Blunt Claymore
Sneak
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 | | 05/10/2006 12:41 AM |
| Explain to me why this isn't stupid nomenclature? Isn't a Round also what people use to describe their various games in a tournament -- round 1, round 2, 4 rounds of swiss, etc? Furthermore, doesn't turn become redundant with activation? On Zombie's turn he moans is the same as on Zombie's activation he moans, except that activation is the terminology used on cards. What gives?
Why not:
Round = game in a tournament
Turn = one player's turn
Activation = 1 figure's activation
That is, tournaments have rounds, players have turns, and figures have activations. Butta-bing, butta-boom. Oh, and fewer people are shamed... or is that the point? | |
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guyf
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545 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 2:13 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Blunt Claymore
Explain to me why this isn't stupid nomenclature?
Because the existing terminlogy makes a good amount of sense and has history behind it.
(If you had said "is ideal nomenclature" instead of "isn't stupid nomenclature," I might agree with you. But if you're calling it stupid, I refuse to agree with you.)
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Isn't a Round also what people use to describe their various games in a tournament -- round 1, round 2, 4 rounds of swiss, etc?
Yes, that's why I am also careful to use "swiss round" and "game round" to distinguish them when they're both being used at the same time. (This is also what the DDM floor rules does.) Sometimes, I say "match" instead of "swiss round," when the context allows it.
But that's irrelevant to the point of this thread. Folks don't make the round/turn mistake in relation to swiss rounds. They make the mistake in the context of game rounds.
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Furthermore, doesn't turn become redundant with activation?
Yes, mostly. Activations and turns are basically the same thing. This many not be true forever, though. Star Wars Minis (which is a very similar game, particularly in the terminology department) has some abilities that grant immediate turns to other characters; these turns are not activations for those characters. So a distinction between activations and turns may someday be important for DDM.
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Why not:
Round = game in a tournament
Turn = one player's turn
Activation = 1 figure's activation
That is, [b]tournaments have rounds, players have turns, and figures have activations.
Because we are already entrenched. There are far too many cards with "turn" (including "its turn") and "activation" printed on them to change those definitions now. | |
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 2:52 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by guyf
Because we are already entrenched.
Could be worse- Look at the RPG:
"My 5th level magic-user cast a 2nd level spell on the 1st level of the dungeon and went up a level." [)] | | | |
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NeonKnight
Skirmisher
6 Posts
| | 05/11/2006 1:00 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by mordantos
quote:
Originally posted by guyf
Because we are already entrenched.
Could be worse- Look at the RPG:
"My 5th level magic-user cast a 2nd level spell on the 1st level of the dungeon and went up a level." [)]
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guyf
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| | 05/16/2006 12:33 AM |
| BoloBaby is the first double-inductee to the Hall of Shame!
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| | 05/19/2006 12:56 PM |
| Bombur enters the Hall of Shame!
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guyf
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545 Posts
| | 05/22/2006 1:08 AM |
| Zippy enters the Hall of Shame in this thread:
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Low Key
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1231 Posts
| | 05/22/2006 2:34 AM |
| | This thread is suspiciously good for Guyf's post count. [:p] | |
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guyf
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545 Posts
| | 05/22/2006 7:36 PM |
| In the grand scheme of things, my post count here is irrelevant. I have 30 times as many on the WotC boards [)]
Anyway, Shadow_Fox enters the Hall of Shame in the article mentioned here:
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Shadow_Fox
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| | 05/22/2006 8:01 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by guyf
In the grand scheme of things, my post count here is irrelevant. I have 30 times as many on the WotC boards [)]
Anyway, Shadow_Fox enters the Hall of Shame in the article mentioned here:
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Faragdar the Wise
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| | 05/23/2006 10:36 PM |
| Zenthrus, welcome to the Hall of Shame!:
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20486
Hey, guy said anyone can add entries, so there you go.  | |
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| | 05/24/2006 12:01 AM |
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Gnolaum
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| | 05/26/2006 4:17 PM |
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trollbill
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176 Posts
| | 05/26/2006 5:00 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Gnolaum
Honestly, carrots work sometimes, sticks are great, but carrot and stick works best.
