Vrecknidj
Warlord
10446 Posts
    
United States
 | | 03/29/2006 5:45 PM |
| So, we're all headed into qualifier season, so it's time to start lying about what bands we're testing, and lying about what bands we're seeing lots of at our local venues.
[:)]
So, what's got you jittery? Tired of facing all those Marut bands?
I, for one, am a little tired of Helmed Horrors (won't stop me from playing them though).
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Felagund
Sergeant
922 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 5:49 PM |
| GFD
Dragonne x3
Fear the low attack bonuses!
(you said to lie, right?) [:)] | |
Champion of Gnomes | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 5:51 PM |
| The Grell/Warpriest of Hextor bands have been kicking my butt.
Dual Gulgars with a lIon of Talsid also...dangerous!
(and yes,people really do play those) | |
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 5:51 PM |
| All those Ochre Jelly warbands scare me. Strikeback is just so powerful! You can't attack them without being attacked back! The worst part is they are wandering monsters and get victory points so easily!
R~ | |
Champion of the Titan
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Successful trades with: Tickparasite, Iyceman, Faragdar The Wise's friend, avrivah, Drakkengi, brucemc, Krush, maniacal_mini_monger, hung4treason, Gandy, NarlethDrider, Kunimatyu, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah..... | |
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scruffydude7
Underboss
1196 Posts
Rock Hill, SC
| | 03/29/2006 5:58 PM |
| I'm going to be running an Aspect of Kord, Moon Elf Fighter, Crow Shaman x3 Warband, and with it I will swat the competition aside with impunity.
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Champion of the Revenant
Knight of the Elf Duskblade
Complete Trades: Oni, Kidkach, Melrune, callidusx3 | |
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frogrodeo
Sergeant
706 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 5:58 PM |
| I heard one guy was going to run a Taer One band.... 7 Tears and some secret commander... I'm sooooo scared. To counter I was thinking of a Wrackspawn point denial band... hmmmmm...
@Robbdaman - hey man, don't knock the Ochre Jelly, it is powerful! One of them buggers scored two crits on me in the last tournament - one against each HGB! I am definitely fearing the Ochre Jelly Tier one band: OJ x4, Red Sam x2, Tiefling Captain: Better known Evil Red Jelly. | |
Champion of Remorhaz, and the Mighty Goblin Frog Riders | |
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 6:00 PM |
| You may all lagh now, but CG will win Nationals this year. It won't win a single qualifier (though it may crack the top 4), but WotDQ will boost the elves and wizards right to the top!
(Why not, it happened to LE last year...) | |
Champion of the Entire Monster Manual 1!
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Uncommon Painting Competition 2 Winner | |
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Pegasus Knight
Sergeant
896 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 6:47 PM |
| "Why not?" -- To be cynical, but logically falliable, "Because they haven't done it yet."
To be more fun about it: "Why not? Because if CG becomes top tier, then I won't be able to scream 'Low Tier Beastings!' when I win." | |
- Irrationally Fanatical Champion of Pegasus-mounted cavalry
- Proud member of Team Low Tier Beasting: I play CG as my main faction!
- Garland, TX 2006 Qualifier Champion
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 6:48 PM |
| Oh believe me I've thrown down more Ochre Jellies in recent past than most people have played ever. I use them often mostly because they are annoying for my opponent and way fun for me. It's the only warband I've played that I take as many AOOs as possible so I can strike back. On occasion my opponent won't take the AOO which is even funnier. The variations of warbands they fit in are numerous. Helmed Horrors and Ochre Jellies is a nice pairing. Lich Necro and Jellies is a nice combo too. What I really need is an Oozemaster! I have played 5 of the oozes in a game easily but it's still pretty iffy. Low attack bonuses are rough. Still they as I said are a ton of fun to play.
R~ | |
Champion of the Titan
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Knight of the
Round Table
Thenameless
Warlord
11768 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 03/29/2006 7:19 PM |
| | Helmed Horrors still make me jittery. It's such a well-balanced piece to bring to a tournament. | |
Over 270 successful online DDM trades. | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 7:29 PM |
| | Hill Giant Barbarbarians. They are scary. | |
I am not gone. | |
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RRedlund
Sneak
54 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 9:08 PM |
| | Scariest of all..... Iron Golem and Double Couatl.... | |
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Grey Dragon
Sneak
75 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 9:44 PM |
| The ultimate point-denial band:
Kobold Miner x8
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"Life is short. Death is shorter."-- motto of the Halfling Assassin Squad | |
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ShadowLord XT
Commander
2637 Posts
Plane of Shadow
| | 03/29/2006 10:41 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by frogrodeo
I am definitely fearing the Ochre Jelly Tier one band: OJ x4, Red Sam x2, Tiefling Captain: Better known Evil Red Jelly.
