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Kire
Skirmisher
29 Posts
    
 | | 03/23/2006 8:34 AM |
| Medium size (not large) for added mobility
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Cost 35pts (not 42) for improved efficiency
would ppl like/use him more? | |
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orcmonk220
Underboss
1608 Posts
| | 03/23/2006 8:37 AM |
| | I dunno. I think one major problem is mounted melee attack is featured, but not melee reach. It makes attacks of opportunity a terrible problem. | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 03/23/2006 8:46 AM |
| | Yeah, if Mounted Melee Attack didn't provoke an attack of opertunity figures with it would be used a lot more. Even if they had given him Mobility.... | | | |
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aron1
Sergeant
415 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 2:36 PM |
| Heh. The thread title made me think of some bad Star Trek cartoons that I saw on the internets one day...
To answer your question, I would expect that reducing the cost of ANY mini would result in a greater frequency of its use. Reducing the size might help some, too, but would probably make the model look a bit funny. | |
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Aesnath
Underboss
1358 Posts
Augusta, GA
| | 03/24/2006 6:21 PM |
| | I don't know, as it stands, Snig is kinda bad on many, many different levels. The mounted melee attack just doesn't make sense on such a fragile critter with attacks that deal 10 damage a pop. Add to that a price that compares to the best commanders LE has to offer and a commander rating that blows chunks, along with a commander effect that only helps fodder in his faction, and now fodder is alot less useful, and I'm not sure I'd use him at 25 points as listed. If I had to fix him, I'd up his commander rating to 4, add at least 2 AC points, bump his attack by +4, and around +5 damage, add at least 2 levels, add around 20 hp, and he'd be neat. Then he functions as a unique commander, who is a solid beater besides. He's still not great when compared to units like the Human Black guard or Rakshasa, but he'd have some staying power, and your getting something for the 42 you drop on him. | |
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warty_nosed_goblin
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 11:03 PM |
| | He could be fairly useful in 100pts (although it is basically dead) as his HP goes a lot farther there, and having a warband that's got an extra 12% is fairly potent as well. It's just a pity that there isn't some better small pieces out there for him to boost, since as it is you're basically stuck with kobold champions... | |
Call me: W.N. Gobo!
originally posted by grim:
While he is clearly insane, he does have a point. | |
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 03/25/2006 12:07 AM |
| Snig, Worf Rider?
That's a mental image I didn't want. | |
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Olan
Skirmisher
25 Posts
| | 03/25/2006 1:30 AM |
| | Sure, if he was more like a Duergar Champ, I'd gladly play him. Oh what the heck, let's just play a Duergar Champ instead... | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5103 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 03/25/2006 3:46 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by aron1
Reducing the size might help some, too, but would probably make the model look a bit funny.
A medium goblin on a large worg *doesn't* look funny [?][?][?]
Comparing Snig mounted and unmounted:
Mounted Snig = just over twice as expensive
Mounted Snig = Commander Rating is 1 point higher
Mounted Snig = Same Commander Effect
Mounted Snig = worse activation control (2 fodder pieces (totaling 12pts vs. 3 totaling 9pts)
Mounted Snig = NO ranged attack
Mounted Snig = twice as many hit points
Mounted Snig = marginally better save/AC
So, for more than twice the number of points you're losing an activation and ranged attack and gaining a slight improvement to melee attacks and a better speed.
My next comparison is out of faction so somewhat unfair but.....
Compared to the Mounted Drow Patrol Snig on Worg is even less attractive: they're pretty comparable EXCEPT:
MDP Costs 15 points less
MDP has Conceal
MDP has Melee Reach (making Mounted Combat useful)
MDP has Spell Resistance
MDP has Wall Walker
Snig has minions and a crappy commander effect
Fixing Snig would require something like giving him Melee Reach, Mobility, better activation control (3 minion limit) and/or a better commander effect/better commander rating. Without melee reach he's pointless (other than as a fragile, over-priced VP grabber).
Alas, poor Snig. How the mighty have fallen. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2023 Posts
Portland OR
| | 03/25/2006 3:56 AM |
| | I see no reason to play him what so ever...terrible terrible terrible design on that piece...feels like one that was "ohh they want a goblin on worg and this piece we playtested didn't work out sculptwise so just toss snig in there"...really that's what I thought...i'll be happy when they release his epic stats and we can all go "now that's more like it"...he'll only cost 5 more and have way more HP, AC, and improved mobility, hit harder, more minions...it'll be great... | |
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Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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