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warty_nosed_goblin
Underboss
1384 Posts
    
 | | 01/08/2006 2:23 PM |
| I pulled an Medium Silver Dragon the other day, and have been trying to decide if it's worth including in a band, has anybody had any luck with the MSD?
It seems like a nice bit of tech, decent melee stats, some handy breath weapons, and the nifty moral booster- could be good when running a couatl with non fearless stuff. It might also have some synergy with gith monks, due to the paralysis (more auto=crits) and the moral boost, as well as a not to shoddy hunk of HP to take some auto damage.
The best application of the MSD I've thought of might be with a bunch of loyal earth elementals, the paralysis breath would help them do damage and they wouldn't even be effected- which is always a perk...if only I had a few LEEs...
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azuretide
Sergeant
407 Posts
| | 01/08/2006 3:08 PM |
| | I dont know the MSD is just not nearly as good as some of the other pieces around its point cost. It's not a horrible piece though. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3929 Posts
USA
| | 01/08/2006 4:21 PM |
| I've been trying to come up with a MSD warband that might be reasonable and not just a wimp band.
The best I can do at moment is (although I have not tested it out yet):
Couatl 42
Cleric of Order 24
Med Silver Dragon 52
Justicator 48
Eberk 16
Healer 12
MaA 3
MaA 3
8 activations, 200 points.
Couatl for Snakes and energy protection (and another attacker as needed). CoO for Major Resistance (to Justicator and MSD) and Shield of Faith to Justicator. Justicator as primary attacker, and is immune paralysis so dragon can use Paralysis breath from behind J man. MSD breath weapons and +2 to MC's and secondary attacker. Eberk for Magic Weapon on MSD, and Divine Protection for warband. And Healer to try and keep J man alive.
What do you think?
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 01/08/2006 4:26 PM |
| I don't think the MSD is such a bad piece, it's just that LG is finally "suffering" from what CE was suffering from back in the day--too many other good pieces.
It's hard, for example, to justify running Gith Monks without the Young Master, and, once you've put one Gith Monk with a Young Master, you might as well use more than one. Next thing you know, there's really no room left for the MSD. I mean, the YM + 3 Gith Monks + MSD = 198 points. Would you really want to pull one of those Gith Monks to leave 36 points open?
There are probably some nice options for the paralysis breath and hitters (heck, the Barbarian Mercenary makes you look like a genius if you've paralyzed a piece, 30 damage for 9 points seems brilliant). But, with more and more pieces that are around level 9, and with fewer pieces in a warband, it's getting harder and harder to be comfortable with "just" a DC 17.
If LG had some really cheap way to reduce opponents' saves (or to increase allies' DCs), it might work out well.
I suppose if a particular metagame starts having players trying to maximize activations to try to gain control of the game in that way, then things like cones become more valuable. But, I really don't see much in the way of warband design that's shooting for much more than 10 activations these days. Then again . . .
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 01/08/2006 6:31 PM |
| I like the MSD. I've been wanting to try it out with my Gold Dragon and do a Fire and Ice thing. Plus the paralyze could be powerful breathing over the Gold to hit enemies. It's a fun warband idea though probably not enough power to play in a tourney.
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warty_nosed_goblin
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 01/08/2006 7:30 PM |
| I'm leaning towards something involving the half-orc paladin (to up damage against things likely to make the paralysis save), one or two loyal earth elementals (as beaters) a gith monk for speed, flanking and general techiness and the MSD. The MSD helps out with moral saves, which helps make up for the HOP's lousy commander rating, and there's some decent damage there as well, since all of the main pieces have more then one attack they all benifit quite a bit from the HOP's commander effect
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originally posted by grim:
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Compasmasternecro
Skirmisher
22 Posts
| | 01/08/2006 9:24 PM |
| Actually I did fairly well with a MSD in a Marut band as a solid tech piece.
