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Originally posted by ChristopherGroves

Given the fact that one of the HGBs is going to eat 90 damage and 3 DC 18 stun saves, you're looking at a whole mess of saves to be stunned or run away. Once stunned, I could easily see a stun loop ...and if it routs, even better.

But then, that giant is MCing the monks in one hit, so the monk player is going to have to be VERY careful with placement. The giants have reach which puts them at an advantage in the engagement distance arena.

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Originally posted by BoloBaby
I think the counter to HGB lies in wasting the Orc Wardrummer as early as possible.

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Originally posted by Olan

Call me dense, but GAS???

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Originally posted by Olan

Call me dense, but GAS???

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Originally posted by Olan

Call me dense, but GAS???

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Originally posted by Kithmaker

I've been wracking my brain for solid hitters that could reliably take on HGBs, and the Hill Giant from Archfiends struck me as a possibility.

It has a reasonable chance to hit. It would force a morale check on the HGB in two hits (and vice versa, but the Hill Giant has +4 on the save to begin with). The Difficult 5 puts a kink in the works, but he -can- be put under command if you work at it.

Orc Druid for Snake's Swiftness, and you're in business.

Or am I just reaching here?

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Originally posted by Fenris

I think if you're trying to beat HGB with oldskool Hill Giants, you need to do it without the Drow Cleric of Lolth. Difficult isn't much of a drawback nowadays, and your morale save is already +16 with the Wardrummer alone.

So you could try to outnumber the HGB, like this:

Hill Giant x 3
Wardrummer
Orc Warrior x 4

But that's a little silly, because you won't win many games against anything with AC20+ really.

So maybe:

Hill Giant x 2
Orc Druid x 2
Wardrummer
(old) Troglodyte x 2
Orc Warrior

Now you've got a fighting chance against a lot of stuff, with each Hill Giant hitting at +12(40) with pushback & cleave, twice a round, if you can get a flank on a living enemy with the Trogs.

Still very high variance though. High AC is still a bummer. I have to admit, I just want to use my old Hill Giants again. [:)]

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Originally posted by Dagni

I don't know that the band can really afford the second Orc Druid, either. Or rather, it might be slightly better to take out, and get a ton of Cursed Spirits / Trog Thugs.

Specifically:

2 Hill Giants
Orc Druid
Wardrummer
2 Cursed Spirits
2 Trog Thugs

The prior band would get maybe one +12 swing all game, perhaps several at +10, but after the opponent wisely kills the trogs with little effort, all the remaining attacks at +8. This band could +10 easily in many ways, often get +12, and is in no real danger of losing the support that makes that possible.

- Dagni

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