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Sharn Inquisitor
Underboss
1623 Posts
    
 | | 03/20/2006 10:54 AM |
| So, the Inspired Lt. is 45 points. After running with her this past weekend, I can truthfully say that I wish I'd had the Rakshasa in my band instead. She costs more, for the same commander rating, slower speed, no DR, inferior AC, only 5 HP more...but worst of all, she has to be hurt for the Hostile Empathic Transfer to work.
Only toward the end of one match where I felt very in control did I risk charging her into melee to fire off her smite for a 25 magic damage blast.
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kreylan
Sneak
61 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 4:10 AM |
| | I havent played the inspired much, but i definiteley prefer my Human Blackguard. costs one point more, is far more durable and has an attack bonus that actually hits something. | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 4:28 AM |
| I'm hoping that WotDQ will have a good, viable LE Psychic Warrior thta will really benefit from the ILs commander effect. That +4 to Blues attacks really isnt all that great. [)]
She does have her uses though, especially for the newer players. She is a pretty good replacement commader for Urthok, Rakshasa and Blackguard at the 40-45 point range, with a commander effect that helps most LE warbands.
Lets face it, most of LEs better commaders are getting hard to get for the new generation of players unless you go ebay. | |
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Janos M.
Underboss
1015 Posts
Hamburg / GErmany
| | 03/24/2006 5:02 AM |
| I think Low Key hit the nail.
The IL is an option for players without Rakshasa, Urthok, HBG for all others she comes in 4th or 5th place. | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 9:41 AM |
| | Urthok isn't too hard to track down, and the Dark Naga is pretty good. | |
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Underboss
1476 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 9:42 AM |
| i have 4 or 5 urthoks if newer players need to trade for one.. course i think most everyone here has 4 or 5 urthoks for trade to newer players. so .um. yeah.
But Low Key does have it. They are making it possible to be fairly competitive without the older sets. | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 11:36 AM |
| Yea I just cant find a reason to use the Inspired Lt. I mean seriously it seems like most other commanders are better. And as ppl have said, Urthok and Dark Naga are not hard to get ahold of. I can understand ppl not having the Human Blackguard. But anyone who plays LE a lot should at least shell out the $15 for a Rakshasa.
I just believe the Inspired Lt doesnt have much synergy with anything. Her powers really arent that great, one of them requiring her to be hurt (not good). Her cfx basically just gives a +2 to hit. While this is good..its not anything that is great. And the points spending on it usually isnt worth it.
Seriously if 1-2 new peices that are psionic dont come out soon, she'll be basically useless I think. They *really* need to release figures to benefit from her. Its kind of annoying to me when they release a figure like this, and dont at least put *one* peice in the same set that would benefit, if there arent already any. | |
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ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 11:37 AM |
| The Inspired Lt compares favorably to all of the other good LE commanders in this range. In fact, I'd say she was the average of most of the other commanders in this range mixed together.
She's got an average commander rating (4 as opposed to 3 on the low side or 6 on the high side).
She's got ok speed (six as opposed to the 8 of the Naga / Rakshasa and 4 of Urthok / HBG)
She's reasonably survivable (HP)
What she brings that is different are two things.
- First, a non-resistable special ability that does damage.
- Second, a built-in reason that discourages your opponent to base her with most troops. She's like the Brass Samurai in this respect - your opponent will think twice about basing her.
The Rakshasa has DR, SR, speed, slide and a variable commander effect - it only REALLY pays for itself when you need speed or to mirror the commander effect.
The Naga has speed, lightning bolts, conceal and aberration boosting commander effect ... it only really pays for itself when you're using aberrations or facing things that don't nerf the lbolts.
The Blackguard has a higher commander rating and tank-i-tude, but lower speed ... it only really pays for itself when you want that huge rating and survivability but care less for speed.
Urthok has a higher rating and is cheaper, but is slower ... again, when you don't care for speed.