That's not as bad as my ultimate Jell-O warband:
Ochre Jelly x10
Grick x2
Muhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah, Fear me! | |
Disipline is the only way to overcome chaos.
Champion of Half-Golems
Knight of Golems
"This world is made for love and peace" - Trigun
"anyway..shadow..you've figured women out. KUDOS." - raye_kino16 | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 10:44 PM |
| | The black hat. | |
Champion of Prit(Wemic vindication is here)
Minneapolis/St. Paul area
Completed trades: Aspect of Cheese (Love that moniker), Tickparasite, Elderthing, Lalato, Sodj, Grimoire, SmilinIrish, Zeb, RWarehall,Link, wikkawikkawa, Auramancer, Rommers, HK, Ivid5,Qillan_dvra, Puggins, Arcabius, Ironfist Boulderbender, Robby, Corim Danex, monster_slayer, DNDJUNKIE, Kelemvor, Krush, ckissee, Massawyrm, hockey fan, Wish, Uninspiring Lieutenant, vtloon x2, Vrecknidj, Darthpoke, WakeXX, AnarionZell, lycusmike, papabear5 and umpteen local trades with board members
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Zaukrie
Underboss
2007 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 10:50 PM |
| 4 things:
1: Our qualifier is early this year so I can't steal good ideas from other qualifiers. That was my saving grace last year.
2: I have hardly played in months and am not playing well when I do.
3: Helmed Horrors
4: I may not play, and may judge, meaning if I go to GenCon I need to play in the grinder if I want to compete in the championships. | |
Fastest dropping DCI ranking on record!
Champion of Juiblex | |
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Prince o the Raven Banner
Sergeant
606 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 1:45 AM |
| I'm a little worried about facing the fearless, 8 Horde Zombie band, they could overwhelm you in round 3.
As this will be my first season with any attempt at being competitive. I'm really looking forward to getting my rear end handed to me on a regular basis. Now that I've decided I'm willing to drive the hour and a half to Raleigh.
I've never faced an old school CE Quad. Now that Wardrummer has them back in vogue, it's the thing I'm contemplating more than anything else. And the HGB is scary run by a good player. | |
Two trades completed!! (Krush,Hides From Hurricanes)
Champion of the Aaracokra
Herald Of Snig Goblin King | |
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elder_basilisk
Sergeant
410 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 1:53 AM |
| | The one that makes me nervous: three iron golems, a man at arms, and a cleric of Yondalla. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5103 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 03/30/2006 2:02 AM |
| | 8 Sages have me quaking in my boots [)] | |
Knight Warlord a.k.a. Commander (#32) in only 6 months. Where's my pie?
Champion of Dwarven Thunderlashers
Knight of the Large Dire Chicken
Have/Want List
Trade References | |
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Temperance
Sergeant
522 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 2:29 AM |
| What scares me?
1. Building a warband that can handle both Hill Giant Barbarians and Helmed Horrors.
2. I judge more than I play, so I'm not a very good player...
3. I'll probably have a Collosal project in the near future which will seriously hamper my skirmish practice time... [)] | |
Champion of the common Flying Monkey (Fez optional)
Peter Lee on the WotC board
BAD WOLF
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 2:37 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by elder_basilisk
The one that makes me nervous: three iron golems, a man at arms, and a cleric of Yondalla.
Heh, That's so crazy I'm tempted to play it once.
R~ | |
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Aravis
Underboss
1155 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 3:22 AM |
| | Trying to make a warband that can destroy Dual Hill Giants as well as deal with everything else fairly well. | |
Welcome to Eternal Crack...
"Corn is no place for a mighty warrior!"
Champion of the Frost Salamander | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3930 Posts
USA
| | 03/30/2006 6:33 AM |
| What scares me -
Dual Hill Giant Barbarians. If somone plays these AND they know what they're diong, ooooh, look out.
Even one with a choice mating piece and Wardrummerboy, is scary.
