Foxman
Sergeant
417 Posts
    
Calgary, AB, Canada
 | | 03/20/2006 6:23 PM |
| There seems to be a possible synergy between DT and BS
What if you add 2 Rikka's? Both DT and BS have move 6 which should be enough to keep the Rikk's under command...
Dark Traveler (43) - for reach
Brass Samurai (56) - for Whirlwind
2 x Rikka (31x2=62)
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4 @ 161
Does this look doable? what else would go well in here with the remaining points(39)?
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It would be very unlikely for unlikely events not to occur.
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 03/20/2006 6:27 PM |
| Problem A, Rikka is unique, you cant have 2.
Problem B, I think it has been ruled that the CFX's wont "stack" like that. | |
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mabb
Skirmisher
4 Posts
| | 03/20/2006 6:29 PM |
| | That would be a great combo..... BUT The only way you can have whirlwind with reach is if the mini has reach 2 (or more) listed on the card. Dark traveler / Brass Sam will not give whirlwind with reach 2. This is stated in the Wardrums rulebook in the glossary under "Whirlwind Attack". Would have been nice tho. | |
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NinjaRay
Warrior
268 Posts
| | 03/20/2006 6:31 PM |
| | Why won't CFX stack? I think you pay too much for both the dark traveler and Brass Sam, so I'm not too worried it you can't stack. However, I have no Idea why you would not be able to. | |
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frogrodeo
Sergeant
706 Posts
| | 03/20/2006 6:32 PM |
| It would seem that that is the may the CFX would work, but Guy has ruled that it doesn't work like that./
Here is the thread on the WoTC forums:
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=605500 | |
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 03/20/2006 6:38 PM |
| I like the idea, but I have to tell you the more I play with Rikkas the less I like them. Their level is so low that they route or fall victim to stuns and paralyze effects. I think as a back up beater/ flanker/ commander and wardrummer assassinator, they are better used.
However, as your main beaters I dont think this band will last very long. Problem is your best commander rating is a 4 from the BS. Assuming your Rikka's are under command they moral save at a 9. They have less than a 50% chance not to route. Furthermore, if you play against a wardrummer your Rikkas save at a 5.
The dice odds are against you. I like the concept just dont think its feasible, but hey have fun! | |
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Foxman
Sergeant
417 Posts
Calgary, AB, Canada
| | 03/20/2006 6:55 PM |
| Well boo.
Thanks Low Key - had a mental gap and forgot that Rikka is unique (sigh).
And thanks frogrodeo for providing that link too...
and curses to you both for spoiling my fun! ;) | |
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PerpetualStudent
Sneak
173 Posts
| | 03/20/2006 7:50 PM |
| | Now, if I could just figure out how to get the Brass Sam and my chain devils together... | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 03/20/2006 7:53 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PerpetualStudent
Now, if I could just figure out how to get the Brass Sam and my chain devils together...
Well first the Chain Devil needs to take a bath and properly groom himself. He should then approach the Brass Sam and make some small talk over a cup of coffee or an alcoholic beverage if that is her cup of tea. Finally after sufficient chit chat, he should decide if persuing her is worth it. He then says "Hey this was fun, would you like to get together and do it again some time." If she shares his sentiment of "fun" then she will say yes, and youve gotten them together. | |
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frogrodeo
Sergeant
706 Posts
| | 03/20/2006 10:57 PM |
| | Aesoph, that sounds like a really bad spoof of a 1950s how-to film on courting a lady..... heheheh. So, , I would also add that he should put a decent pair of overalls and a clean white t-shirt on. [)] | |
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CTSparky
Sneak
128 Posts
| | 03/21/2006 1:42 PM |
| I think the chain devil would need to cloth himself. Might I recommend a polo shirt and pair of Khakis complete with dock shoes? And of course he would need to shine up that bald head of his.