The LT has mid-range speed, good enough commander rating to matter and abilities that can be brought to bear more consistently. Show me the figure that is immune to Recall Agony ... and the Rikka's, Orc champs, etc. of the world are going to be really careful to base her.
Dunno. I like her. I haven't found the right band for her yet, but I'm confident it's there somewhere. | |
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Thespian
Sergeant
442 Posts
Lethbridge, Alberta
| | 03/24/2006 11:47 AM |
| I played her in the release tourney as my commander and went 7-0 with her. I really like her. She reminds me of a Efreeti in the fact that in nearly every round of combat, she offers you something. You can start by Recalling Agony - auto 10 damage ...nice!
Not too bad to hit (and makes others better) with a smite - so you are closing in with a charge or similar in round 3...maybe doing some nice damgage - ideally taking out a screener or lower AC unit that you don't want to waste your hitters time on.
Someone inevitably bases you and does damage....then you can deal it back to them automaticall and heal the same amount...10 for sure, 25 if your lucky.
I think she is a very good commander who has yet to have found a band to buid around her. Nothing is really jumping out at me as a great synergy...+2 to hit is easy to overlook....but don't it is very important....especially for some of your fodder like the Large Duergar.
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millygoat
Warrior
297 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 12:41 PM |
| I like her, and think she has potential. Like the commanders with warband building, her effect leaves room for her to grow. LE is the faction full of tricksy pieces, and who knows when a good psionic piece whose only flaw is a bit too low of an attack bonus will show up. She's solid enough to hold her own, brings some interesting things to the table. I love my Rakshasa too much to use her all the time now, but I can definately see a future where she sees a lot more play.
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 03/24/2006 1:53 PM |
| Thespian hit the nail on the head: On every turn, she can do something useful for your warband. That isn't easy for the other commanders to pull off.
If you play her like a Rakshasa, Dark Naga, Human Blackguard or Urthok, you're not playing her correctly. Her abilities are quite different - and require getting her dirty. She must move into melee battle to really be worth her cost. Then, she can offer a few rounds of significant damage.
Here are things she can do that other LE commanders can't:
* Deal direct damage across the board to an unbased enemy.
* Deal a guaranteed 10 damage to an enemy (when wounded) in melee contact.
* She has the potential to be useful on every turn with a ranged attack on turn 1, and usefull commander effects/melee attacks/spells on turn 2+.
Those are nice features.
Many compare her to the HBG and find her wanting. However, people fail to consider what her troops might be. If she has Helmed Horrors at her beck and call, all her abilities benefit the HHs, while the HBGs tyrannical morale and healing do them no direct good. If I were looking for a commander for a HH band, she'd beat out the HBG.
She has a place in my LE toolkit. Right now, the odds of me decising to use her are pretty small ... but I wouldn't be surprised to see myself decide that she is the best available option for me for a warband. If we ever get a nice set of ~30 point psionic warriors in LE, she might be a monster... | |
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Thespian
Sergeant
442 Posts
Lethbridge, Alberta
| | 03/24/2006 2:21 PM |
| The intangible here is that, like a stink bug, the hostile empathic transfer ability sort of discourages doing damage to her.
Who wouldn't want a commander that people DON'T want to base/hurt?!?! Doesn't that pay for the commander by itself? | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 2:22 PM |
| If I had to choose between the Inspired Lt and the HBG for Helmed Horrors, I would pick her.
However if I had to choose between her, the Rakshasa or Dark Naga for Helmed Horrors, she is last on the list.
Her problem, in my opinion, if she is a good choice for any number of warbands, but not the best choice for any of them. Without pyschic warriors to command, she doesn't have a niche, in my opinion, where she is the clear choice. | |
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Wish
Sergeant
399 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 2:27 PM |
| I'm experimenting with her in my LE quad band. I basically have about 12 points to play around with (with some fodder shuffling) after I put in my 4 main beaters.
My options are:
1) to swap her in for Urthok, gaining more speed, another source of magic damage, and a nice ranged attack.
2) to put in a dark moon monk for MW and tile grabbing (after my wolf has been nuked).