[:0]
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Sirohk, the Bard of Heartstone
Knight of the Rahshasa's
And Crusader of the Zakya, Ak'chazar, Naztharune, and Naityan Rakshasa's | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3930 Posts
USA
| | 03/30/2006 6:35 AM |
| What scares me -
Dual Hill Giant Barbarians. Could be very dangerous.
Even one is scary with a good pilot, a choice mating piece, and that little drummer boy.
[:0]
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Sirohk, the Bard of Heartstone
Knight of the Rahshasa's
And Crusader of the Zakya, Ak'chazar, Naztharune, and Naityan Rakshasa's | |
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Lord_Raven
Sergeant
391 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 7:44 AM |
| Jesse has shown what the dual HGB can do.
HH's still control the metagame you have to beat them.
Marut is a viaable option.
Not real sure about CG's chances - FB's whirlwinding is nice but will it go the distance?
So the real question is: Who's afraid of the Ulmo, Village Priest, Arcanix Guards... build? I'll tell you who - those with Spell Resistance!
Not real sure what I'm gonna run yet - hopefully whatever it is I win with it!!
I'll see you boys @ Indy.
LR | |
Winter Fantasy, Wardrums Pre-release Champion
**Proud Member of Team Amish!** | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10446 Posts
United States
| | 03/30/2006 8:09 AM |
| In addition to the amusement, there are some good serious posts here. I think it's wise to be worried about some of these things. Let's take a look at what you'll have to be prepared for:
1) Quad Helmed Horrors
2) Two Helmed Horrors, other LE hitters, and a strong commander
3) Dual Hill Giant Barbarians
4) Marut, Couatl, Warforged Bodyguard played well
5) Outlier bands (Archmage, Beholder, Large Red Dragon, Large Silver Dragon)
6) Quad CE with Wardrummer
7) Dual Aspect of Kord band with solid initiatives
Yikes, that's a lot to deal with.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
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elder_basilisk
Sergeant
410 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 10:05 AM |
| Hill giant barbarians mating with anything is scary... and ewww.
quote:
Originally posted by Sirohk
What scares me
Even one with a choice mating piece and Wardrummerboy, is scary.
[:0]
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sienar
Sergeant
640 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 10:52 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Felagund
GFD
Dragonne x3
Fear the low attack bonuses!
(you said to lie, right?) [:)]
Huh. I'd have thought you would say 'Conceal'. It sure has me jittery. Seriously. [B)]
Other than that, I think finding a warband that can handle the gamut is going to be tough. There are so many solid warbands out there, that it will be tough. Yeah, the prospect of finding a warband that is strong against Dual Got Wood and n-Helmed Horrors is tough. | |
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 12:43 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
So, what's got you jittery?
There are no particular bands or figures I fear to face, but there are a few local players who - nice guys though they are - I pray are stricken with explosive diarrhea that morning.
What really freaks me out is if this actually happened and I somehow miraculously won the qualifier by deafult figuting out how in the hell I would get to GenCon to participate. [)]
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Champion of the Gelatinous Cube. Nemesis of Gnomes and Dinosaurs.
Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. ~ Terry Pratchett | |
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RRedlund
Sneak
54 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 12:57 PM |
| | Honestly, I usually don't worry about the bands too much. I'll figure out which band I feel has a good overall chance and which band I seem to pilot the best and that goes with my own playstyle (this matters most to me). Because most of the time, it's not the warband that wins, it's the pilot's strategy. (as long as the warband isn't completely crap). Last year at the Qualifier in NJ, I piloted a Beholder/Gauth Warband and went 4-1 (took 5th and didn't qualify, arghh). I beat 3 Quad CE bands, and lost to 1. The warband I played really wasn't the best warband around at the time, but it fit my playstyle and I knew how to pilot it well. I went to GenCon and played in the Grinder. This time I played CE Triple beater, (Hezrou, Red Samurai, Orc Champ, Cursed Spirit x 2, and Orc Warrior x 6, 11 activations). I felt quite unique since I seemed to be the only person piloting a Hezrou, but there may have been another. I really didn't playtest too much with this since there wasn't much time from the time Angelfire was released and GenCon. But I played with it and went 4-2 (9th place... Double ARGHHH!). Anyway, I guess my point is, play with what you are comfortable with and know how to beat certain warbands. Find a warband that fits your playstyle. I hope to get more playtesting in though before these qualifiers, I'd love to actually qualify this year. | |
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The_Duke
Sneak
158 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 1:43 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Grey Dragon
The ultimate point-denial band:
Kobold Miner x8
[)]
How does that work? If I lose all my creatures, do I lose? What is the condition of losing in this case? | |
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Thespian
Sergeant
442 Posts
Lethbridge, Alberta
| | 03/30/2006 2:06 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
In addition to the amusement, there are some good serious posts here. I think it's wise to be worried about some of these things. Let's take a look at what you'll have to be prepared for:
1) Quad Helmed Horrors
2) Two Helmed Horrors, other LE hitters, and a strong commander
3) Dual Hill Giant Barbarians
4) Marut, Couatl, Warforged Bodyguard played well
5) Outlier bands (Archmage, Beholder, Large Red Dragon, Large Silver Dragon)
6) Quad CE with Wardrummer
7) Dual Aspect of Kord band with solid initiatives
Yikes, that's a lot to deal with.