Marut
Purple Dragon Knight
Meduim Silver Dragon
Barbarian Mercenary
Mialee, Elf WIzard
2 Azer Raiders
Hill Dwarf Warrior
Since the Marut can be targeted by both the fear cone from the PDK, and the paralysis cone from the MSD. The MSD can clear fodder, and the Fodder from this band can usually just beat other fodder into submission due to a fairly good damge output. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7664 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 01/09/2006 12:11 AM |
| | I like teaming my MSD with my MGD. It really adds some flavor with that many cone options. it's definitely not a tier one team, but it's very fun to play, and a little difficult to play against. It decimated a chraal team because of the ability to fly right over to the commander. in the rematch he kept them all close, so a fire breath caused one to blow up next to his commander. Nice fun | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
11727 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 01/09/2006 1:28 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Teflon Jeff
I like teaming my MSD with my MGD. It really adds some flavor with that many cone options. it's definitely not a tier one team, but it's very fun to play, and a little difficult to play against. It decimated a chraal team because of the ability to fly right over to the commander. in the rematch he kept them all close, so a fire breath caused one to blow up next to his commander. Nice fun
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 01/09/2006 3:51 AM |
| | I think you're on the right track with the half-orc paladin. I'm still not a huge fan of the piece, but I think that's probably the right pairing. | |
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Urban Druid
Warrior
253 Posts
| | 01/09/2006 10:36 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Teflon Jeff
I like teaming my MSD with my MGD. It really adds some flavor with that many cone options. it's definitely not a tier one team, but it's very fun to play, and a little difficult to play against. It decimated a chraal team because of the ability to fly right over to the commander. in the rematch he kept them all close, so a fire breath caused one to blow up next to his commander. Nice fun
I've also played this band once (though it got bad reviews when I posted it on this board). Two medium-base fliers with four cones between them have a lot of versatility going for them, especially when you consider that they're both relatively durable.
In case you're wondering, I did lose the game I played (to an Archmage band), but I really could have pulled it out with better piece placement. I lost by 6 points, which would have meant the difference if I had placed my Gold one square to the right on a particular attack (and left him on a victory area and netted me 10 more points).
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Pauper
Sergeant
508 Posts
| | 01/09/2006 8:18 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Urban Druid
quote:
Originally posted by Teflon Jeff
I like teaming my MSD with my MGD.
I've also played this band once (though it got bad reviews when I posted it on this board). Two medium-base fliers with four cones between them have a lot of versatility going for them, especially when you consider that they're both relatively durable.
That does sound like an interesting pairing. I'd be tempted to pair the two dragons with a Cleric of Lathander:
1. The CoL's volume of magic weapons helps cover for the dragons' biggest weakness.
2. The CoL's Commander Rating and the MSD's morale booster ability makes the two dragons very morale-resliient, but the CoL's CFX makes for a nice 'kicker' on the off-chance that one of the dragons does end up failing a morale save for some reason.
3. The CoL helps make up for the MSD's general weakness against undead - neither of the MSD's breath weapons are likely to have much effect against most commonly-played undead figs.
Again, interesting concept, and one that deserves more study.
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Ack
Underboss
1476 Posts
| | 01/09/2006 10:33 PM |
| Im crazy - so dont think too much about this but its something Im poking at in passing
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Large Silver Dragon
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4x M@A | |
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warty_nosed_goblin
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 01/09/2006 10:37 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ack
Im crazy - so dont think too much about this but its something Im poking at in passing
Cleric of Yondalla
Large Silver Dragon
Medium Silver Dragon
4x M@A
Fun, but chraals could be a pain... I might have to try something like that though. | |
Call me: W.N. Gobo!
originally posted by grim:
While he is clearly insane, he does have a point. | |
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Aesnath
Underboss
1358 Posts
Augusta, GA
| | 01/10/2006 11:27 AM |
| | I've seen it put to use with JA builds, however, you have to take great care to not breath over your sure-to-fail archons. But it is a little expensive for its application. I really wish it were a bit faster as well. It really has no place in a dedicated Gith warband. | |
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