3) put in a large duergar for a secondary damage source.
4) upgrade a chraal or duergar champ to a helmed horror.
All of these come out as pretty reasonable options, in my analysis (which I recognize isn't necessarily the same as others' opinions). If I had a Rakshasa or HBG, I'd include those as other options, but I still don't think they would be clearly superior to the others. | | | |
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Olan
Skirmisher
25 Posts
| | 03/25/2006 1:46 AM |
| You know, one thing that keeps getting downplayed is the +2 to attack values for non-psionics. See, unlike most of LE's commanders, the IL's CFX works for just EVERYONE, just less good then for psionics; besides that there's no situation I could see where getting a +2 attack would be a bad thing, while there are plenty of occasions I could see where most of LE's other CFXs could end up being useless (already high morale saves, building restrictions, etc)... Sure it's not the full thing, but still, +2 attack is always nice.
One other thing you have to take into accoutn is the fact that she's not really meant to be sent to the frontline like you could witha HBG. Personally, I see her more like a commander who will stand back, take a few pot shots, and let the army soften up the opposition. Then the IL waltzes in to finish off wounded creatures thanks to it's nice attack, and the ability to steal life off opposing warriors. In this regard, Ireally liek the way she was designed as it's ability just means your opponent will tend to wait as long as possible to try to engage the IL, thus giving you more time to make it a real threat (obviously, in order to get this to work, you're gonna need some decent enough threats so your opponent doens't focus on her in the first place). | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2023 Posts
Portland OR
| | 03/25/2006 3:47 AM |
| | I pulled her in release and got the most out of her every game (one game didn't use on of her transfers but didn't need to for win)...round one maneuver...two blast away and manuever...three charge something that can't do 30dmg and smite...four wait for opponent to dmg her or AoO away for dmg and then decide what to empathic transfer...five same as four...6+ either deny your opponent her points and make them take AoO's to get to her now that she's "helpless" or keep swinging away realizing by this point your hitters probably moral checked or that each swing at her is one less at them...each round her commander effect works!!! I try to fit her in most of my LE bands since playing around with her...i mean really...she can have 105 hp!!! | |
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BigGeorge
Sneak
73 Posts
| | 03/25/2006 7:36 AM |
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Originally posted by Lord_rock
I pulled her in release and got the most out of her every game (one game didn't use on of her transfers but didn't need to for win)...round one maneuver...two blast away and manuever...three charge something that can't do 30dmg and smite...four wait for opponent to dmg her or AoO away for dmg and then decide what to empathic transfer...five same as four...6+ either deny your opponent her points and make them take AoO's to get to her now that she's "helpless" or keep swinging away realizing by this point your hitters probably moral checked or that each swing at her is one less at them...each round her commander effect works!!! I try to fit her in most of my LE bands since playing around with her...i mean really...she can have 105 hp!!!
Um..i just looked at the card, and the way it reads, I believe she cannot go above her starting HPs. it says it "Heals" her. and i know a cure light wounds can't raise my Hps above max. something i'd have to ask a slightly higher power on i guess.
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BigGeorge
Sneak
73 Posts
| | 03/25/2006 7:41 AM |
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Originally posted by Lord_rock
I pulled her in release and got the most out of her every game (one game didn't use on of her transfers but didn't need to for win)...round one maneuver...two blast away and manuever...three charge something that can't do 30dmg and smite...four wait for opponent to dmg her or AoO away for dmg and then decide what to empathic transfer...five same as four...6+ either deny your opponent her points and make them take AoO's to get to her now that she's "helpless" or keep swinging away realizing by this point your hitters probably moral checked or that each swing at her is one less at them...each round her commander effect works!!! I try to fit her in most of my LE bands since playing around with her...i mean really...she can have 105 hp!!!
Um..i just looked at the card, and the way it reads, I believe she cannot go above her starting HPs. it says it "Heals" her. and i know a cure light wounds can't raise my Hps above max. something i'd have to ask a slightly higher power on i guess.
