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AsmodeusDM
Skirmisher
13 Posts
    
 | | 03/27/2006 6:58 PM |
| Are there are any officially banned minis? and if so why?
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zdrake
Warrior
279 Posts
Albany, CA (near Berkeley)
| | 03/27/2006 7:11 PM |
| The Drider Sorcerer from Giants of Legend is banned from DCI sanctioned play.
Why was it banned? Officially, because it doesn't match the flavor of its faction (CE) and its transposition spell slowed games down because of the number of possibilities that had to be considered.
Many people also felt that at 30 points, it was WAY under-costed. I think 7 of the top 8 bands at the 200-point constructed championship at Gen Con Indy 2004 had a drider sorcerer in them. | |
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JohnnyFive
Warrior
207 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 7:11 PM |
| | At this time, only one exists- the Drider Sorcerer from Giants of Legend. The reason why primarily revolves around the spell Baleful Transposition (range 6, any 2 creatures trade positions, DC 13), which many skillful players (most notably, 2004 DDM Champion and fellow Maxminis member Kiddoc) used to move creatures farther ahead than they might normally be able to in a round, swapping one costly, vulnerable piece with a cheaper fodder piece, or many other possibilities. Also, the fact that the Drider was usually used 2 or 3 to a warband, matches using such warbands often slowed down to a crawl. So, due to the pervasive effectiveness of the piece combined with the fact that it gave Chaotic Evil an unprecidented advantages over the other factions, the Drider was banned last year. | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 7:33 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by zdrake
The Drider Sorcerer from Giants of Legend is banned from DCI sanctioned play.
Why was it banned? Officially, because it doesn't match the flavor of its faction (CE) and its transposition spell slowed games down because of the number of possibilities that had to be considered.
Many people also felt that at 30 points, it was WAY under-costed. I think 7 of the top 8 bands at the 200-point constructed championship at Gen Con Indy 2004 had a drider sorcerer in them.
Or the more amusing stat, there were more Driders in the top eight than there were players.
Beyond being undercosted, it slowed the game-play down tremendously. | |
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Newtoncain
Commander
2985 Posts
Land of 10,000 taxes
| | 03/27/2006 9:09 PM |
| Bring back the drider. Currently w/ maps and 8 figs I find most of my games do not go to time. I miss the 3 turns in an hour battles.[:p]
But really, they chose to ban the fig rather than to errata it. JUst removing that nasty spell and its 3 spell slots would have done the trick. | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 9:10 PM |
| Well Ian was joking that the Crucian might be banned as EVERYONE has one... even a repainted one.
So maybe we can get a ruling from Ian... [:)][:D][:)][:D] | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1366 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 9:47 PM |
| | The Drider Sorcerer is tournament legal in Epic play. | | | |
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CTSparky
Sneak
128 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 10:24 PM |
| | say what??!! Is that a DCI ruling? | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 11:29 PM |
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Originally posted by johnny.quest
The Drider Sorcerer is tournament legal in Epic play.
No, it is not. Is is banned from DCI sanctioned play, 100, 200 and 500. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2023 Posts
Portland OR
| | 03/27/2006 11:42 PM |
| "out of flavor" was a good one too...i agree though...someone did the comparison of giving LE the drider and LG the inspiring marshal and most agreed that it was a good and fun thing...front loaded dmg is just so hard to overcome at 60dmg a round vs 15...Drider needed to be banned for many reasons...out of flavor, too many spell choices, hp/genral toughness and caster, slowing games, out balancing factions...the list goes on...
i see orc champ going next...especially since wardrummer came out... | |
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Kithmaker
Commander
3926 Posts
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1366 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 12:07 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Gunthar
quote:
Originally posted by johnny.quest
The Drider Sorcerer is tournament legal in Epic play.
No, it is not. Is is banned from DCI sanctioned play, 100, 200 and 500.
Ah, I guess they changed that. When the new floor rules came out, the Drider was banned only from 200 point constructed. Thanks for the correction. | | | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
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