striderlotr
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 | | 03/27/2006 2:54 PM |
| Here are a few bands I'm looking over. Please offer up some advice and/or rip them apart. I need something for a game and I want something different then I've played recently.
Monks:
Couatl
Young Master
Gith Monk x3
Warforged Scout
Hill Dwarf
7 activations, 200 points
Inspired Beaters:
Inspired Lieutenant
Snig the Axe
Helm Horror
Duergar Champ x2
Large Duergar
Duergar
Kobald Miner
Goblin Skirmisher x3
11 activations, 198 points
CG???
Ryld
AoKord
Wemic Barbarian
Graycloak Ranger
Timber Wolf
Xeph Warriors x4
9 Activations, 200 points
2 for CE
Death Slaad x2
Ogre Ravager
Mounted Drow Patrol
Teifling Captain
Orc Warrior
Orc Spearfighter
7 activations, 200 points
or
Teifling Blademaster
Eye of Gruumsh
Orc Champ x2
Ogre Ravager
Orc Spear Fighter x2
Orc Warrior
8 activations, 200 points | |
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striderlotr
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3370 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 9:01 PM |
| | What no one can help a fellow gamer out... | |
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muselindeman
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133 Posts
USA
| | 03/27/2006 9:09 PM |
| I like inspired beaters.
W/ Marute (sp?) and helmed horror, the monks have either good games or very Baaad games.
Cg looks weak- Ryld should never be one of your two best beaters.
Death Slaad and Raveger will rip CG and CE bands, but against high ac - not so good.
The last one is a standard, solid beater, but why not add the orc drummer? It is the new Couatl for CE.
have fun [)]
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JohnnyFive
Warrior
207 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 9:28 PM |
| I think your best bets are with the LG band and the Tiefling/Wardrummer band.
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 9:33 PM |
| High AC bands get hosed by the 2 Chaos hammers.
I still prefer the Dual Death/Blue Slaad version, for that extra Hammer, but I can see that vs CE beaters, that the extra 20 damage possible a round might help. However, +10/+5 for 30 is only as good as your rolling, compared to +15/+15 for 20, even vs AC15.
That being said, that would be my choice of bands to run from the above.
The LE band would be better I think, sans Inspired Lt, replaced with one of the other similar costed LE commanders.
CG just...isn't very viable currently. AoK and Brass Sam seems to be the most competitive, (although Beserkers can still be dangerous)
LG has it's good and bad matchups...good...CE w/out Wardrummer, bad...Marut, HH, and then somewhat even would be CE w/ wardrummer | |
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Janos M.
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| | 03/28/2006 2:11 AM |
| I think the Monks are your best warband. To all people saying Marut is a bad matchup... (just watchout the Monks shred you in pieces)
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striderlotr
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3370 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 8:34 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by muselindeman
I like inspired beaters.
W/ Marute (sp?) and helmed horror, the monks have either good games or very Baaad games.
Cg looks weak- Ryld should never be one of your two best beaters.
Death Slaad and Raveger will rip CG and CE bands, but against high ac - not so good.
The last one is a standard, solid beater, but why not add the orc drummer? It is the new Couatl for CE.
have fun [)]
Well the last band with the big beaters would be great with the wardrummer, but I currently don't have one. I was thinking it would be great, but not in my collection yet.
The LE band was the one I liked, but I was not sure how it would hold up. | |
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striderlotr
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3370 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 8:35 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyFive
I think your best bets are with the LG band and the Tiefling/Wardrummer band.
I need a wardrummer to pull that off. I know it is a good piece, but I need to find one. | |
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striderlotr
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3370 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 8:41 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Janos M.
I think the Monks are your best warband. To all people saying Marut is a bad matchup... (just watchout the Monks shred you in pieces)
The monks give LG one thing they really need and that is speed. They can out manouver a Marut and force the battle to take place where they want it. Or they can ignore the Marut and go after other pieces. I'm just not sure they are a sold Tier 1 or not, or if I should try something else out. | |
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striderlotr
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3370 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 8:51 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by kgradert13
The LE band would be better I think, sans Inspired Lt, replaced with one of the other similar costed LE commanders.