If an article/post is corrected within a day or two they should be removed. That may be too much work, but I think it is a good idea.
Really, it's not that bad. The 'shame' induced by Guy on this is mostly good-natured prodding and is starting to turn into a badge of honor. I am a founding member of his Hall of Shame on Wizard's Boards and I am not offended by it. I appreciate his desire to make sure we all use the same terminology and, as an author of DDM articles, it is especially important for me to avoid these mistakes.
Of course, Guy now gets an opportunity to look at my work before it's published now, so if I end up in the Hall of Shame again, I can just blame it on him. [:D] | |
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Wayne
Underboss
1371 Posts
| | 05/27/2006 11:45 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by trollbill
Of course, Guy now gets an opportunity to look at my work before it's published now, so if I end up in the Hall of Shame again, I can just blame it on him.
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3525 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 06/05/2006 9:23 PM |
| Low Key, welcome to the Hall of Shame!: http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21092
See, by me posting this, I'm just trying to keep Guy from shamelessly inflating his post count. [)]
Looks like kumaiti joins the hall of shame on the same thread, and lantern314, too! Wow, that's quite a thread. [:0] | |
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Low Key
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1231 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 4:54 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Faragdar the Wise
Low Key, welcome to the Hall of Shame!: http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21092
See, by me posting this, I'm just trying to keep Guy from shamelessly inflating his post count. [)]
Looks like kumaiti joins the hall of shame on the same thread, and lantern314, too! Wow, that's quite a thread. [:0]
At least I have an execuse. It was 2am! I was tired! I type too fast. *sob* [B)] | |
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ckissee
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| | 06/07/2006 3:14 PM |
| So if I were to take my turn and use my first activation of the round to take a turn with my Cleric and activate the Cleric so that he turns around and activates a turn attempt against an undead (formerly) Dire Tern in the first round of the tournament, and I successfully make my turn roll, is the Tern still around?
And even more importantly, does this qualify for the Hall? | |
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Fry
Underboss
1724 Posts
| | 06/15/2006 12:46 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ckissee
So if I were to take my turn and use my first activation of the round to take a turn with my Cleric and activate the Cleric so that he turns around and activates a turn attempt against an undead (formerly) Dire Tern in the first round of the tournament, and I successfully make my turn roll, is the Tern still around?
And even more importantly, does this qualify for the Hall?
Actually, I think you take your phase, not your turn.
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guyf
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545 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 7:49 PM |
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Gnolaum
Sergeant
854 Posts
| | 06/21/2006 10:42 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by guyf
Gnolaum enters the Hall of Shame!
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21766
You actually got me once before, but never entered me into the list. | |
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Faragdar the Wise
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| | 08/11/2006 8:14 PM |
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Pauper
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508 Posts
| | 10/26/2006 8:44 AM |
| Add the DDM designers to the Hall of Shame!
From Guy's Clarifications for Blood War:
(10/26/2006) Harmonium Guard (Blood War: LG, 8/60): The Commander Effect should say "round" instead of "turn."
Somehow I don't feel so bad now...
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CTSparky
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128 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 1:43 PM |
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Ryoga
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| | 11/01/2006 9:37 AM |
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Azalin
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76 Posts
| | 11/19/2006 6:14 AM |
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Posted By Wayne on 03/29/2006 6:52 PM quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
I think this is perhaps the finest verb I've seen in a long time.
I've been guyf'd.
I will be guyf'ing tomorrow.
Folks here in San Francisco have been using that expression (or variations on it) for a long time.
I think you mean "kifed", which means getting screwed over.
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greyhaze
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| | 01/16/2007 3:27 PM |
| | I take it this hall of shame has started over, or someone forgot to enter me from last year... mwhhahahaha, you'll never catch me now! | |
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nijineko
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3 Posts
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| | 02/28/2007 9:09 AM |
| A turn is a single creature's activation.
A round is where both players roll initiative and then alternate taking phases of two activations each. When all creatures have activated once, the round ends.
having played d&d for almost 20 years, trying to make my reflexes accept that a creature can AoO more than once a "round" is making my head hurt. ^^ i keep trying to use 'draw AoO' tactics and failing. =P | |
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