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ChristopherGroves
Warlord
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Warlord
12476 Posts
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| | 03/25/2006 12:21 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Olan
You know, one thing that keeps getting downplayed is the +2 to attack values for non-psionics. See, unlike most of LE's commanders, the IL's CFX works for just EVERYONE, just less good then for psionics; besides that there's no situation I could see where getting a +2 attack would be a bad thing, while there are plenty of occasions I could see where most of LE's other CFXs could end up being useless (already high morale saves, building restrictions, etc)... Sure it's not the full thing, but still, +2 attack is always nice.
Given the high AC LG and LE heavy metagame these days I would agree with you.
Still, I'm not sure she's constructed material. I see definite value in her for sealed. | |
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 03/25/2006 12:42 PM |
| | I don't thinkk he meant the IL can have 105 hp at once, but that if HET (hostile empathic transfer) gets it's full value (25 hp) both times, the enemy has to chew threw 105 hp total to kill her. | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 03/25/2006 6:39 PM |
| | I completely disagree with you.The liutenant is like the spectre: you need to have a lot of practice to keep them alive.Both of them have a powerful attack that causes damage to your enemy and at the same time heals yourself,allowing you to keep them alive to continue fighting.Indeed,she is not a very good creature,but not so bad.But I agree that sometimes its a matter of luck that you heal or die. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2023 Posts
Portland OR
| | 03/26/2006 4:41 AM |
| I didn't mean she could have 105 hp...just that someone might have to "chew through" that many...without much practice she had 90 at least each time i used her...should be fairly standard with decent piloting...lots of stuff hitting for 15-20 out there and neither can kill her in one round, just got to be careful...i wish her att was a tad higher or her cost a tad lower or even if her sight thing was 25dmg...other than that i love her...she's so solid with so little practice...like stated before (and becoming a trend with LE commanders, and a trend i like) your opponent might be hesitant to send things at her...shuluth is this way too...orog kind of...
plus I don't know if it was errata'd or clarified either but as a touch spell could you target, say, a kobold miner? | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2023 Posts
Portland OR
| | 03/26/2006 4:44 AM |
| I didn't mean she could have 105 hp...just that someone might have to "chew through" that many...without much practice she had 90 at least each time i used her...should be fairly standard with decent piloting...lots of stuff hitting for 15-20 out there and neither can kill her in one round, just got to be careful...i wish her att was a tad higher or her cost a tad lower or even if her sight thing was 25dmg...other than that i love her...she's so solid with so little practice...like stated before (and becoming a trend with LE commanders, and a trend i like) your opponent might be hesitant to send things at her...shuluth is this way too...orog kind of...
plus I don't know if it was errata'd or clarified either but as a touch spell could you target, say, a kobold miner? | |
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JohnnyFive
Warrior
207 Posts
| | 03/26/2006 6:01 PM |
| | Am I going to use her with Chraals? No. Am I going to use her? It's quite possible. Especially if those hoped-for LE Psionic creatures are Tier-1 (or reasonably close to it). As good as the Human Blackguard? In the current environment, no. Still useful as heck? You betcha. | |
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 03/26/2006 9:41 PM |
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If you play her like a Rakshasa, Dark Naga, Human Blackguard or Urthok, you're not playing her correctly. Her abilities are quite different - and require getting her dirty. She must move into melee battle to really be worth her cost. Then, she can offer a few rounds of significant damage.
I agree. I played against a LE Quad variant that used the Inspired Lieutenant as a commander, and that's exactly how she was played: like a melee piece. At first I thought it was a stupid idea, but she actually did quite a bit of damage (she was the last piece my opponent had on the board).
I'd say that if you need a 30-40 point commander for your LE warband, you should think about what you want your commander to do: If you want your commander to sit back and cast spells, use the Rakshasa; If you want you commander to just be a commander with a useful Commander Effect, go with Urthok; If your Chraals need a sturdy commander, use the Human Blackguard. Now, if you need your commander to be a backup melee fighter, you can use the Inspired Lieutenant.
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