CG just...isn't very viable currently. AoK and Brass Sam seems to be the most competitive, (although Beserkers can still be dangerous)
LG has it's good and bad matchups...good...CE w/out Wardrummer, bad...Marut, HH, and then somewhat even would be CE w/ wardrummer
The only similiar costed commanders are the Blackguard for one point more, and Ogre Mage for one point less.
The Blackgaurd has a slower speed, slightly better first attack and worse second attack. The BG has a smite good while the inspired has a smite and for more damage. The BG does have a cure wounds, but the Inpsired has empathic transfer touch to cause damage and heal herself.
The Ogre Mage just does not have what I'm looking for. Almost everything is lower, except for damage, which in non magical. The spells are nice, but the DCs are low meaning many will be missed.
Just trying to think up some new bands. Thanks for the discussion. | |
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XAos
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2403 Posts
London
| | 03/28/2006 9:01 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
CE
Death Slaad x2
Ogre Ravager
Mounted Drow Patrol
Teifling Captain
Orc Warrior
Orc Spearfighter
7 activations, 200 points
That looks the strongest, try replacing the Mounted drow by a couple of Cursed Spirits to improve the DC checks on the death slaads.
And a Timberwolf would be a much better tile grabber than the Orc Spearfighter. Also it's stun attack is a noticable threat against opposing low-AC beatstiks (FB's Orc champs etc) Well as "noticable" as it gets for a 5pt figure... | |
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striderlotr
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3370 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 9:13 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by XAos
quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
CE
Death Slaad x2
Ogre Ravager
Mounted Drow Patrol
Teifling Captain
Orc Warrior
Orc Spearfighter
7 activations, 200 points
That looks the strongest, try replacing the Mounted drow by a couple of Cursed Spirits to improve the DC checks on the death slaads.
And a Timberwolf would be a much better tile grabber than the Orc Spearfighter. Also it's stun attack is a noticable threat against opposing low-AC beatstiks (FB's Orc champs etc) Well as "noticable" as it gets for a 5pt figure...
This one stuck in my head for a couple of reasons. 1 - the two chaos hammers to attept to hurt a bunch in each shot. Also the fire resistnance of the Ravager in case you need some front line protection for fire (gauth, elf pyromancer, etc). The reason I went with the MDP was for the free safe drive by attack. Hitting from reach two while moving and moving back is really interesting especially on a map like the outpost.
The timber wolf is a good idea though, thanks! | |
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PatEllis15
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| | 03/28/2006 9:37 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyFive
I think your best bets are with the LG band and the Tiefling/Wardrummer band.
I need a wardrummer to pull that off. I know it is a good piece, but I need to find one.
Hmmmm I think I know someone who has one.... Bring your trade bait this weekend!
FYI: the "local" meta has included mostly LE and LG bands (and no monks) of course, things change...
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striderlotr
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3370 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 9:48 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyFive
I think your best bets are with the LG band and the Tiefling/Wardrummer band.
I need a wardrummer to pull that off. I know it is a good piece, but I need to find one.
Hmmmm I think I know someone who has one.... Bring your trade bait this weekend!
FYI: the "local" meta has included mostly LE and LG bands (and no monks) of course, things change...
Pat E
Is that local including Wardrums??? Well I know the big talk has been the Marut with body guard and as always the HH and Chraal. So I was trying something new, but attempting to keep it tier 1. | |
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PatEllis15
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| | 03/28/2006 10:14 AM |
| quote:
Is that local including Wardrums??? Well I know the big talk has been the Marut with body guard and as always the HH and Chraal. So I was trying something new, but attempting to keep it tier 1.
That is pre wardrums... But there was a lot of fascination with Marut's, and all the various LE combo's. Hard to imaginet hat everyone is going to be playing Wardrummer variants (though I'm sure we will see some.).
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striderlotr
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3370 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 11:05 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
quote:
Is that local including Wardrums??? Well I know the big talk has been the Marut with body guard and as always the HH and Chraal. So I was trying something new, but attempting to keep it tier 1.
That is pre wardrums... But there was a lot of fascination with Marut's, and all the various LE combo's. Hard to imaginet hat everyone is going to be playing Wardrummer variants (though I'm sure we will see some.).
Pat E
Well it is hard to look past several of the WD pieces espeically the bodyguard in LG and the drummer in CE I'm sure we will see several builds including each of those per faction. | |
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