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 03/21/2006 1:49 PM |
| | Maybe the "Brass" Samurai likes all that metal. It works for her. This dude has the metal going on! | |
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Thespian
Sergeant
442 Posts
Lethbridge, Alberta
| | 03/21/2006 2:20 PM |
| I think that these CmdFX should work together. I know it has be "ruled" on...but that is a lot of points to spend for a combo to work. You can only fit one Frenzied Berzerker in there....would it be a broken warband if it was included like this? Take a look at the Aspect of Kord and the Brass....together they cost less and do more damage....in fact you can have TWO aspects of Kord, plus filler with the Brass.
Would this be THAT bad if they did stack? What would be the game-breaking concern?
If A guy wanted to do this (in a weaker faction expecially), I think it should be allowed. | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 03/21/2006 2:48 PM |
| It hasn't been "ruled" on at all. It's in black and white in the rule book itself. See "Whirlwind Attack" in the Wardrums glossary
This isn't some oddball off-the-cuff decision by Guy in a vain attempt to stifle the overpowering dominance of the Brass Sam/Dark Traveller warband, it's a printed rule in the book that doesn't leave a whole lot of room to be misread.
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frogrodeo
Sergeant
706 Posts
| | 03/21/2006 2:57 PM |
| | And we all know that the rulebook is so well written and clear that everything written in it does not need clarification.... riiiiigght | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 03/21/2006 3:32 PM |
| From the Glossary
quote:
Whirlwind Attack (On its turn, if this creature moves no more than 1 square, it can make a
separate melee attack against each enemy creature within its Melee Reach) Entering difficult
terrain or being slowed in some other fashion prevents using Whirlwind Attack. This ability
replaces a creature’s attacks. If a creature has no Melee Reach listed on its stat card, it can
attack each adjacent enemy once.
I don't know how much clearer that can be. Honestly. | |
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Thespian
Sergeant
442 Posts
Lethbridge, Alberta
| | 03/21/2006 4:08 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by kgradert13
From the Glossary
quote:
Whirlwind Attack (On its turn, if this creature moves no more than 1 square, it can make a
separate melee attack against each enemy creature within its Melee Reach) Entering difficult
terrain or being slowed in some other fashion prevents using Whirlwind Attack. This ability
replaces a creature’s attacks. If a creature has no Melee Reach listed on its stat card, it can
attack each adjacent enemy once.
I don't know how much clearer that can be. Honestly.
I wasn't trying to put some sort of fault at Guy's feet here. He does a great job making this game playable.
Wherever the decision was made, it was obviously a very concious one. I am curious as to what the game designers (or whoever) intentions were in saying that this type of combo should not happen.
It doesn't seem unbalancing. It does seem contrary to what basic intuition might tell you. It seems like the combo SHOULD work. Someone, somewhere added that bolded sentance into the rulebook for a reason - I assume the reason for which was to ensure the competative health of the game.
My question is ... why did it have to be that way? There must be a logical explaination that shows that it would clearly be a bad idea for the darktraveller to give your warband Melee reach 2, and then having a Brass Sam give your guys whilrwind attack. It seems like a fun warband - not a broken one.
Maybe someone playtested it and it was broken....I don't know....
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 03/21/2006 4:28 PM |
| No idea. It's not something I would ever really play, so I don't think about it much.
If you are playing for fun, by all means, play it the way a number ofpeople feel it should work. Fun should take precedence over the letter of the rules in fun games at home. | |
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snafu
Skirmisher
28 Posts
| | 03/21/2006 4:41 PM |
| So if a tiny creature with no reach
such as a Thorn gets under command of Brass Sam
it cannot use Whirlwind Attack correct? | |
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frogrodeo
Sergeant
706 Posts
| | 03/21/2006 4:58 PM |
| | If the Whirlwind glossary wording was in fact intentional it could have been worded better - it would help to avoid confusion. If the design team had a different intent, then the rule could be clarified. Hmmm.... maybe a rule clarification could help eliminate the confusion? | |
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Thespian
Sergeant
442 Posts
Lethbridge, Alberta
| | 03/21/2006 5:26 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by snafu
So if a tiny creature with no reach
such as a Thorn gets under command of Brass Sam
it cannot use Whirlwind Attack correct?
A tiny creature has regular reach...just NOT for attacks of opportunity. | |
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