Ghaele? I though gaze attacks only affected enemies.), and a whooole lot of fodder. It actually did pretty well.
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From the DDM Aberrations Rulebook Glossary
Gaze Attack: (Replaces attacks: RANGE; EFFECTS AND CONDITIONS; DC [#]) Instead of making its normal attacks, this creature can use its Gaze Attack against the nearest enemy or ally. The target is subject to the listed effect unless it succeeds on a save against the listed DC. In addition, any creature (enemy or ally) within the Gaze Attack’s range that chooses this creature as the target of a ranged attack, ranged spell, or ranged special ability must make a save afterward to avoid the effect of the Gaze Attack. A Gaze Attack requires line of sight to work, but not line of effect. A creature with Gaze Attack that has been rendered Invisible cannot use this ability.
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