Dave
Wow....thats a pretty complete list....The only thing that I might add to that is a GAS variant. Unless you consider that an outlier. | |
A wand of silence means never having to say you're sorry.
CHAMPION OF THE ANNIS HAG!!! | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 2:14 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by The_Duke
quote:
Originally posted by Grey Dragon
The ultimate point-denial band:
Kobold Miner x8
[)]
How does that work? If I lose all my creatures, do I lose? What is the condition of losing in this case?
You lose when your opponent gets 200 pts, or when 10 rounds have passed without an attack roll or save roll made. At that point you go to points, whoever has most points wins. If there is a tie in points, you go to the tiebreakers, which, if all 8 Kobolds are elminated, means you will lose. The first tie breaker is closest model to center of map. | |
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forkedmoon
Underboss
1305 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 2:22 PM |
| Has a shuluth band shown itself competent yet?
And my biggest jitters lie in what new maps will be legal.
Antimagic zones so magic weapons go away..
Diefic lighting - no conceal zone
empowered magic zone - spells do ten more damage when cast in this area...
Could really change choices... | |
Champion of Cyclops
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Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss
1085 Posts
Southeast PA
| | 03/30/2006 2:24 PM |
| Worry over getting bad rolls has me more jittery than anything else.
I swept my qualifier last year with strong play and a lot of luck. Now I fear if I don't get the luck in a tough match I'll end with just one loss and not qualify on tiebreakers. To know you played the best you could only to lose a tight game on a single roll and then because of that one loss you don't qualify. That would suck.
The competiton keeps getting better and the warband choices are getting so diverse that it will take a lot of luck to win it all.
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Member of Team Amish
3rd Place in 2007 Constructed World Championship
My combined DDM Skirmish record of all games ever played in all formats.
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RRedlund
Sneak
54 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 3:15 PM |
| Not qualifying due to tiebreakers.... I know how that feels. Chad, you should come playtest with Justin and me one weekend. Either we could come out to you or you could come to us. We've been collaborating quite a bit on what to play.
Actually, Jester's in Northfield is having an all day and night gaming event tomorrow. The D&D minis 200 point constructed trouney starts at 7 and afterwards we might have an epic tourney. Should be fun if you want to join us. | |
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LargeMarmot
Sergeant
463 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 10:04 PM |
| | I still think that war troll has alot of potential. I just hope no one else figures out how to make use of it. | |
Champion of the Tohr-Kreen.
WotDQ Called Shot: Fang Dragon. | |
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Master of the
Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7675 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 03/30/2006 10:53 PM |
| Parity.
There's so much that is competitive, i don't expect to see dominance in one build, or even one faction. CE walked all over the qualifier I was at last year (I think 6/8) This year, there's so much to worry about, I really don't actually worry. Just play what you know, what you can handle well, and that's it. The field is too diverse to "tech" or "counter" one piece. | |
Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
"Rejoice, for bad things are about to happen." | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10446 Posts
United States
| | 03/31/2006 7:56 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Chad the DragonLordofAiur
I swept my qualifier last year with strong play and a lot of luck. Now I fear if I don't get the luck in a tough match I'll end with just one loss and not qualify on tiebreakers. To know you played the best you could only to lose a tight game on a single roll and then because of that one loss you don't qualify. That would suck.
It happened to me twice. And you're right, it sucks.
[)]
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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